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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006Valve seals
I made extra work for myself by not being careful when removing the push rods to replace the valve stem seals on my R2 Avanti. After I had replaced all the seals and was putting in the last 2 push rods I noticed one was too tall. As I picked it up a little I heard a noise of something falling under the lifter cover. Trying the push rod again it when down far enough to tap on the camshaft! Well at least I know the engine is a low mileage one to allow the lifter to slide out as easy as it did. There is also very little wear on the rocker arms where they lift the valves. This is also a cloverleaf engine. I am still trying to get some history of when it was changed. The supercharger is also black. Is this the wrong color for 63? Allen  SignatureAllen French Blower should be orange, but rebuilds from Paxton were black. > I made extra work for myself by not being careful when removing the push rods > to replace the valve stem seals on my R2 Avanti. After I had replaced all the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > supercharger is also black. Is this the wrong color for 63? > Allen SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander There is an early commercial type that Studebaker did highlighting the features of the Avanti. It is available on DVD from the Studebaker National Museum. Anyways, it shows an early R2 with a black Paxton. > Blower should be orange, but rebuilds from Paxton were black. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > 52 Starliner > 51 Commander Yes, and a dash mounted mirror and even yellow valve covers on one prototype. I assume you were asking for a production car. > There is an early commercial type that Studebaker did highlighting the > features of the Avanti. It is available on DVD from the Studebaker [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>52 Starliner >>51 Commander SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander No John, this was a production car with the correctly mounted mirror and chrome valve covers. Cooling fan was painted all orange also. > Yes, and a dash mounted mirror and even yellow valve covers on one > prototype. I assume you were asking for a production car. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > 52 Starliner > 51 Commander OK, You learn something new everyday. Get the vin of the car used for the commercial and document it so they won't dock you for a black blower on that particular car. > No John, this was a production car with the correctly mounted mirror > and chrome valve covers. Cooling fan was painted all orange also. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >>52 Starliner >>51 Commander SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander That might be a little tricky John. > OK, You learn something new everyday. Get the vin of the car used for > the commercial and document it so they won't dock you for a black blower [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > 52 Starliner > 51 Commander I'm sure that there were some paint inconsistencies; the fan on my '55 (whose engine, best I can figure, came out of a '63 Lark with factory A/C) had a black painted clutch fan. Appeared to be factory paint, too, as when I stripped it down I saw no evidence of primer and it just had the look and feel of factory paint. I repainted it black just because I think it looks better than orange :) nate > That might be a little tricky John. > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >>52 Starliner >>51 Commander Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Probably a fan purchased from the parts department, with a "P" after the part number, or a fan detailed by a N8 type. <g> > I'm sure that there were some paint inconsistencies; the fan on my '55 > (whose engine, best I can figure, came out of a '63 Lark with factory [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >>>>>>>> supercharger is also black. Is this the wrong color for 63? >>>>>>>> Allen SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander My point was that you'll need to prove that a production Avanti had a black blower from the factory for AOAI to accept it. Early commercials, road tests and factory brochures are often made with cars that did not come off the line. I saw a few very early production cars back 62 when I lived in South Bend and they had orange blowers. It's a minor point, but if the guy gets docked a point or two for a black blower, he'll need more proof than a commercial. i.e. the factory 63 GT Hawk postcard had a GT with Lark hub caps and many a 63 GT was later restored with the wrong hub caps. > That might be a little tricky John. >>OK, You learn something new everyday. Get the vin of the car used for >>the commercial and document it so they won't dock you for a black blower [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >>52 Starliner >>51 Commander SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander An early Avanti, with the mirror on the dash, was road tested in the July '62 "Motor Trend" magazine. Pictures are black and white; but the valve covers don't look chrome, (maybe yellow). The supercharger looks black. It's an early "SN", with a cut down "VS-57" badge to cover the solenoid hole, rather than the foil "Paxton" sticker. There's a color picture of an Avanti "R2" engine on the cover of the Nov. '62 "Hot Rod" magazine. It has chrome valve covers. The fan, belt tensioner, and coolant tank are orange. Crank, water pump, tensioner and supercharger pulleys are yellow. The power steering pump reservoir is silver. The early Lark "R2" engine used in the "Excalibur" prototype came from a display chassis, and also was detailed with unusual colors. Your Avanti, almost certainly, left the factory with an orange supercharger. Technically, they were "SN-60" type; but serial #'s for the units made for the Avanti started with "MS". They have only the necessary mounting bolt holes drilled; and are different from the "ML" units made for Larks and Hawks. Universal "SN-60" superchargers have often been substituted. They have mounting bolt holes drilled and tapped all the way around, and were painted black. Serial #'s start with "SN-60". I've seen them with extra mounting holes filled with bondo; and painted orange. John Erb says he fills the solenoid holes on "SN" superchargers. He also shortens VS-57's, removing the variable pulley. They can then be substituted for SN-60's. Folks have certainly drilled holes in "MS" & "ML" superchargers, too. Mike M. This thread reminds me of one that the Corvette guys had. It seems that GM vendors coded the bolt heads with various marks or letters and it was important to the judges the you had a "TR" stamp on your water pump bolts for example. More than one Corvette owner complained if losing points for wrong bolts, when he had owned the car since new and was certain they were factory bolts. After some research it was found that on occasion the line workers would run out of a certain bolt and someone would be sent out to buy a few 100 locally ti tide them over. Since you could not document, the undocumented bolts, the owners had to change their factory installed bolts, for the "correct" ones. It is possible, that somehow, someway a black Paxton ended up on a production Avanti, but you'll get docked for it. > An early Avanti, with the mirror on the dash, was road tested in the July > '62 "Motor Trend" magazine. Pictures are black and white; but the valve [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > superchargers, too. > Mike M. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander Recently, John Erb went through the Paxton on my 1963 R2 Lark. It is an early car which I mentioned to him. He told me th e blower should be painted black since it was an early car and that the early R2 Larks had black Paxtons. I elected to go with orange because it looks so much better but was curious about him telling me that it should be black. I tried to find information in my literature library but came up empty. On a slightly different topic, when I did the R4 engine, learning that painting it blue was correct was pointed out to me by Nimesh. My guess is the reason the R4's were painted blue and the R3's were painted red, is that Granatelli could tell them apart once the heads went on since both engines used the same heads but different pistons. > This thread reminds me of one that the Corvette guys had. It seems > that GM vendors coded the bolt heads with various marks or letters and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > 52 Starliner > 51 Commander John Erb has a tremendous amount of experience with Paxton and McCulloch superchargers. I've seen pictures of Lark/Hawk setups with black superchargers; and wondered if any left the factory painted orange. Is yours an "ML" like I described? The idea of painting R3 & R4 engines different colors for identification makes sense. Although the R4 crate motor at the museum is blue, the "Car Life" article about the only R4 actually installed at the factory, mentions that the engine is red! In my posting above, about the odd colors on the "Hot Rod" engine, I didn't mention that the supercharger is black, with the cut down medallion; like the one in the early road tests. It's probably a universal SN-60, rather than one made for Studebaker. Here's a picture of the Excalibur engine: http://www.excaliburautomobile.com/Image/Mequon/Otto06.JPG . As I said, engine and frame were originally specially finished and painted by Stude for a car show display. Obviously, there were modifications later, to build the roadster. I don't know if the colors were from the Stude display; or an outrage committed by the builders of the Excalibur! All of these are exceptions to the usual production colors. They are prototypes, or display models that have suffered the attention of the Art Department. Mike M. I am in Richmond VA this week Mike due to work training, but will check it out when I get back to FL and see that the Paxton serial # has on it. > John Erb has a tremendous amount of experience with Paxton and McCulloch > superchargers. I've seen pictures of Lark/Hawk setups with black [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Department. > Mike M. |
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