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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / March 2006Sticker Price fun
Just for grins I searched the local Dodge dealers web site for Dodge Magnums. I got all excited with the 23K sticker on the base Magnum, but kept scanning down the inventory list until I hit a loaded SRT 8 Hemi. It was my dream car, but the sticker came up to 44K ! I don't recall that kind of price spread back when shopping for a new Studebaker GT Hawk, but then I could not order $4000 worth of electronics.  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 Daytona convert. 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 53 coupe rod. Reminds me of my first brand new car. 1973 Gremlin (stop laffing).....base price for a 6 was around $1895.....I ordered everything they had but the luggage rack and got it up to $3600+, ie the options cost almost as much as the car. Still have my '92 Jeep Wrangler......base was $9995, with options it was $17,800. BTW, I traded the '73 Gremlin for a new '74 MGB - thought it would be safer than that miserable AMC deathtrap. Jim C. whoa whoa there........... besides my 53 starliner my "other" is a 76 Pacer.......easy on the AMC ........ :-) :-) Stuuder 53Stude HT 76AMC Pacer 96 Plymouth Neon ACR 91 Maxima 91Camry 4WD 90Camry parts car 89 John Deere 318 :-) :-) > Reminds me of my first brand new car. 1973 Gremlin (stop > laffing).....base price for a 6 was around $1895.....I ordered [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > See if you can get the road test report from Autocar (British magazine). It's of some historical value. Worst car they ever tested, and they had been in business since 18xx. Karl (The oversize door on the "wrong" side may have had something to do with it, but not much.) I didn't know there were any Pacers left on earth or anywhere else. My wife and I looked at them before buying a 77 Mercury Bobcat wagon. Still a mistake. Only got 18 mpg on the highway. My Chevy Caprice with 120,00 miles gets better mileage than that. Henry > See if you can get the road test report from Autocar (British > magazine). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (The oversize door on the "wrong" side may have had something to do > with it, but not much.) I suspect there are more than a few AMC Pacer fans in SDC. Clell Ballard in Idaho is one of them; the fellow who has written various military 6X6 articles for Turning Wheels. Clell still owns the 1977 (or 1978?) Pacer Wagon that I think he bought new. Indeed, the ONLY new CAR I ever bought WAS a 1975 Pacer, ordered with overdrive for shades of old Studebakering in a new package. 'Only kept it about two years and then sent it along, but really enjoyed it.. In late 2005, a photo ad showed up in our local ad paper for a derilect old '75 Pacer that had been sitting on a farm about 80 miles away for "about 3 years since it last ran," according to the older lady that answered the phone when I called. I grilled her heavily on the car and, yes, IT WAS MY OLD CAR I bought new! 'No doubt about it: I had ordered it with such an unusual package of options and color that was so unique I know it was never duplicated. One of these days, I'll have to make it a point to get up that way and see what is left of it. It sure looked raggedy in the little photo, and they only wanted $300 for it, OBO, "ready to be restored!" Make fun of them if you will, but anybody who ever DROVE an AMC Pacer loved it; they really did drive "bigger" than their small-car contemporaries. And it was enormously successful for AMC; the only new car they ever introduced that sold over 100,000 copies in its first calendar year out. BP >I suspect there are more than a few AMC Pacer fans in SDC. > Make fun of them if you will, but anybody who ever DROVE an AMC Pacer > loved it; they really did drive "bigger" than their small-car > contemporaries. And it was enormously successful for AMC; the only new > car they ever introduced that sold over 100,000 copies in its first > calendar year out. BP Bob. The 'best' Pacer in my opinion is the 1979 Limited in station wagon form. With the Matador being discontinued, the Pacer Limited became by default AMC's flagship. The interior was the nicest ever with leather seats, and much better upholstered door panels with those rather interesting loop type grab handles above the window line. (since the windows didn't lower all the way with that low beltline), and doing away with those ugly & cheap vaccuum formed plastic panels. Not to mention, a lot of creature-comfort option were now available such as power windows and locks. I would chose 1979 over 1980 since that was the last year of a V8. If I was in a car buying position in 1979, I would have chosen a Pacer Limited wagon in black (with the fake woodgrain deleted), dark red interior, and those Turbo-cast wheels that were an option that year. Craig. and to bring the thread back to Studes......my Mom bought one of the first '62 GT Hawks in our area.....for the life of me I can't remember the price, but the dealer knocked a LOT off sticker The GT had auto, radio, rear speak, tinted, TT, power steering & brakes., and eversplit upholstery. I can remember it actually drew crowds when we got it.....people would ask what it was, where could they get one. We'd say it's the new Studebaker, and they say Aaaawwww, and shuffle away. so here's the scary part: we got $150 for it trade in on a'65 Riviera.....course the Hawk had disintegrated a couple times by then. And yes, we got the nasty letter from Ford "of special interest to Studebaker owners", and that turned Mom off Ford products forever. I rented one, once. I can't say what Studebaker I had, but it was probably my '64 SuperHawk. That may have made it feel like a POS, so my judgement was probably clouded. Karl > Reminds me of my first brand new car. 1973 Gremlin (stop > laffing).....base price for a 6 was around $1895.....I ordered [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jim C. I liked my '76 Gremlin... 258 two barrel, auto and handy for carrying stuff... JT (Who bought it for $300 in 1984 and ran the snot out of it for 5 years) Maybe not those prices, but if you option out 56 Hawk you could add another $ 900 PLUS im options. If you look at the pice of cars and the rate that they have climbed like everything else you wil see that the prices have risen in proportion like everything else. However, there are items that have gotton cheaper. In the 50's a TV set was $900 if you bought a Magnavox with a AM/FM radio and turntable. If that inflated at the same rate, it would cost about $4500 today. A Hawk fully tricked out with every option would go to $4600, which would be $35000 today. When my house was built in 1959 it was $27000, we paid $96,000 in 1979 and now, without any repairs or improvements its valued at $ 765,000 to $810.000 depending how greedy the realator is. In 1962 it cost $ .25 cents to go over the Whitestone or Throggs Neck Bridges, now its $ 4.00 each way. Bottom line we forget how prices have inflated. BG > I don't recall that kind of price spread back when shopping for a new > Studebaker GT Hawk, but then I could not order $4000 worth of electronics. In the 50's a TV set was $900 if you bought a Magnavox with a AM/FM radio and turntable. If that inflated at the same rate, it would cost about $4500 today. --This one always gets me. OK, let's take the second-to-largest screen available from the manufacturer (maybe 25 inch in late 50's, at least 61 inch LCD now). Then add the newest access to the newest audio source (FM morphs to satellite or podcast), and a state-of-the-art, highest fidelity on the market player of the most accepted recording medium (Garrard model T=McIntosh audio DVD, plus amplifier components). That adds up to well over 30K. OTOH, you could get really good 1950's entertainment for about 50 bucks, from Hallicrafters. For a hundred or so more, you could practice up on your Morse code and get onto the world-wide web. If you wanted video entertainment, you had a film projector. People who bought those furniture-grade consoles were paying for the impression that unit made on guests, and wowing the rubes is as expensive now as it has ever been. That's what makes it impressive. Here's the deal-killer over at CircuitCity: all those 50's Magnavoxes and Halli's were made, well, guess where. Price THAT out. And they were repairable. I sorta grew up in a TV shop, Dad made an good living at fixing TVs until the rise of Asia and integrated circuits. Then they became disposable, and almost non-repairable. Even if you could get schematics and parts, it was almost always cheaper to buy a new one. Everything is following the Toaster/TV/Cell Phone route, use it for two, maybe three years and then throw it away Now comes the greatest gimme in U.S. History, HDTV. Nahh, I'll keep acquiring what can be fixed, and fixing it. p.d. > In the 50's a TV set was $900 if you bought a Magnavox with > a AM/FM radio and turntable. If that inflated at the same rate, it would [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Here's the deal-killer over at CircuitCity: all those 50's Magnavoxes and > Halli's were made, well, guess where. Price THAT out. SignatureWTF is Oujdeivß? http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3762&version=kjv to contact me try Oudeis via softhome.net I'm not adverse to HDTV, I built my own HDTV Projector and HDTV PVR from a pair of discarded HIGH END broken LCD monitors (panel from one, and controller parts from both) a discarded overhead projector, some projector bulbs, some electrical bits, some wood, some paint, total cost was about $225.00 for a 1080p capable projector :) including the reflective material for the screen. The projector is driven by an old PC with a HDTV capture card, even if I add that into the equation, It's still cheaper then a real projector and a HDTV decoder (that gives me no PVR). PVR = Personal Video Recorder = Tivo p.d. > And they were repairable. > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> and >> Halli's were made, well, guess where. Price THAT out. SignatureWTF is Oujdeivß? http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3762&version=kjv to contact me try Oudeis via softhome.net |
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