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Studebaker George - 31 Jul 2006 02:23 GMT
Shop was broken into last night.  The alarm system has been busted for
a while and it was one of those things I was gong to "get around to".
They took my riding mower, a Honda weed eater, and some tools.  they
must have had a truck as they brought a ladder (left it behind) and
went in through a side skylight.  My buddy lost out the worst as they
took the whole top tool box of his.  That thing must have weighed eight
hundred pounds, so there must have been two of them.  Spent the day
with the sheriff's crime guys for whatever that is worth.  They did get
prints and a glove left behind and everything was marked or had serial
numbers but....seems there is a "ring" operating in a very small area
of town (guess which) as they have hit many places in a one mile area
in the last two weeks.  Hopefully they are doing too much and will get
stupid real soon.  Things like this want to make me start selling off
everything save for a couple cars and retreating to another state like
Jeffy.  This city is turning rapidly to the "dark side" and is now
approaching 50%.  I never thought it would happen here thirty five
years ago when I first came here.  Florida in general is going to sh.t.
Studebaker George
mbstude - 31 Jul 2006 02:35 GMT
Dang! I hate to hear that! But, hopefully none of the cars were touched
and nobody got hurt. Don't sell off the cars quite yet. Enjoy them for
a little while longer. Then move off to Newberry... :) I hope they get
busted and you'll at least get the $$$ for the damages.
Matthew
> Shop was broken into last night.  The alarm system has been busted for
> a while and it was one of those things I was gong to "get around to".
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> years ago when I first came here.  Florida in general is going to sh.t.
> Studebaker George
Studebaker George - 31 Jul 2006 02:38 GMT
Yeah, I'm about ready to trade spinnin' wrenches for pushing a
broom...whole lot less stress...might even have time to do some
fishin'...
Studebaker George
Paul Johnson - 31 Jul 2006 02:41 GMT
> Shop was broken into last night.  The alarm system has been busted for
> a while and it was one of those things I was gong to "get around to".
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> everything save for a couple cars and retreating to another state like
> Jeffy.  ...
I know how you feel.  In 1990 three guys with a combined IQ of about 60
kicked in the door to my shop and stole my 30-year collection of tools.  I
still miss something occasionally that I forgot when I made up the insurance
list.  They also kicked in the back door of the house, but the only things
they took were three guns and my son's new Reebok shoes.  One gun was
priceless to me- my dad's model 97 Winchester pump shotgun.  The other two
were my first guns, a Mossberg .22 and a Mossberg 20 ga shotgun.  Neither of
them were in working condition (the .22 didn't even have a bolt in it).   We
got back the two Mossbergs and the shoes- nothing else.  They had loaded my
air compressor into my Dodge van, but apparently couldn't figure out how to
hot wire it.
Until you experience it you can't describe how violated you feel- just
knowing that those filthy slobs were in your house and your stuff.  My
sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
Paul Johnson
Studebaker George - 31 Jul 2006 02:51 GMT
Fortunately for me they didn't get hardly any of my tools.  The alarm
will be addressed first thing in the AM.  They did also get two old
.22's; I had them in a corner of the office and had been meaning to
take them home.  Neither was in working order.  The heavy artillery was
at home.  I am also considering a concealed permit for when I work
late.  This has happened to me once before in a different location many
years ago.  The hard reality won't set in for a day or two, and then
the pure anger will come out.  I also had a house burlarized years ago
but I doubt that will ever happen again as the canines will deter that
now.  They say that burglars pass on houses with dogs as there are
plenty that don't have any.
Studebaker George

> > Shop was broken into last night.  The alarm system has been busted for
> > a while and it was one of those things I was gong to "get around to".
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
> Paul Johnson
mbstude - 31 Jul 2006 02:55 GMT
Get you a couple of old mutts to live in your bone yard to come out
when unfamiliar people stop by...
Matthew
> Fortunately for me they didn't get hardly any of my tools.  The alarm
> will be addressed first thing in the AM.  They did also get two old
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> > sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
> > Paul Johnson
TomNoller - 31 Jul 2006 03:19 GMT
I know what it's like being burglarized, too, George.  Don't laugh but
psychologists say the feeling is akin to being raped.  
Remember, it's just stuff that can be replaced.  Thank goodness you or
none of your family was caught in crosshairs.
Craig Parslow - 31 Jul 2006 06:40 GMT
>I know what it's like being burglarized, too, George.  Don't laugh but
> psychologists say the feeling is akin to being raped.

It truly does scare the hell out of you; especially when you are home and
you hear someone trying to force their way in at 3 AM which happened to me
almost a month ago.  Luckily, they were unsuccessful in trying to kick in
the door, and I've since had an alarm system installed.  But if it does
happen again, I am really tempted to look into one of those gated
communities so many seem to despise.  My peace of mind has to come first.

Craig.
Lee Aanderud - 31 Jul 2006 03:28 GMT
I found out this weekend that the auto upholstery shop where I'm helping a
friend out with his Cutlass convertible has a pistol hidden in every room in
the shop.  The two owners are ready in case they get robbed and forced into
a back room.  All I was told was if I ever saw a pistol, not to pick it up
because it's loaded and "ready to go".

It's a shame it comes to this, but with all the crack and meth heads out
there today anything can happen.

Lee

> Fortunately for me they didn't get hardly any of my tools.  The alarm
> will be addressed first thing in the AM.  They did also get two old
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>> sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
>> Paul Johnson
oldcarfart - 31 Jul 2006 13:26 GMT
> I found out this weekend that the auto upholstery shop where I'm helping a
> friend out with his Cutlass convertible has a pistol hidden in every room in
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> >> sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
> >> Paul Johnson

all my weapons have a "shot shell" type ammo as a first round, all
others are hollow points or stingers.  this allows me to correct aim
for multiple hits.
Grumpy AuContraire - 31 Jul 2006 13:26 GMT
A loaded Glock in the nightstand will permit you to sleep easier...

JT

> I found out this weekend that the auto upholstery shop where I'm helping a
> friend out with his Cutlass convertible has a pistol hidden in every room in
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> >> sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
> >> Paul Johnson
Lee Aanderud - 31 Jul 2006 13:39 GMT
I prefer a loaded shotgun under the bed.  No need to worry about aiming.
And forget the Hollywood scene of racking a round into the chamber... that
just lets whoever is in the house know where you are and that you know
they're in the house.

Lee

>A loaded Glock in the nightstand will permit you to sleep easier...

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Jeff Rice - 31 Jul 2006 14:54 GMT
I agree.
My carry piece is a stainless .45acp Commander.
(Stainless because of the humidity, and I am lazy... and you can see it very
clearly when you pull it out at night)
Otherwise the shotgun is best...a pump with a bunch of rounds.
A friend of mine is a police officer and made that recommendation to me.
He told my wife to take the shotgun and the kids into an interior room and
start yelling if there was a break-in.
Then he said to let a round go off through the roof to scare the intruder(s)
off.
My wife, Carrie, in he thrifty thinking ways immediately corrected him and
said to let a round go off through a window, as a window is cheaper to fix
than the roof.
Jeff (love that gal...) Rice

"Lee Aanderud" wrote...
>I prefer a loaded shotgun under the bed.  No need to worry about aiming.
>And forget the Hollywood scene of racking a round into the chamber... that
>just lets whoever is in the house know where you are and that you know
>they're in the house.
> Lee

> "Grumpy AuContraire" wrote..
>>A loaded Glock in the nightstand will permit you to sleep easier...

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Grumpy AuContraire - 31 Jul 2006 21:26 GMT
> I prefer a loaded shotgun under the bed.  No need to worry about aiming.
> And forget the Hollywood scene of racking a round into the chamber... that
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But, but, but...  The shotgun is just too messy.  Of course, one could
let the dawg lick that away..

JT
markshere2 - 31 Jul 2006 14:36 GMT
I found out this weekend that the auto upholstery shop where I'm helping a

friend out with his Cutlass convertible has a pistol hidden in every room
in
the shop.  The two owners are ready in case they get robbed and forced
into
a back room.  All I was told was if I ever saw a pistol, not to pick it
up
because it's loaded and "ready to go"

Nobody can protect you except you.
A loaded gun is an equalizer.
An Unloaded gun ia a liability that is likely to get you dead.

Mark (PA requires a concealed carry permit) Dunning
Grumpy AuContraire - 31 Jul 2006 03:46 GMT
Back in the mid 1990's, I shared an office with another guy and it was
burglarized on a Sunday night.  We too were considering an alarm system
but never got 'roundtuit.

One of the things that they did not take was my virtually new laser
printer.  Turned out that it was sitting on a short filing cabinet that
I had painted rattle can grey.  The cheap paint literally fused the
printer to the cabinet and I'm sure that the culprits thought that it
might have been a bolted assembly.

Needless to say, my office mate was looking at me strangely because the
printer had been left behind but understood when I gave the thing a few
through shakes and it broke loose...

JT

(Now a proud CHL holder)

> Fortunately for me they didn't get hardly any of my tools.  The alarm
> will be addressed first thing in the AM.  They did also get two old
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> > sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
> > Paul Johnson
ConcreteGuy - 31 Jul 2006 11:51 GMT
I read this post and had to comment...its a bit long and may not be
stude related but....

Real real sorry to hear this news George...

I can't stand a liar , a thief or someone that buys from them...

I have given many things/tools/gear away to people that just asked me
for the thing to help them but hate a thief...See as a Contractor I
did Concrete house walls,floors,steps,etc and have gear you can't get
to easy even today ...My father a Contractor as well aways said your
workmanship is only as good as your tools and gear...get the best and
keep them sharp and oiled...Why I like the members on stude news group
who do such good workmanship and help each other as well...My stude
content here...

Ok...My story is last May 3 we bought a new Ford 2006 Freestyle
Ltd.AWD... The Ford dealer found it in a next door Province in the
colour we wanted...They send a driver to get it ...He found it had
been broken into and the DVD setup in it was taken and the wires
cut...Cause someone knew how to open the rig without the key no glass
was broke...It was locked in the Ford Compound in Moncton when this
happened...grrr ( I believe if you take a company's pay you don't
steal from them) To me its like putting your hand in your wife's purse
and stealing her money...Nothing lower...

I took the rig cause I did not want to wait 8-9 weeks for another...
But till this day this has upset my wife to know someone was in the
new rig...She wished I had not agreed to take it...After I did it took
6 weeks wait to get a new DVD player sent from Ford and put in...They
had it 2 days as well...With the cut wires the CD and radio would not
work right or the sound was not in but 2 speakers as well...I'm not to
happy with the Ford dealer now...

So I know just how you both feel...About your guns taken...Glad I sold
of my guns in 1990 and gave the 30 cal M1 to a member of the RCMP... I
did a foundation for his new home...He liked to target shoot and I
knew it would be in safe hands...The laws here changed in 1990-91 on
who,where and how you had to keep your guns and ammo...You were
respondiably if they were used later in crime,etc...I did not want the
worry and my son who had used them was not interested...

My father in 1960 was building a garage/gas bar,etc and someone broke
in and took his best tools as well...Trouble was he COULD NOT GET THE
SAME ONES AGAIN of the quality he had...He was upset for years and
always looked at anyones tools on jobs after that to see if he would
spot his tools...They were marked...

So again I'm sorry you had this happen..It takes the good out of life
and you wonder if "they" plan to come back again...grrrr

Lansing

>> Shop was broken into last night.  The alarm system has been busted for
>> a while and it was one of those things I was going to "get around to".
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>sincere sympathy.  I hope they catch them for you.
>Paul Johnson

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Jeff Rice - 31 Jul 2006 14:47 GMT
This doesn't make me mad... It pisses me off..
With my upcoming upheaval (it needs a drag racer name....really)..
I am concerned about security now, during the move, short term after the
move, and then long term in the area.
My real estate guy has a list from me for our search.
No landfills, expressways, sewrage treatment plants, airports, railroads...
Since we went looking in southern Georgia I had to add a couple more.
No paper mills, and no....uh....well...er...no damned porch setting
communities.
He took us to one place where I felt we had to look at the propert one at a
time as we needed to leave a guard for the car.
I told him to just keep on driving based on the half dozen places on each
side.
Seeing George get hammered is distressing.
One reason I tend to be a bit secretive...
No one comes in unless they are invited in.
But it is usually who they tell that you need to worry about.
Crap!
They came in through a skylite?!
I'll bet George has never been up on that roof!
My next place will have one or two overseas shipping containers as tool
rooms and machine rooms.
I can lock them up pretty tight.
Jeff ( And then there is the choice of ammo..) Rice

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Lee Aanderud - 31 Jul 2006 15:19 GMT
The problem with what you're looking for is that anymore you will only find
a place out in the sticks where you're on your own for security or in a
gated community (try getting a shipping container stored in the backyard
there).  Someone told me if I bought a place in a rural area to get geese as
"watchdogs".  Upside is they're mean as hell and they let everyone know that
there's someone in the yard who's not supposed to be there.  Downside is
they're mean as hell and they sh.t everywhere... no more walking out into
the yard barefoot.

If you end up in a subdivision, one thing I've noticed about mine... low
traffic because there's only one road in and out, not a cut-through for
local traffic.  The only people who drive through are people who live here
or are visiting.  Any strange vehicle who drives through my cul-de-sac gets
noticed by everyone.

Lee

> This doesn't make me mad... It pisses me off..
> With my upcoming upheaval (it needs a drag racer name....really)..
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> I can lock them up pretty tight.
> Jeff ( And then there is the choice of ammo..) Rice

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John Poulos - 31 Jul 2006 19:30 GMT
I'm in a suburb of Annapolis and no one even locks their doors around
here. Been here 30 years and never heard of some much as a car stereo
stolen.I'm on the end of a dead end street though.

> The problem with what you're looking for is that anymore you will only find
> a place out in the sticks where you're on your own for security or in a
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>>I can lock them up pretty tight.
>>Jeff ( And then there is the choice of ammo..) Rice

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Grumpy AuContraire - 31 Jul 2006 21:30 GMT
Just the sight of a few parked Studebakers send a clear message that the
owner is cheeeeeep!  Not worth the effort...

<G>

JT

> I'm in a suburb of Annapolis and no one even locks their doors around
> here. Been here 30 years and never heard of some much as a car stereo
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
> 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289
> 51 Commander
Bill Glass - 01 Aug 2006 03:09 GMT
Along those lines, I have always run my business out of my house, and in
1990, I was forced to move it out on an isurance scam, I opened a store
up the street about a mile from here. Lost my shirt. When I brought the
business back into the house after I closed the store, my neigbors said
that they were glad we were back. They felt more secure as someone was
"always around" and knows what goes on.

Problem with my "guard dog" is that if he is on leash outside, nothing gets
halfway down the driveway, not even UPS guy. Take him off leash, and he is
everyones friend, and he will jump into UPS truck and sit, put him back on
leash, and he will go after the same driver. Don't know why.

Went into Best Buy to buy a new TV this past Saturday, the entire sales
force were all non caucasion, same at Radio Shack. The world she be
changing.

BG

> I'm in a suburb of Annapolis and no one even locks their doors around
> here. Been here 30 years and never heard of some much as a car stereo
> stolen.I'm on the end of a dead end street though.
Dave's Place - 01 Aug 2006 03:36 GMT
> Problem with my "guard dog" is that if he is on leash outside, nothing gets
> halfway down the driveway, not even UPS guy. Take him off leash, and he is
> everyones friend, and he will jump into UPS truck and sit, put him back on
> leash, and he will go after the same driver. Don't know why.

Leash=On Duty, no leash=Off Duty.
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Grumpy AuContraire - 01 Aug 2006 03:42 GMT
> > Problem with my "guard dog" is that if he is on leash outside, nothing
> gets
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Leash=On Duty, no leash=Off Duty.

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nuttin'  I'm not gonna say nuttin'

<GGGGGG>

JT
Dave's Place - 01 Aug 2006 04:04 GMT
> I'm not gonna say nuttin'  I'm not gonna say nuttin' I'm not gonna say
> nuttin'  I'm not gonna say nuttin' I'm not gonna say nuttin'  I'm not
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> I'm not gonna say nuttin'  I'm not gonna say nuttin' I'm not gonna say
> nuttin'  I'm not gonna say nuttin'

JT, when you don't say nuttin', you speak volumes!  <GG>
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betrtimes - 01 Aug 2006 16:14 GMT
> I'm in a suburb of Annapolis and no one even locks their doors around
> here. Been here 30 years and never heard of some much as a car stereo
> stolen.I'm on the end of a dead end street though.

Like Lee A. said, dead end streets, and cul-de-sacs. Everyone sees you
coming and going
58packardwagon - 31 Jul 2006 04:42 GMT
I have dealt with all types of alarm systems.......call Brinks in the
morning.  They are outstanding.  I put one in my place last year and it
has been outstanding.  My thoughts are if someone is going to break in,
they might be able to grab a few small items and run, before the police
respond to the call, but they won't be able to clean me out.  Sorry to
hear your sad story.  It too happened to me a number of years ago.
People just don't care.  I have had my garage and out buildings covered
since.  Take care.
midlant@earthlink.net - 31 Jul 2006 05:44 GMT
We got ADT, and are pleased with it, after the break-in during the 2004
IM.
Much was taken and most of what was left, smashed.
The cop even asked if I had any enemies! Me?? Sweet old Karl? No way.
Marilyn had a statute that her family brought back from Changhi when
they left pre-WWI.
Some pieces were sand size. Out of stubborness, we got it rebuilt - it
two months.

We gave a detailed description, often with photos and S/Ns, of
everything.
Nothing has shown up yet.

Rest easy The trauma eases after a while.

Karl
> I have dealt with all types of alarm systems.......call Brinks in the
> morning.  They are outstanding.  I put one in my place last year and it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> People just don't care.  I have had my garage and out buildings covered
> since.  Take care.
paulctr@bellsouth.net - 31 Jul 2006 14:33 GMT
Get a local alarm guy with  good referances.   He will not tie you up
in contracts that that beat you to death in the long run.  When you
have a problem, you can go to his office, if need be, and see him
eyeball to eyeball.

Beware of contracts that require you to cancel within a certain time
period  before your original contract expires..   That means you will
probably fall into the "automatic renewal" clause.  I know people that
had a 3 year contract for seven years.  They try to cancel and the
company tells them it will be another year because they did not get
notified 30 days prior to the contract expiration

Ask about the commpanies rate increase policy.   Local companies will
usually guarantee their rate until the contract expires or longer.
Some companies reel you in then increase your rate over time.

Ask about other fees.   Some conpanies quote a monitoring fee then add
$2 to $4 to the monthley bill as a "processing fee"

Read the contract!!!  Most of the large companies are looking for
lifetime customers.   They get them not by providing good product and
service but by tying you up in a bunch of legal contract clauses.

I make these points because I own a burglar alarm company.   Just some
things to think about.

>Shop was broken into last night.  The alarm system has been busted for
>a while and it was one of those things I was gong to "get around to".
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>years ago when I first came here.  Florida in general is going to sh.t.
>Studebaker George
 
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