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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006oil filter prices
Had been paying NAPA over $11.00 for a #1006 oil filter for the 259 in my '55 President. Was in a Farm Supply store yesterday and bought a Fram C-4 for $7.06 with the tax. This should appeal to you tight-wad Studebaker types. Funny, pay premium money for synthetic oil and then use a cheap filter; go figure?? > Had been paying NAPA over $11.00 for a #1006 oil filter for the 259 in my > '55 President. Was in a Farm Supply store yesterday and bought a Fram C-4 > for $7.06 with the tax. This should appeal to you tight-wad Studebaker > types. Funny, pay premium money for synthetic oil and then use a cheap > filter; go figure?? I was selling purolator stude filters for $5.00 and the CMF's were whining. The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50  SignatureDave Miller, South Ga. S.D.C. www.georgiastudebaker.com > Had been paying NAPA over $11.00 for a #1006 oil filter for the 259 in my > '55 President. Was in a Farm Supply store yesterday and bought a Fram C-4 > for $7.06 with the tax. This should appeal to you tight-wad Studebaker > types. Funny, pay premium money for synthetic oil and then use a cheap > filter; go figure?? > The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 I use Wal-Mart filters and oil for a little over 2 bucks for filter and little over a buck a quart for oil. some people say they are junk. Well they may be right cause I just changed the oil in my 150,000 Subaru and it was 1/2 quart low after 3,000 miles since last oil and filter change. BTW I use it in my Studebaker, Harley Davidson and new Crown Vic. I have put over 150,000 miles on several vehicles over the past 15 years with the cheap Wal-Mart filters and oil. Never had a failure. Why would anyone use expensive synthetic oil and not change for 15,000? It has to be nasty after that time. > > The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > anyone use expensive synthetic oil and not change for 15,000? It has to > be nasty after that time. Hi, The oil companies love people who think they have to change modern oils every 3000 miles. As far as using inexpensive WalMart oil, as long as it has the latest API rating such as "SM" on the bottle it is fine for modern vehicles. An exception to this might be your Studebaker with flat tappets. Modern "SM" oil may not contain enough Zinc Dithiophosphate (ZNDTP) to properly lubricate the cam and lifter surfaces long term. This is especially true if one is running stiff valve springs. As far as synthetics go, they are a superior product with some, such as Amsoil and Mobil 1, being better than most others. I personally use them to save the labor of changing oil every 3000 - 7000 miles in the 8 vehicles I keep road worthy. Amsoil has a product that they recommend changing once per year or every 25,000 miles and another product they say to change every 35,000 miles. The secret is good filtration. The oil will not break down and their superior additive package will last more than a year , but you must use a good filter and you should change it every 12,000 miles. By doing that, the expensive synthetics, as you say, become cost effective and less expensive than WalMart oil changed every 3000 miles. Not to mention the savings of labor and resources. Jack > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- >>>The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >>----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- cost effective and less expensive than WalMart oil changed every 3000 > miles. Not to mention the savings of labor and resources. To each his own. My oil at 3000 miles is going to get drained along with all the contaminants with it and filter changed. No one can ever convince me that leaving that dirt in there is good. Even when you run synthetic, dirt still enters through the air filter and by product from combustion and that still gets in oil, even synthetic. So, the filter catches it. Now you have oil going through a dirty filter. I very well could be wrong, but it makes me fell good to get it all out. BTW I said expensive synthetics because as I said above, I would still change at 3000 miles to get the dirt out. That would be expensive. > To each his own. My oil at 3000 miles is going to get drained along with > all the contaminants with it and filter changed. No one can ever convince [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > because as I said above, I would still change at 3000 miles to get the > dirt out. That would be expensive. Not arguing with you (I change every 3,000 miles too), but I remember a rural mail carrier that we knew who never changed oil, just changed the filter periodically. He ran his can his cars about 100,000 a year and traded them every two or three years. Paul Johnson >>To each his own. My oil at 3000 miles is going to get drained along with >>all the contaminants with it and filter changed. No one can ever convince [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > traded them every two or three years. > Paul Johnson Paul, I've heard of of people doing that and it was always on cars that were driven many miles a year. I would go along with never changing oil much quicker than changing oil at 25,000 miles or even 15,000 miles as long as a new filter was put in every 2 to 3,000 miles. Sounds like farmers I knew back in ND who traded pickups every 2-3 years. When the truck was traded in, it still had the original oil filter that was put on at the factory and never washed or vacuumed out. Lee > I've heard of of people doing that and it was always on cars that were > driven many miles a year. I would go along with never changing oil much > quicker than changing oil at 25,000 miles or even 15,000 miles as long as > a new filter was put in every 2 to 3,000 miles. > >>>The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 > >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > expensive synthetics because as I said above, I would still change at > 3000 miles to get the dirt out. That would be expensive. Yes old habits are hard to break. You are correct, contaminants do get into the oil in the ways you mentioned. That's why I said that much hinges on the filter's ability to trap and HOLD the contaminants until the filter is changed. Personally, as I get older, I enjoy crawling under a car for an oil change less and less and get a certain peace of mind by using Amsoil and knowing the engine is protected for at least a year. It also saves me the chore of oil disposal from many changes. The majic 3000 mile figure has been drilled into us by oil companies looking to sell more oil for years and after all, that's what our fathers did and told us to do - right. He also listened to 78 and 33 rpm records on his Zenith Cobramatic and RCA Victrola. I'll take technology and listen to CDs and watch DVDs. Even the 1965 Studebaker owners manual suggests oil changes at 6,000 mile intervals. Like the man says, to each his own. All this hi tech talk and I still drive Studebakers daily??? Somehow it seems fitting and appeals to my sense of diversity. Jack > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- I don' think it's the oil companies, but the dealers! (I know I work for one) <G> But, the service writers are ALL paid on commission, and with the warranties being better, there is NOT much service work! I haven't looked, but I think the owners manual on my 05 Grand Caravan indicates 5000 miles. So, who came up with the 3K oil change? And since oils are better then they were 40 years ago, shouldn't the oil change interval be longer? We had a maintenance worker at the Indianapolis Chrysler Foundry, that had a Durango with 38K on the clock and never changed his oil! Of course, it was in the service dept. for an engine! <G> Maybe HE is the reason Chrysler shut the foundry down! <G> (actually it was the city and their "new" epa laws) I have changed the oil on my Caravan every 3k, and I also change the oil on my 52 about every 3K too. The 62 500 Festival Car Clone, has had 2 oil changes already, and probably only has about 25 miles on it tops! Jim Turner > I don' think it's the oil companies, but the dealers! > (I know I work for one) <G> But, the service writers are ALL paid on [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jim Turner It's hard to break those old habits! I got away from the 3000 mile oil changes over 10 years ago. I pull oil samples and that is the only way you truly know if oil change is needed. I just pulled them on both my Dodge 2500 diesel (23,000 miles on oil and 130,000 on truck) and my 4runner (30,500 miles on oil and 140,000 on the runner). The truck was fine and the 4runner is just now barely in specs for an oil change. I do change oil filters around every 7000 or so miles. I also use Schaeffer oil which is made for extended oil changes. http://www.schaefferoil.com/products.html I have a friend that had a Ford diesel van with over 300,000 miles on it and the oil was never changed, he added a bi pass filter right after he bought it and just kept it serviced while also using extended change oil. The motor still ran great with no problems when he sold it and bought a new truck. As far as buying oil filters go -- Go to http://fleetfilter.com -- All NAPA Gold filters and the best price I have found. They don't have transmission filters. I order for all my vehicles at one time so as to save on shipping. > > The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- anyone using cheap car oil in a high load air cooled motorcycle has zilch-point-schitt mechanical credibility with me. >>>The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > anyone using cheap car oil in a high load air cooled motorcycle has > zilch-point-schitt mechanical credibility with me. Maybe I am a zilch-point-schitt in mechanical credibility. That is why I read a lot. Harley Davidson recomends, or at least did years ago, a oil with an API C rating. Wal-mart has an oil 20w50 with a API C rating. I didn't say I used the same oil in all my vehicles. I do use the same brand. If I can't believe the rating Harley recomends or that the rating on the Wal-Mart oil is what is written on the jug, then who can I believe? L.D. > >>>The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 > >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > on the Wal-Mart oil is what is written on the jug, then who can I believe? > L.D. L D, Believe me. I wouldn't lead you astray. Jack > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > >>>The NAPA GOLD 1050 filter for the 289 is about $5.50 > >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- use only motorcycle oils blended for air cooled v-twins in a Harley, the best wal-mart oil to use as a "emergency" oil is 15W40 fleet oil. A while back we had a similar thread aboout when to change oil. At that time, I mentioned that Consumer's Union ran a test on NYC taxis a few years ago, changed some at 3000 and some at 7000 or 7500. After hundreds of thousands of miles, there was little difference in wear between the 2 intervals. Dunno what kind of oil they used but since I do LOTS of driving, it convinced me to change oil about every 7000. I use WalMart synthetic 5w-30 that is pretty cheap compared to Mobile 1 (which I used previously) and of course ALWAYS change the filter with the oil. My Chrysler van (3.8 engine) has over 200k now and uses about a quart between changes. The Oldsmobile I drove previously (3.1 engine) had over 400k when I FINALLY gave it to my sister-in-law--it used about a half quart between changes. By the way, she is STILL driving the van, altho I'm sure it does not get the oil changed as frequently now. And tho the trans was rebuilt twice, the engine had never had more than normal maintenance. Nor has the Chrysler. John |
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