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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006OD trannie info
Is there a OD trannie from a Studebaker that has the Ford bolt pattern and the yoke in short tailhousing with slip joint in driveshaft? If so, what year and model? I am wanting to use trannie for another application. If I can find one as above it will make project much easier. L.D. > Is there a OD trannie from a Studebaker that has the Ford bolt pattern > and the yoke in short tailhousing with slip joint in driveshaft? If so, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- sure, pre-58 cars and some trucks nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> Is there a OD trannie from a Studebaker that has the Ford bolt pattern >> and the yoke in short tailhousing with slip joint in driveshaft? If [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > nate Thanks, Now does anyone in the Texas area have one to sell? L.D. >>> Is there a OD trannie from a Studebaker that has the Ford bolt pattern >>> and the yoke in short tailhousing with slip joint in driveshaft? If [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Thanks, Now does anyone in the Texas area have one to sell? >L.D. The pre-'58 cars and trucks don't, IIRC, have the "Ford" type bolt pattern that consists of an upright rectangle with one of the lower holes offset. (best way I can describe it) Instead, again, IIRC, the pre-'58 cars and trucks use a basically square bolt pattern. Now, one MIGHT be able to put a pre-'58 mainshaft, tailshaft housing, and gearset into a post-'58 tranny case to make a "short-tail Ford-style" tranny. At least, that's my recollection of how these work, based on the T86 tranny. T85 is a different beast. Maybe others here can fill in the blanks, or correct me if I'm wrong on this. Gord Richmond >>>>Is there a OD trannie from a Studebaker that has the Ford bolt pattern >>>>and the yoke in short tailhousing with slip joint in driveshaft? If [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Gord Richmond What is IIRC? Let me tell what I'm wanting to do. I have a 61 Econoline pickup I'm wanting to put an OD trannie in. I put an OD trannie in my 61 Hawk and that trannie has the same bolt pattern I need but I need the short tail shaft. A trannie from a mid 60's ford pickup will work for me but I haven't been able to find one, plenty from cars but tail housing is too long. Thought that since I knew Studebaker had some trannies with Ford bolt pattern, they may have one with that bolt pattern and short tail housing. The light trannie from a 6 will work as long as the bolt pattern and tail housing is what I need. That little 6 won't tare up the light trannie especially since I won't be pulling a load. Now if I can find one I'm sure I'll have to take input shaft out and shorten it but that will be no problem. L.D. >What is IIRC? >Let me tell what I'm wanting to do. I have a 61 Econoline pickup I'm [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >that will be no problem. >L.D. IIRC = if I remember correctly, internet shorthand Cool idea, L.D. I used to own one of those flat front Econolines myself. Good little van. It had the "Dagenham" four speed, with column shift, and 200" six. Went like h*ll, too. As far as I know, you won't find a Stude tranny that has BOTH a Ford style bolt pattern and a short tail with a flange on the back. Older trannies for cars/trucks that used the 2-piece driveshaft had a more square bolt pattern on the front that won't match the "Ford" style used on the later ('58 and up) cars with the one-piece driveshaft. BUT, I could be wrong. Did you know that some later Ford trucks and cars had a 4 speed manual tranny with top gear being overdrive? Here's some info: "Ford OD trannies: 77-78 - tag#s: RUG-BP,CA,CL,CD Castings nos. start D7DR, Orion on main case look for bulge on right side of case to accomodate OD wheel on cluster also look for 81-82 Muskrat/Crappi Tremec toploader 4 speed OD Front lever is upside down from rear lever" One of these, if you can find it at a wrecking yard, might be just what the doctor ordered. Failing that, you might be able to build a "hybrid T86" using the main case of a '58+ tranny, and the gearset and rear housing off a '57 and earlier tranny. I don't know if you can swap PARTIAL gearsets. Also, I don't know if the cases are compatible. I have trannies of both styles, plus lots of parts at home, but I don't know when I'd find time to play with this scheme myself. If you decide to go this route, hook up with a local Stude fan with a parts stash, and try "building" a hybrid on the workbench. See what fits and what doesn't. Forget about the T96 Champion tranny. There is no version that has the "Ford" pattern, and it is really too light for the six in an Econoline. Hope this helps, and good luck with your Econoline project, Gord Richmond >>What is IIRC? >>Let me tell what I'm wanting to do. I have a 61 Econoline pickup I'm [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Gord Richmond > Gord, I had thought about a 4 speed OD with 4th being the OD. With my trannie being so far back, I could never use shifting mechanism with them, it would come up in the bed. No way I could ever make my 3 on tree shift a 4 speed. I'm sure it could be done but I couldn't. The Dageham shifter might work but that would be harder to find than the trannie I need. I'll just have patience and a Ford pickup trannie will show up. I thought maybe if Stude had one that would give me more sources to look. L.D. >>What is IIRC? >>Let me tell what I'm wanting to do. I have a 61 Econoline pickup I'm [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Gord Richmond > I had a 78 Ford Granada with one of those transmissions and a six, second best car I ever owned, and it really freaked people out to see a Granada with a 4 speed. If it could be made to work I'd love to put one of those transmissions in my Champ! Jeff DeWitt >I had a 78 Ford Granada with one of those transmissions and a six, >second best car I ever owned, and it really freaked people out to see a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Jeff DeWitt Jeff, I think it CAN be made to work. That's why I recorded that info. Not a direct bolt-in, perhaps, but do-able without fabricating many new or complex parts. Gord Richmond >>I had a 78 Ford Granada with one of those transmissions and a six, >>second best car I ever owned, and it really freaked people out to see a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Gord Richmond I seem to remember reading about how to make it work, and it didn't seem that hard. I don't imagine it would be easy to find one of those transmissions though. Jeff DeWitt >>>I had a 78 Ford Granada with one of those transmissions and a six, >>>second best car I ever owned, and it really freaked people out to see a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Jeff DeWitt You have to cruise the pick-a-part places. Gord > >>>>Is there a OD trannie from a Studebaker that has the Ford bolt pattern > >>>>and the yoke in short tailhousing with slip joint in driveshaft? If [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > that will be no problem. > L.D. AFAIK - and I am guessing here - even if you do find a short-tail Stude transmission, the input shaft will be different than a Ford. My understanding is that the "snout" of a Stude transmission that protrudes into the bushing in the crankshaft is unique to Studebaker, or at least different from Ford, Chevy, and MoPar. So to do what you suggest would probably involve some mixing and matching of parts, and essentially a rebuild of a transmission (using parts from two different transmissions for an extra difficulty factor.) good luck, nate |
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