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A heartfelt apology (OT, political)
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Pat Drnec - 22 Feb 2006 17:49 GMT February 22, 2006 By Nancy Greggs
As I watched Harry Whittington speak last week, I was struck by his heartfelt apology to Dick Cheney and the Cheney family for the trouble he had caused by so thoughtlessly being severely injured. You see, I was raised in a time, apparently now long gone, when victims were on the receiving end of an apology - especially in those rare instances when they had been on the receiving end of a face full of birdshot.
It made me realize how outdated my upbringing has become, and how discourteous I and my fellow Americans have been in the last few years, in light of the new polit-etiquette that is obviously now the norm in our beloved nation.
That being said, may I offer the following apologies to our Dear Leaders on behalf of myself and my countrymen:
We, the People, humbly apologize for your having to spy on us. Were we not such an unruly mob, clinging to outdated notions like freedom and democracy, this course of action, albeit illegal, would never have been necessary. One can only imagine the vast expense we have put you to in your efforts to keep America safe, one warrantless wiretap at a time. In future, I would urge every citizen to whisper a humble mea culpa at least once in each phone conversation, each letter, each email, just to let those listening in know we have finally seen the error of our ways.
We, the parents who have had children killed or wounded in Iraq, beg forgiveness for their foolish inability to avoid meandering into the line of fire, and our own infantile whining about the lack of body armour necessary to keep them safe as they fight for this Noble Cause. We also sincerely apologize for continuing to ask exactly what that Noble Cause might be, and why the justifications for its pursuit constantly change. Most importantly, we are sorry for the financial burden we have placed on all of you by way of medical treatment for our erstwhile offspring, as well as the cost of shipping their remains back to us for burial.
We, the victims of Katrina, who have lost our homes, our jobs, and our family members, humbly beg your pardon for expecting aid when we needed it most. In the aftermath, we realize how selfish we were to ask for assistance at a time when those in charge had other priorities to consider. We are truly sorry that we interrupted dinner arrangements, shopping sprees, Broadway show attendances and vacation plans. As for the dollar value of those FEMA trailers that have been left to rust in Arkansas, if we are ever fortunate enough to have a home address again, I think it's only fair that you mail us the bill.
We, the workers, who have had our jobs outsourced, are sorry to have complained so bitterly. In our selfishness, we have failed to consider that the CEOs and shareholders of major corporations have a right to enjoy windfall profits, and should not be expected to reward the hard work of the employees who made them profitable in the first place.
Those of us still lucky enough to be part of the dwindling American workforce should gratefully accept our unfair share of the tax burden, instead of constantly harping on the fact that our tax dollars end up in the pockets of the already wealthy, and instead of pointing the finger at Big Oil and Big Business, who have somehow earned the right to not pay any taxes at all. We are collectively ashamed of ourselves in this regard.
We, the citizenry, who have expected ethical behaviour on the part of our elected representatives, apologize for demanding investigations into bribe-taking, and the occasional mis-use of public funds. We now understand that times are tough for everyone, and a little cash-on-the-side is sometimes necessary for our trusted officials to make ends meet.
We, the sick, who have lost our health care coverage, and the elderly who have lost our access to prescription drugs, ask forgiveness for our self-centered concerns. We beg the pardon of Big Pharma for endlessly complaining about their well-deserved exorbitant profits. We can only imagine the hell we've put their families through. How many times have we cast an unpleasant pall on their European vacations, their birthday celebrations on private yachts, the housewarming parties at their newest mansion, with our constant carping about needing life-saving medical treatment? Honestly, I don't know what we were thinking.
We, the voters, who have expressed outrage over our elections being manipulated, beg forgiveness from companies like Diebold, who have worked tirelessly to ensure that the right people wind up in office, whether we had the foresight to vote for them or not.
We, the masses, who have held on too long to outmoded ideals like freedom of speech, who have clung too tightly to the concepts set out in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, apologize for our stubbornness and inability to acclimate ourselves to a country finally emancipated from such foolishness.
We, the citizens, who have protested the circumventing of our own statutes as well as international treaties, contritely beg the forgiveness of those who have so wisely dismissed the quaint, outdated tradition of the rule of law.
We, the bleeding-hearts, who have demonstrated against those in power for torturing our fellow human beings in our country's name, beg your pardon for our misguided belief in such old fashioned ideas as justice and the humane treatment of others, and apologize for our failure to accept without question the wisdom of those good Christians whom God has apparently placed above such petty concerns.
And lastly, we the People humbly beg the pardon of the President and this Administration for questioning their inalienable right to jeopardize national security by revealing the identity of covert operatives for political purposes, to enrich their friends and themselves by way of no-bid contracts to corporations in which they hold shares, to lie to us, steal from us, mislead us into war, and to tell us all to go to hell if we don't like it. That's the kind of leadership we should praise, not berate.
We hope you will accept our abject apology for all of the above. Our behaviour has been childish and inexcusable. It's enough to make Mrs. Alito cry.
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South Ga. 62 Cruiser - 22 Feb 2006 17:57 GMT Time to stir the pot?
Dave Milelr
midlant@earthlink.net - 22 Feb 2006 18:26 GMT I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to kill GW Bush at this time.
It must be something personal - from long ago.
Karl
Lee Aanderud - 22 Feb 2006 18:30 GMT I believe that first comment may have just got you on some sort of list you don't necessarily want to be on.
Lee
>I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to kill GW Bush at > this time. > > It must be something personal - from long ago. > > Karl midlant@earthlink.net - 22 Feb 2006 20:01 GMT I don't know why, Lee. Those in charge of checking me out are liable to have come to the same conclusion as I have.
I'm against assination as a way of doing things and where the replacement is much of the same mindset, there could be no political motive. Should the VP die, there might be a cause to worry. (This follows the old Nixon / Agnew theory,)
(I'm against the death penality as too many guilty ones stay / get free because of it.)
Give a lot of though to what I've said and you may find that you agree with me.
(But don't say it or "they" will be after you, if they aren't already.)
Mr X
Pat Drnec - 22 Feb 2006 19:30 GMT No idea what that's in response to - things are lovely since I configured the new 'puter, updating the killfile. Sounds like others need to do the same - as I recall, I'm careful to label OT. I figure that when something is labeled as hot, anyone who picks it up is kind of an a-hole.
> I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to kill GW Bush at > this time. > > It must be something personal - from long ago. > > Karl
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Gordon Richmond - 23 Feb 2006 01:04 GMT Gee, Pat. Even I think you were trolling in this instance.
This brouhaha had about died a natural death, and you had to go poking the ashes.
If you really thought that column was funny/whatever, why not simply post a link to it, under the header "funny column about Cheney, OT"
Then those who might be inclined to find humour in such a situation could get their jollies, and the rest of us would be spared the experience. I tend to open all the posts in the NG, but I rarely follow links, unless they are of real interest to me.
Maybe you should have posted that in alt.humor.lame <G>
Gord Richmond
Ron Butts - 23 Feb 2006 01:08 GMT Well stated, Gordon.
> Gee, Pat. Even I think you were trolling in this instance. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gord Richmond Pat Drnec - 23 Feb 2006 01:28 GMT Probably because it wasn't about Cheney, and it wasn't humorous. It was a concise litany of the abuses BushCo has heaped on the heads of Americans. I sure wasn't laughing when I read it, and can't comprehend anyone who was.
Let me reiterate: it was clearly labeled OT - Political. Anybody who's been here a while knows my views - why would anyone complain about what was in that post, unless the subject matter was irrefutable and pointed out the obvious about anyone who continues to support the criminals in the administration? Come to think of it, there has not been one comment about it's content, no denials of any of the stated truths. I find that kinda telling, don't you?
> Gee, Pat. Even I think you were trolling in this instance. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gord Richmond
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jimandkathiekrise - 23 Feb 2006 02:57 GMT Ut-oh, here come those helicopters again. Personally, I come to the Studebaker come because of all the love and warmth here.
Not because of the politics.
jim
> Probably because it wasn't about Cheney, and it wasn't humorous. It was a > concise litany of the abuses BushCo has heaped on the heads of Americans. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Gord Richmond Lee Aanderud - 23 Feb 2006 03:17 GMT You know that they're still working on "whisper mode" like in Blue Thunder, but it's not quite there yet. They figure it'll have to be a whole main and tail rotor blade redesign... the blade tip speeds will have to be slowed down to subsonic. Just thought I'd throw that in for the paranoid... one day not only will you not see them, you may not hear them as they're hovering over your house.
Lee
> Ut-oh, here come those helicopters again. Gordon Richmond - 23 Feb 2006 03:29 GMT Then why the F**K post it here, then?
That's trolling, just as much as the "other" side does from time to time.
If I want a fix of political ranting, I know where to look for it.
Let's all try to stick to topics germane to the newsgroup.
Please.
Gord Richmond
Dave's Place www.davesplaceinc.com - 23 Feb 2006 03:46 GMT >Let's all try to stick to topics germane to the newsgroup. Main Entry: ger·mane Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English germain, literally, having the same parents, from Middle French 1 obsolete : closely akin 2 : being at once relevant and appropriate : FITTING <omit details that are not germane to the discussion> synonym see RELEVANT - ger·mane·ly adverb
Pat Drnec - 23 Feb 2006 18:00 GMT Maybe I'd feel a little better about it if the 'other side' got slammed even once. Not the way it works, though - OT stuff is fine as ling as it's approved by Fox. Fine, I'll take a break - now back to the regularly scheduled Clinton bashing.
> Then why the F**K post it here, then? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond
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Bigbob62 - 23 Feb 2006 18:12 GMT And yet you continue to post political crap like that...knowing it's gonna start a sh*tstorm.
You enjoy punching Lee's buttons as much as he likes pushing yours, but why do the rest of us have to suffer through it?
Take it to email or join a politcal newsgroup and argue until you're both blue in the face...but leave us out of it.
At least my arguments concern cars...and coffee!! <boseg>
Bob
Grumpy AuContraire - 23 Feb 2006 18:40 GMT > And yet you continue to post political crap like that...knowing it's > gonna start a sh*tstorm. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bob Hmmmmm
JT
(Who only drinks 100% Colombian...)
midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Feb 2006 23:18 GMT I think that itall stems from the BS coming out of Washington. For example. let's take a look at the group that is one our side. Iraquis (including Kurds), who ave lost countless fighters as well as innocent victims, the US forces that have lost 2500 fighters, Brits, who hit 100 yjis month, and a few others who have lost ten or s That Washington can imply that this is a multi-member team and expeect to believe it is linacy.
Had we offered the original builders of the infrastucture (France and Germany) a "piece of the action in rebuilding Iraq, they probably would have taken care of it and guarded their own forces. Instead, it looked like a chance to spread $$$ to FoW contractors. With that image, they must have let us dig our own grave.
Now that we are several feet along to doing so, many of us have, reluctantly, come to the conclusion that I did long ago - let's get in there and act like we mean to win. (You may recall my messages referring to the USMC O5 USNI article regarding por gain defeat in 'Nam.)
I, basically, have no faith in the folks running this nation. I think that I would rather have former US Rep "Duke" Cunningham running the show, now that he has learned his lesson. He won't be available, though. he will probably start his 5 - 7 years at the end of the month. At least he knew what e was doing.
Off my soapbox. Karl
All those with full faith in the present administration can now state so. (I'll be warming up the printer.)
Barry - 24 Feb 2006 04:48 GMT No takers - from either side of the aisle. Bush & his gaggle of neo-con crooks have been as much of a disappointment to patriots as they have been to liberals. Prior to Bush's election, I predicted that after 4, or heaven forbid, 8 years in office, the biggest difference we would be able to see between him & Clinton would be that he(Bush) kept his zipper up in public. Frankly, America was better off with the administration & Congress controlled by different parties.
> I think that itall stems from the BS coming out of Washington. > For example. let's take a look at the group that is one our side. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > so. > (I'll be warming up the printer.) Dave's Place www.davesplaceinc.com - 23 Feb 2006 03:42 GMT >Come to think of it, there has not been one comment >about it's content, no denials of any of the stated truths. I find that >kinda telling, don't you? I can not comfirm, and I certainly can not deny!
Dave
Nate Nagel - 22 Feb 2006 22:48 GMT > I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to kill GW Bush at > this time. > > It must be something personal - from long ago. > > Karl Nah, he's safe. He's got his vice presidential life insurance policy.
nate
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midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Feb 2006 06:34 GMT Auto related response: Editorial cartoon in right of center (until recently?) SD U-T George Bush is saying to the press, as he gets into a "jelly-bean" car, "And now I will drive this wonderful low-poltuion, high mailage...." Off in the distance is a fat fellow, bald with wire rimmed glasses, running to catch up, shouting, "Shotgun."
Karl
> > I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to kill GW Bush at > > this time. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel John Poulos - 22 Feb 2006 19:54 GMT I was hoping for at least a week off.
> Time to stir the pot? > > Dave Milelr
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Rob Stokes - 23 Feb 2006 06:45 GMT This is getting a little tiring
Rob
> I was hoping for at least a week off. > >> Time to stir the pot? >> >> Dave Milelr
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Lee Aanderud - 22 Feb 2006 22:37 GMT Pat's clown sh.t gets deeper and deeper, I guess he's going full time in the Red Bullshit business. I'd be surprised to hear Pat's left leg wasn't shorter than his right the way everything is slanted left in his world.
Of course, in Pat's mind altered world Dick Cheney never apologized, never took responsibility for the accident and Cheney actually called Harry a pussy and to get up and walk it off.
Lee
> February 22, 2006 > By Nancy Greggs [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > behaviour has been childish and inexcusable. It's enough to make Mrs. > Alito cry. Barry - 24 Feb 2006 15:39 GMT Pat's agenda is no secret, but GW sure gives his detractors a lot of ammo. Re: N.O.:Pat &friends on the left coast seem to have forgotten JFK's words as they think that the govt. exists to solve their problems. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" is not very popular with Democrats now-days. They are too busy demanding new services & special privileges from a nanny-state govt. at their neighbors' expanse. Ok, enough trolling- I'm going over to my storage lot to remove some Stude parts before it rains. Barry
> Pat's clown sh.t gets deeper and deeper, I guess he's going full time in the > Red Bullshit business. I'd be surprised to hear Pat's left leg wasn't [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] > > 2002 Jeep Overland > > http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html The Other Dave - 23 Feb 2006 06:23 GMT I drove my Studebaker yesterday.
> February 22, 2006 > By Nancy Greggs [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > behaviour has been childish and inexcusable. It's enough to make Mrs. > Alito cry.
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