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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / March 2006R1 = Andy Granatelli (New Stude History!) <link>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Cruiser-1964-Studebaker-Cruiser-R1-Ava nti-Powered-Granatelli_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQitemZ4626969659QQrdZ1 If every production order with R1 on it directed the car to Andy Granatelli, he must have been one very busy man! What did he DO with all those cars? <G> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Cruiser-1964-Studebaker-Cruiser-R1-Ava nti-Powered-Granatelli_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQitemZ4626969659QQrdZ1 > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** Sometimes if you dont know, its easy to invent stuff<G> Looks like a Chrysler thermal - quad carb. on it ? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Cruiser-1964-Studebaker-Cruiser-R1 -Avanti-Powered-Granatelli_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQitemZ4626969659Q QrdZ1 > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** > Sometimes if you dont know, its easy to invent stuff<G> Isn't that an R4 badge on it? Richard Lawler '57 1/2 ton Transtar '51 2dr Champion It IS interesting that it is an R1 (supposedly) but the air cleaner is wrong, I see no crank case breather and it is running a 'service block'. Hell, it's not even STAMPED as an R1 that is supposed to be in there. >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Cruiser-1964-Studebaker-Cruiser-R1-Ava nti-Powered-Granatelli_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQitemZ4626969659QQrdZ1 >> >> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** >Sometimes if you dont know, its easy to invent stuff<G> Why do you say it's a service block; the tag, that's bolted on? It obscures the first part of the engine serial #. There could be a "JT" under there. What shows, indicates an engine made in early August, '63; correct for the '64 model year. That's an AFB carb. It looks right, for an R1. Both fender badges can be read, in the pictures. They say "R1". The car is a 4 speed. By the brake booster, and single master, I would expect disc brakes, too. That's a very interesting car. It would be very odd, to try keeping the bidding down by bad mouthing it here. That would insult the intelligence of a group of Stude enthusiasts. Mike M. Instead of insulting the people here with your implications about keeping the bidding down, why don't you simply ask the seller to provide more information...especially where he got the fact that any build order marked "RI" was a code to ship to Andy Granatelli? It's probably something he was told by the guy he bought it from. We all know how people take things like that as "gospel"...especially if it makes the car sound better when they talk about it. Who wants to buy a car shipped to Rhode Island when new?? Bob (who cares...it's a 4-door for Gawd's sake!) <BEG> I insulted some of the people here by implying they were trying to keep the bidding down; AND I asked the seller to send me a copy of the build sheet, or post it with the ad! He replied that he would, and was trying to locate it. I think he meant he would send me a copy, maybe. I also took a quick look through my copies of "Jet Thrust News". There's an old list of "Marshal", police cars in the Spring '99 issue. It's not on there; but 64V 1791 had engine JT H 312. The combination of 64V 1331 and engine JT H 313 is, at least, plausible. I just dismissed the Andy Granatelli bit. Who knows where stuff like that comes from; Andy maybe? Mike M. > Instead of insulting the people here with your implications about > keeping the bidding down, why don't you simply ask the seller to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bob (who cares...it's a 4-door for Gawd's sake!) <BEG> Look closer at the engine number... PH313, look at the shot of the power steering ram... no Avanti type damper, look at the interior shot... if it was a factory 4-speed, it would have a curved handle or bucket seats. The seat would not have the corner 'hacked away' to make shifter clearance. The more I look at this car, the more obvious it becomes that this is definitely NOT what it is supposed to be. > I insulted some of the people here by implying they were trying to keep >the bidding down; AND I asked the seller to send me a copy of the build [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Bob (who cares...it's a 4-door for Gawd's sake!) <BEG> Lee, it sounds like you've made up your mind. It was really the battery with the carrying handle and the "Studebaker" sticker that did it, I bet! I'm still waiting for the build sheet. That does look like a "P", in front of the rest of the engine #; which would indicate a garden variety 289. By "damper" do you mean the harmonic balancer, which I can't see at all; or the power steering ram? I don't understand. I've never seen a four door bench seat, with a four speed. I've seen custom made bench seats with cutouts like this one. Mike M. Mike: Bench-seat cars with four speeds have a unique dog-leg shifter that is rarely seen, but nonetheless very real. 1964 Daytona 4-door #64V11104 is rusting down further about 30 miles west of me in Crawfordsville IN right now. It is a factory R1/4-speed car with its original drivetrain completely intact. Although it has individually-adjustable front seats, not buckets, it still has one of those unique dog-leg shifters. BP As far as I am concerned, yes, I have made up my mind. With a NON JT engine number, hacked seat for the 4-speed and too many R-series parts that missing that made my mind up. Look at picture #7 when you supersize them. You can clearly see the damper and the power steering assist ram in that shot. > Lee, it sounds like you've made up your mind. It was really the battery >with the carrying handle and the "Studebaker" sticker that did it, I bet! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >custom made bench seats with cutouts like this one. > Mike M. That is the wrong air cleaner for an R1. I don't see any of the PCV system I would expect. The vent stack from the oil pan may be just out of sight. Would this air cleaner even have a connection for the large hose to the stack? The sediment bowl / fuel filter, that should be on a "JT" engine isn't there, either. The filter in place is like the one used on early Avanti's. I've seen other cars modified the same way. Mike M. I'd be interested in knowing if 64v1331 is listed as a Jet Thrust car... The air cleaner for an R1 would be the big diameter flat chrome job that is on the R1 Avanti, the crank case breather would run up to the bottom of it. If the "JT" fuel filter is missing, the return hose to the tank has also been removed from the engine bay. I also see no evidence of traction bars or rear sway (yeah, I know, it may not be a full package car). It does have a service block tag and the "H" stamped on the engine number does not look correct. I'm not trying to run the car down as it looks like a nice, solid '64 Cruiser but, other than the chrome valve covers, it looks just like my '64 Cruiser did. He says he has the original build sheet... I'd like to see a copy of that before bidding is all. There are enough scam cars on e-Bay that I have just become cautious. It is simply best to document everything before jumping and bidding. > That is the wrong air cleaner for an R1. I don't see any of the PCV >system I would expect. The vent stack from the oil pan may be just out of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've seen other cars modified the same way. > Mike M. > I'd be interested in knowing if 64v1331 is listed as a Jet Thrust > car... > He says he has the original build sheet... I'd like to see a copy of > that before bidding is all. There are enough scam cars on e-Bay that > I have just become cautious. It is simply best to document everything > before jumping and bidding. My thoughts, too, if I was to make a serious bid on it. I'd like to see the copy of the build sheet as well including verification of the serial and engine numbers. I don't believe its a full package car, either, noticing it has a clock instead of the mandatory tach. It is still an interesting car, none-the-less. Any 4 door sedan made in North America with a factory 4-speed on the floor in those years are very rare. Craig The seller has sent me a copy of the build sheet; as he said he would. I see he offers to do the same now, in the ad, for interested parties. It's a little dark, but readable. "R1" or "RI" appears only in the ship via box. It reads: "59 NYC C&Q DENVER R1 DUBAN CON" Destination was Denver 11 Colo. The engine was ser. # P H313, as stamped on it now . Transmission was originally a Flight o matic. The seat was "43 INDIVIDUAL RECLINING SEAT", with "47A RIGHT HEAD REST". The car had disc Brakes, a 4bbl carb, and Twin traction. Mike M. Thanks for the additional info, Mike. > The seller has sent me a copy of the build sheet; as he said he would. I >see he offers to do the same now, in the ad, for interested parties. It's a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mike M. ....and if you had to have a '64 Cruiser, the other one (the white one in Cleveland that closes Friday) sure looks like a nice straight car......both cars listed as having the same mileage, but compare the interiors! You can glue your own R1 badges on it......maybe sign Andy's name on the hood! |
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