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Flat towing a Hawk

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johnnywiffer@aol.com - 07 Aug 2006 16:17 GMT
In an old issue of TW, the subject of flat towing (without using a
dolly) is discussed and it was decided that attempting to tow a
Studebaker that way was almost impossible.

But I towed a '64 Cruiser from Battle Mountain NV, (the armpit of the
world, according to the sign) over Hoover dam (ever do THAT?) up and
down mountains to San Antonio (yes, the driveshaft was disconnected)
with no problem.

However, once I towed a Hawk about 150 miles and had a terrible time.
Going straight on I-35  was OK but the front wheels didn't want to turn
as they should have around corners. Both of these cars had power
steering, so I think that was not the problem.

Has anyone had a similar problem?  I want to tow the Hawk I just got
about 17 miles and if I don't HAVE to rent a dolly, don't want to do
it.  Since it doesn't run, I think it will be very hard to get the car
on the dolly.  But I do have a tow bar and a trailer hitch on the back
of my van.

As an aside, once I bought a Fiat X1/9.  I didn't have a tow bar or
dolly but the seller told me that he could tow it to my house, using a
piece of water pipe about 6 feet long.  I said something like, "That'll
be the day!"  He ran a chain thru the pipe, attached it to the middle
of both cars' bumpers, tightened it very tight and took the X to my
house with NO problem.  Had never seen it done, before or since.

I guess my question is--if a piece of water pipe and a chain will work,
what is the problem with flat towing a Stude?  

John
N8N - 07 Aug 2006 16:20 GMT
johnnywif...@aol.com wrote:
> In an old issue of TW, the subject of flat towing (without using a
> dolly) is discussed and it was decided that attempting to tow a
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> John

In a word, caster.  Studes don't have caster, meaning the front wheels
will go every which way.  I wouldn't do it.  At a minimum I would get a
dolly, a trailer preferred.

nate
Barry - 07 Aug 2006 16:44 GMT
I agree, but usually when I have a problem with hauling with a tow bar is
when the motor is out of the car.
One time I towed a 56 Roadmaster behind a Chevy 1/2 tn. It did fine for
about 5 mi., then the road turned from asphalt to gravel. The Buick
immediately turned left, crossed the ditch, & knocked down about 40 ft of
barbed wire fence while pushing the truck sideways like it wasn't there. The
last time I used a tow bar, back in '95, I was hauling a GT Hawk home. Prior
to leaviing, I checked the tires & lug nuts, but did not check the axle
nuts. After about 5 miles of uneventful towing, a front axle nut came off,
causing the Hawk to pass the truck. Even though I once successfully hauled a
55 packard on a tow bar from NC to TX behind a Lark, I am a believer in
trailers now!
Anybody need anything hauled from TX to Omaha, IA, or SD?
BH

> johnnywif...@aol.com wrote:
> > In an old issue of TW, the subject of flat towing (without using a
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> nate
johnnywiffer@aol.com - 07 Aug 2006 17:29 GMT
> Anybody need anything hauled from TX to Omaha, IA, or SD?
> BH

No but I'm dickering with THIS guy...you coming the other way?

"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150017370460&index
URL=10&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
"

John
Barry - 07 Aug 2006 18:10 GMT
I'm coming back loaded heavy, big spender.

--
Barry'd in Studes

58 Packard Hawk
40 President
39 Coupe Exp.
59 DeLuxe 1/2 tn.
56 Packard "400"

> > Anybody need anything hauled from TX to Omaha, IA, or SD?
> > BH
>
> No but I'm dickering with THIS guy...you coming the other way?

"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150017370460&
indexURL=10&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting"

> John
Jeff Rice - 07 Aug 2006 16:59 GMT
BTDT... But only if you have to.
Take a good quality long rubber bungee cord.
Take two wraps around the wheel and pull the hook ends outside the door.
Slam the door on the two cords.
Tie a knot in the bungee outside the door.
Then just flat tow it with a good quality tow bar, keeping in mind that it
is a sort of flexible front bumper held on with four 3/8" bolts.
Why not have a steer person back there?
Jeff

<johnnywiffer wrote...
> In an old issue of TW, the subject of flat towing (without using a
> dolly) is discussed and it was decided that attempting to tow a
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>
> John

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johnnywiffer@aol.com - 07 Aug 2006 17:22 GMT
> BTDT... But only if you have to.
> Take a good quality long rubber bungee cord.
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> Why not have a steer person back there?
> Jeff

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If you tie the steering wheel, what allows it to turn to follow the tow
vehicle?

John
Jeff Rice - 07 Aug 2006 18:45 GMT
It'll stretch a bit and turn some, and it'll drag the rest of the way
through the corner without flipping over to full lock, which is what Stude's
like to do..
I never said it was ideal, or perfect.
It just works in a pinch.
Jeff

<johnnywiffer wrote...
> If you tie the steering wheel, what allows it to turn to follow the tow
> vehicle?

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Grumpy AuContraire - 07 Aug 2006 23:57 GMT
Yep, listen to Jeff.  Just take it slow and easy..

JT

> It'll stretch a bit and turn some, and it'll drag the rest of the way
> through the corner without flipping over to full lock, which is what Stude's
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johnnywiffer@aol.com - 08 Aug 2006 02:55 GMT
> It'll stretch a bit and turn some, and it'll drag the rest of the way
> through the corner without flipping over to full lock, which is what Stude's
> like to do..
> I never said it was ideal, or perfect.
> It just works in a pinch.
> Jeff

It worked EXACTLY as Jeff said!!  Squealed around the corners a little
but straightened out on the straight parts and MAN!!   It came on down
the road!!  I'll never doubt you again, Jeff!  ;-)

John
Jeff Rice - 08 Aug 2006 03:32 GMT
I feel bad you doubted me the first time <lol>
Jeff (But the smart ones always do <g>) Rice

<johnnywiffer wrote...
> It worked EXACTLY as Jeff said!!  Squealed around the corners a little
> but straightened out on the straight parts and MAN!!   It came on down
> the road!!  I'll never doubt you again, Jeff!  ;-)
> John

>> It'll stretch a bit and turn some, and it'll drag the rest of the way
>> through the corner without flipping over to full lock, which is what
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>> It just works in a pinch.
>> Jeff

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fieronut@aol.com - 08 Aug 2006 05:43 GMT
> I feel bad you doubted me the first time <lol>
> Jeff (But the smart ones always do <g>) Rice

PLEASE!!  Do not accuse me of being smart!

John
Alex Magdaleno - 07 Aug 2006 17:18 GMT
Just buy a come along and some good rope to pull the car onto the dolly.

> In an old issue of TW, the subject of flat towing (without using a
> dolly) is discussed and it was decided that attempting to tow a
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>
> John
Grumpy AuContraire - 07 Aug 2006 23:55 GMT
It can be towed by the steering wheel has to be tied off and all circles
have to be w-i-d-e.  Towed a Skyhawk from Gettysburg to RI that way
without problems...

JT

> In an old issue of TW, the subject of flat towing (without using a
> dolly) is discussed and it was decided that attempting to tow a
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>
> John
midlant@earthlink.net - 08 Aug 2006 00:06 GMT
Someday we reach the point that we do the things that take a little
more time or cost a few more dollars. Life is usually a bit more dull
at that point, but it costs less in the long run. It's about the time
that we stop saying, "Oh, Yeah? Just watch this."

Karl (You'll know you've reached it when you drive slower when drunk
than faster, like you used to!)

> It can be towed by the steering wheel has to be tied off and all circles
> have to be w-i-d-e.  Towed a Skyhawk from Gettysburg to RI that way
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> >
> > John
markshere2 - 08 Aug 2006 00:00 GMT
I have flat towed two vehicles long distance when I was much younger.

I build a VERY heavy duty tow bar out of bits N pieces

I used my '62 chevy pickup with wornout front suspension to haul a '48
Champion ragtop to Chicago from Oklahoma City.

THAT was hairy.  I wandered all over the road and Chicago rush hour was
very... interesting.

THe problems mostly occured at slow speed in tight turns - the front
wheels tended to lay-over ... A LOT.

10 years later I used my 76 Econoline to haul a Ford pickup OKC-
Pennsylvania.  Zero issues that time. Worked fine.

Your results will certainly vary

MD

Has anyone had a similar problem?  I want to tow the Hawk I just got
about 17 miles and if I don't HAVE to rent a dolly, don't want to do
it.  Since it doesn't run, I think it will be very hard to get the car
on the dolly.  But I do have a tow bar and a trailer hitch on the back
of my van.
 
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