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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006BP/AMOCO pipeline rant--semi OT
Damn these dumbasses to no end! Just finished reading the USA Today story on the corroded pipelne in Alaska.These @^%&$!! morons havent done a damn bit of maintenance on that pipeline in YEARS.I mean NOT A DAMN THING to remove the corrosive sludge that that they know without a doubt collects in there. Its MUHO that they just kept pumping the crude thru the pipe as the pri$e kept climbing till they couldnt avoid doing something about it. Then to decide (convinenantly at the time of peak demand no less!) to shut er down and fix it,thus driving the price even higher for more profit$!!!! They are breaking it off in out tailpipes and laughing all the way to the offshore bankaccounts . Freaking hoopleheads need it shoved up their fillerpipes a few times so they know how us little guys feel. I really wish there was a way that we the consumers,as a whole,could just once give the shaft back to those that shafts us!!!!! I wont stop driving my Studebaker till they pry my cold dead stiff foot off the go pedal!!!!!!! Thanks for the rant space.......... and....they had been warned by the federal government and the governments of the states of Colorado and Alsaka that such maintenance should be done. These warning came a couple of years ago. So they are warned, they do nothing, nobody makes them do anything, and now we all suffer. This is why people oppose more drilling and more pipelines in fragile enviornments. If we could trust the big oil corporations to do the job correctly, things might not be too bad. But we all know we cannot trust them to do the right thing. Joe (another OT rant, sorry) Roberts > Damn these dumbasses to no end! Just finished reading the USA Today > story on the corroded pipelne in Alaska.These @^%&$!! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > off the go pedal!!!!!!! > Thanks for the rant space.......... For me the real pisser is that they have the money to fix them when it would be less expensive to do, but are so busy raking in the big bucks they'd rather wait until absolutely forced to by the spectre of no bucks at all coming in (and the looming threat of another disaster/ long trial/ cleanup/ public relations debacle). The bastards! Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the new pipe is laid? My grandfather was a pipeline engineer, but I have no knowledge of the subject, just wondering... -- Barry'd in Studes 58 Packard Hawk 40 President 39 Coupe Exp. 59 DeLuxe 1/2 tn. 56 Packard "400" > For me the real pisser is that they have the money to fix them when it > would be less expensive to do, but are so busy raking in the big bucks > they'd rather wait until absolutely forced to by the spectre of no > bucks at all coming in (and the looming threat of another disaster/ > long trial/ cleanup/ public relations debacle). The bastards! Not just a "leak", the pipe line is corroded paper thin from cutting back on anti-corrosion chemicals. This was reported by a whistle blower a few years back. > Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline > next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the new [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>bucks at all coming in (and the looming threat of another disaster/ >>long trial/ cleanup/ public relations debacle). The bastards!  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander Barry, that's exactly what I was thinking as I read it. (Two great minds....) I was also thinking that if the Alaska govt had any balls, they would have put a contnuingly climbing added tax on it until it was fixed, starting from the day the corrosion was first detected, probably sonically. Karl. > Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline > next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the new [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > bucks at all coming in (and the looming threat of another disaster/ > > long trial/ cleanup/ public relations debacle). The bastards! Well, This is sounding more nad more like we REALLY REALLY need to be spending more on R&D for alternative energy storage and conversion. I don't say source, because it's almost all Solar, whether it has been locked up underground for 5 million years or it's arriving on a solar cell to keep a car battery trickle charged. in my head,I keep hearing "Bad Moon A-Rising" from Credence Clearwater Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. Mark (looking for some good news) Dunning ----------- Barry, that's exactly what I was thinking as I read it. (Two great minds....) I was also thinking that if the Alaska govt had any balls, they would have put a contnuingly climbing added tax on it until it was fixed, starting from the day the corrosion was first detected, probably sonically. Karl. Barry wrote: > Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline > next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the new > pipe is laid? > My grandfather was a pipeline engineer, but I have no knowledge of the > subject, just wondering... Quit watching and listening to all this crap. You say you want 'someone' to spend more to develop 'something' that you are not willing to pay more for. WTH kind of thinking is that? This is an election cycle, and the media is going to whip up a frenzy to either scare you, or piss you off. All in the name of 'watch my channel, listen to my station,or read my paper".. Just so they can tell you which idjit will come along and solve it all and make your life easier...if you vote thisaway.. Sigh..... Two year old (plus) news in purposely rehashed in prime time on a preplanned calendar to stir the pot. "markshere2" wrote:... > Well, > This is sounding more nad more like we REALLY REALLY need to be spending [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and > Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Damn, Rice - you sound more jaded than me! Right on schedule. <G> > Quit watching and listening to all this crap. > You say you want 'someone' to spend more to develop 'something' that you are [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" ----- Unknown 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1954 3R11 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html Yessir... Same message, same channel, same meaning, same song, same sanity, same honesty, same logic. same truth. Some things never change, and some things never should change. Jeff "Pat Drnec" wrote... > Right on schedule. <G> >> Quit watching and listening to all this crap. >> You say you want 'someone' to spend more to develop 'something' that you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com But he didn't say 'someone', he said WE. As in our Govt.should maybe treat energy as a national security issue, which it properly is. Nazi Germany was defeated as much by an energy crisis as by guns and tanks. Of course, we could all just bury our heads in the sand, trusting that our elected officials will take care of everything for us. How's that working out for you so far? > Yessir... > Same message, same channel, same meaning, same song, same sanity, same [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" ----- Unknown 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1954 3R11 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html Damn... right on schedule. Pavlov would be so proud. Lee > But he didn't say 'someone', he said WE. As in our Govt.should maybe treat > energy as a national security issue, which it properly is. Nazi Germany [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com But 'We' are the government. I still stand by what I said. My head is not in the sand, and it will still speak out what is true and what I feel is right. That's all. No need to agree or disagree. 'We' have sold our responsibilities as citizens to people who do not represent what we are electing them for. 'We' have noone to blame but ourselves for putting people into office based on our own greed and payola schedules. To suddenly interject Nazi's is a cheap methodology of debate. Trust an elected official? Now THAT is funny...and terrifying. Our government has screwed up the energy system way past irrational. The government should stay the heck out of it. The government should follow the constitution and work for the citizens, not the other way around. Jeff > But he didn't say 'someone', he said WE. As in our Govt.should maybe treat > energy as a national security issue, which it properly is. Nazi Germany [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Our elected officials are the reason we are in this mess to begin with. Piling regulations upon regulations and severely limiting where we can drill for oil and gas has pretty much forced us to rely more and more upon imported oil. Jeff DeWitt > But he didn't say 'someone', he said WE. As in our Govt.should maybe > treat energy as a national security issue, which it properly is. Nazi [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. Now with the British airline thing this AM, the talking heads are explaining how the war in Iraq has spawned more terrorists,like the British citizens or how important it is that we fight them there rather then here and stay the course. Pick the channel that agrees with you, and nod in approval. > Yessir... > Same message, same channel, same meaning, same song, same sanity, same [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>>>Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander Just like you're doing??? Lee > Now with the British airline thing this AM, the talking heads are > explaining how the war in Iraq has spawned more terrorists,like the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>>>>Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>>Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Actually, I watch Fox and CNN, and even read the Saudi press to get all sides of the issue. > Just like you're doing??? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>>>>Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>>>Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander Communist. <G> > Actually, I watch Fox and CNN, and even read the Saudi press to get all > sides of the issue. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>>>>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>>>>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" ----- Unknown 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1954 3R11 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html So there is no problem and they are not shutting down the pipe at least for awhile? Damn them newspeople. > Quit watching and listening to all this crap. > You say you want 'someone' to spend more to develop 'something' that you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. Yes, there is a problem. Never disputed that at all. But this one is not new, but it is now the news item of choice. The timing of it is what makes me suspicious, not the problem itself. My soft headed point was that there is not a damned thing 'you' can do about corrosion in a pipe in Alaska. Getting all frazzled about it will not stop the corrosion. Neither can a 2 star government panel or commission. While not 'hiding my head in the sand' as Pat admonished, I won't weld without a helmet either. Jeff "Alex Magdaleno" wrote... > So there is no problem and they are not shutting down the pipe at least > for awhile? Damn them newspeople. > "Jeff Rice" wrote... >> Quit watching and listening to all this crap. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com But what is new is the shutdown of the pipeline. There is no plot here by the news organinzations. And yes there is nothing "I" or "we" can do about it now but there sure as hell is a lot the goverment could do to prevent this in the future. To trust big business ( or big unions for that matter) to look out for the rest of us out of the goodness of their hearts is pure foolishness. Greed is part of human behavior and always has been. The fox should not guard the henhouse. > Yes, there is a problem. Never disputed that at all. > But this one is not new, but it is now the news item of choice. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>> Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and >>>> Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions. (The pipeline has been shut down more than a few times in the past...Just not a long term shutdown) Yessir. Total agreement there (about trust in big business, or unions, or government). I think that deregulation may be good for prices at the consumer level, but deregulation to the point of no regulation brings out the ugly side of capitalism. Now inflation jumps back to the top of the list as the real cost of money worldwide gets shifted around... If you could have cheap bread, with none on the shelf, or a ton of bread that no one can afford... Heck of a juggling act. Jeff "Alex Magdaleno" wrote... > But what is new is the shutdown of the pipeline. There is no plot here by > the news organinzations. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is part of human behavior and always has been. The fox should not guard > the henhouse. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com It's not that easy. Imagine a two lane road built for all those miles, zigzagging the easiest route, with bridges, and tunnels (through rock). Most of it on narrow stilts with rollers for the pipe(s) to move when they expand and contract. All with no right of way. There's no room to put parallel pipes down on either side, on top, or underneath. "Barry" wrote... > Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline > next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the > new > pipe is laid? > My grandfather was a pipeline engineer, but I have no knowledge of the > subject, just wondering... SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com So, build a spare alongside and don't use it until the other needs repairs. Is this the first time a pipe has corroded from what it's moving? Karl > It's not that easy. > Imagine a two lane road built for all those miles, zigzagging the easiest [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > My grandfather was a pipeline engineer, but I have no knowledge of the > > subject, just wondering... Karl, There is no 'alongside' on a pipeline through rock, or over a mountain. Go look at the original route that pipeline took. You could parallel pipeline only about 250 miles of it. So, go back to when they built the thing in the first place. Would it have been financially feasible to build double the required capacity at that time, at triple or quadruple the cost? Would the customer (you) have been willing to pay the upcharge to buy the doubled capacity for a 'someday' scenario? Good question. Are you willing to pay double right now, today, for fuel to ensure future capacity 25 years from now? Another good question. If you are, then what are you/we doing to get this done? Are we helping the oil companies explore and drill for oil? Or are we standing by idly while political groups with an agenda block every move that capitalists make to stay in business and make a profit? More good questions. Knowing who the big bad guys are and standing your ground personally as well as verbally is the key. Jeff (semi OT, my a.s....) Rice <Karl wrote... > So, build a spare alongside and don't use it until the other needs > repairs. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > My grandfather was a pipeline engineer, but I have no knowledge of the >> > subject, just wondering... SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I cannot fathom the fact that they had absolutely no backup facility(s). JT > Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline > next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the new [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > bucks at all coming in (and the looming threat of another disaster/ > > long trial/ cleanup/ public relations debacle). The bastards! "Big Inch and "Little Inch" pipelines were built in 1943 and 1944 and are still in use today. Funny what regular maintenance and inspection will do for equipment or pipelines or your car. >From Illinois to Texas and now to Alaska, I am beginning to believe that BP does not care about the environment or the lives of their employees. Jim There are 100 year old water mains carrying 100 psi under every older city in North America.Granted,a water leak isn't the catastrophy an oil leak is, but with the proper corrsion inhibitors a line with oil in it should be lasting far longer. Mabey big oils been cutting to many corners on maintenance and saftey. > "Big Inch and "Little Inch" pipelines were built in 1943 and 1944 and > are still in use today. Funny what regular maintenance and inspection [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > employees. > Jim >There are 100 year old water mains carrying 100 psi under every older city >in North America.Granted,a water leak isn't the catastrophy an oil leak is, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> employees. >> Jim Or maybe we don't have ANYWHERE near enough information about the pipeline situation in Alaska to make an informed judgement about how well (or otherwise) the management and crew are doing their work. What kind of government constraints are they working under, for one? One thing we should know. When the line is down, the company loses revenue, and so does the state of Alaska. Seems like it's in everyone's best interest to get it back on line ASAP. Gord Richmond On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:08:00 GMT, you wrote: >Or maybe we don't have ANYWHERE near enough information about the pipeline situation in >Alaska to make an informed judgement about how well (or otherwise) the management and crew >are doing their work. What kind of government constraints are they working under, for one? according to NPR, the Alaska governor was on the radio today, and basically the state is SCREWED.. seems the tax/royality on that oil was 2/3rds of the states income.. and they are going to start laying off a LOT of state employees.. --Shiva-- > Or maybe we don't have ANYWHERE near enough information about the pipeline > situation in > Alaska to make an informed judgement about how well (or otherwise) the > management and crew > are doing their work. What kind of government constraints are they working > under, for one? Apparently very little. It has been reported that they have been skimping on maintenance for years. What we are seeing her is the " get govermennt off the back of business" philosophy come back to bite us in the a.s big time. > One thing we should know. When the line is down, the company loses > revenue, They sell less oil but can charge a whole lot more for it and the oil they don't sell is worth even more in the future. They come out fine in the end and the public gets screwed. and so does > the state of Alaska. Seems like it's in everyone's best interest to get it > back on line > ASAP. > > Gord Richmond There is a oil eating bacteria that leaves a acid that attacks the pipes much faster then water would. > There are 100 year old water mains carrying 100 psi under every older city > in North America.Granted,a water leak isn't the catastrophy an oil leak is, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>employees. >>Jim SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander That would scare Rick Courtier shitless! "John Poulos" wrote... > There is a oil eating bacteria that leaves a acid that attacks the pipes > much faster then water would. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Here's the scoop: http://www.newscientisttech.com/article.ns?id=dn9703&feedId=online-news_rss20 > That would scare Rick Courtier shitless! > > "John Poulos" wrote... > >>There is a oil eating bacteria that leaves a acid that attacks the pipes >>much faster then water would. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1/AC gold 63 Avanti R1/AC Silver 63 Avanti R2/4 speed 63 Lark 2 door 62 Lark convert/4 speed 60 Lark convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 56 Power Hawk/4speed/289 52 Starliner 51 Commander Well in reading todays USA Today,I see 2 articles on the pipeline. One states BP/A has not been putting enough corrosion inhibitors in the crude it pumped n the past,as was reported by a company whistle blower,but nobody really did anything about it. The other article states the state of Alaska has NOBODY appointed to oversee pipeline maintenance issues,or to even see if ANY maintenance is being done. And it states that , get this,THERE AE NO FEDERAL REGULATIONS CONCERING "LOW PRESSURE PIPELINES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF??!!??!!?? This is like putting a pedophile in charge of a daycare! Come on,I can not believe all the environmentalist groups,or the Greenpeace army have overlooked this bit of environmental trivia. And ALASKA sure as hell has their pants down. Examples of stupidity such as this are just one of the many reasons why I can't help but loosing faith in humanity one person at a time! Like I said, it's the result of " getting goverment off the back of business". > Well in reading todays USA Today,I see 2 articles on the pipeline. > One states BP/A has not been putting enough corrosion inhibitors in the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Examples of stupidity such as this are just one of the many reasons why > I can't help but loosing faith in humanity one person at a time! Your operating under the assumption that government should have rules and regulations to cover everything, that is not the way a free society is supposed to work. Jeff DeWitt > Well in reading todays USA Today,I see 2 articles on the pipeline. > One states BP/A has not been putting enough corrosion inhibitors in the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Examples of stupidity such as this are just one of the many reasons why > I can't help but loosing faith in humanity one person at a time! > Your operating under the assumption that government should have rules > and regulations to cover everything, that is not the way a free society > is supposed to work. Funny that statement should come up at this time. Just got home from a commission meeting, where I endeared myself to yet one more citizen. All I said was, "You are expecting too much from your local government if you expect us to do something about a skunk in your yard." The good news is that they have found a new city manager, and I will be a free man once again, sometime between Sept. 5-15. Bitch all you want to about government, but the real problem is with those that governments serve. Flame suit in place. SignatureDave Lester Dave's Place Home of the Internationally Renowned Studebakers, 'Sheba and Goliath See pictures at www.davesplaceinc.com That is so huge a statement, and so true. We have allowed generations of 'citizens' to be raised without a work ethic believing (or being taught) that all of their needs will be taken care of by the people they vote into office. As said somewhere else... The minute a society can vote itself money from the government, that society is doomed. I heard a radio interview that had a guest on from a political action group member. She said that she would only support the party that would 'take care of her the most'. Sold out right then and there. Just what the politicians created, and now they are trapped by it. Hence, no social security reform, insurance reform, tax reform...yada yada yada.. Nowadays, if you have a problem, call on the government agency de-jour to take care of it. (Ring ring..) "Hello, Department of Homeland Skunk Removal, Oklahoma Division, Perkins Branch, Level Three Operator Lashonda Yosaka Perez-Smith speaking.." That is so true Dave... <snip> > Bitch all you want to about government, but the real problem is with those > that governments serve. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > (Ring ring..) > "Hello, Department of Homeland Skunk Removal, Oklahoma Division, Perkins > Branch, Level Three Operator Lashonda Yosaka Perez-Smith speaking.." > That is so true Dave... I bet Lashonda got that Level Three job because she was a left-handed lesbian, and the Perkins Branch didn't have enough of them to meet their quota. Lee SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Nothing wrong with expecting and in many cases demanding that people take care of their own problems. There are many other areas where the public has no control and only goverment has the means to keep an eye on people who would and do rip us off and put our lives in danger in the name of profits. >> Your operating under the assumption that government should have rules >> and regulations to cover everything, that is not the way a free society [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Flame suit in place. As opposed to the government which has the means to rip us off and put our lives in danger in the name of political power. Jeff DeWitt > Nothing wrong with expecting and in many cases demanding that people take > care of their own problems. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >>Flame suit in place. Perhaps and addendum to and addendum, but an interesting article on peak oil http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=18 > As opposed to the government which has the means to rip us off and put > our lives in danger in the name of political power. 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