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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006

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N8N - 14 Aug 2006 22:45 GMT
If anyone has an OLD Hurst Competition/Plus installation kit, p/n
373-4734, or a 1-2 shift rod, p/n 213-2138, I could sure use it. I've
purchased two kits from Jeg's for my '55 coupe and the 1-2 shift rod
that is coming with the new production kits DOES NOT WORK. Worse,
heating and bending the Hurst shift rods doesn't work either; the metal
cracks when attempting to straighten out the old bends, even after
being heated cherry red. I currently have a stock "suggestion lever"
installed, but I dream of precise shifting. see below for details... if
you have what I need let me know your price.

Also, if anyone has any tips for fabricating a replacement shift rod,
let me hear your ideas.

thanks,

nate

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I wrote to you last weekend regarding the shifter I'd purchased for my
car.
I purchased install kit no. 373-4734 which is supposedly the correct
part
number for this application; however, the 1-2 shift rod (part number
213-2138) simply does not fit. When trying to select second gear the
rod
hits the case of the transmission, and not in an area that can be
ground
for clearance. I have installed Hurst shifters on several other
Studebakers and have not had this issue. I spoke to one of your
representatives on Monday and basically was told that there couldn't be
a
problem due to quality control etc. I took the corresponding rod off of
a
Hurst on my '62 Stude and it appears similar but the bends are in
different
places; that rod works fine. The one that works is stamped "2138 28"
while
the new one that does not work is stamped "2138 24." I assumed that
there
still was a QC issue and ordered another complete install kit (they
didn't
have the rod in stock) from Jeg's planning on returning the one with
the
rod that didn't fit. The new kit has a 1-2 rod that appears identical
to
the one that I received last week. At this point I guess I have no
choice
but to bend the new rod to match the old one so that I can use my car,
but
I thought that you should be aware of this issue as the T-10 is a
common
transmission in other cars and I am sure you will be hearing from other
customers as they run into the same issue.

The rod that works has the following approximate lengths of straight
rod
between the bends, from the transmission end:

4-7/8" (center of pin to center of bend)
2-3/8" (center of bend to center of bend)
2-1/4" (same)

the last bend is very close to the threaded part of the rod.

the new rod, that doesn't work, is as follows:

4"
2-3/8"
2-1/4"

obviously now the last bend is over an inch away from the threaded part
of
the rod. this last bend is what runs into the trans. case when trying
to
select second gear. the bends appear to be similar in angle, and in the
same place relative to each other, just in the wrong places.

I hope you find this helpful.

thanks,

Nate Nagel
R1Lark - 14 Aug 2006 23:32 GMT
>I spoke to one of your representatives on Monday and basically was told that there
>couldn't be a problem due to quality control etc.

Don't you just love it when they say that?? Of course, it can't be
THEIR mistake, it must be (pick one):
The stupid consumer doesn't know how to install it........or
The stupid consumer doesn't know how to read our excellent
instructions......or
It really does work right, but the consumer is so stupid he doesn't
realize it.....or, my personal favorite:
We have never seen that problem before, but we have a kit you can buy
for $28 more dollars to correct that. <G>

Paul
John Poulos - 15 Aug 2006 01:02 GMT
what did Hurst have to say ???

> If anyone has an OLD Hurst Competition/Plus installation kit, p/n
> 373-4734, or a 1-2 shift rod, p/n 213-2138, I could sure use it. I've
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>
> Nate Nagel

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N8N - 15 Aug 2006 01:16 GMT
haven't gotten a response yet, was at job sites all day & no response
to the email I sent on Sat...

n

> what did Hurst have to say ???
>
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Studebaker George - 15 Aug 2006 02:01 GMT
I'm sorry to hear all this Nate.  I recently called the Hurst tech line
and the guy was EXTREMELY helpful and went WAY out of his way to help
me get the part I needed.  The twenty five year old (and long out of
production) cable for the Hurst automatic floor shifter in my old 64
Chevy truck with a turbo 400 broke and I couldn't find one listed on
any vendors sites.  The tech guy not only researched it and came up
with a number he thought would work, he also found out who amongst the
vendors had one and I got it from Jeg's in two days.  I was so happy I
sent the company a thank  you note.
Studebaker George
Studebaker Kid - 15 Aug 2006 08:29 GMT
N8N

Sorry torch bending did not work.  Have you tried reddy rod yet.  I
have used some of the hardened stuff with good success.
N8N - 15 Aug 2006 14:45 GMT
> N8N
>
> Sorry torch bending did not work.  Have you tried reddy rod yet.  I
> have used some of the hardened stuff with good success.

never heard of it, where do you buy this stuff?  if I could just find
some 3/8" steel rod that I could a) bend easily b) weld a washer onto
the end that works the shift fork and c) thread with a die on the other
end I would theoretically be good to go.

nate
Jerry Kaiser - 15 Aug 2006 15:50 GMT
I don't know if this will help or not but I used a Hurst kit for a Muncie 4
speed on the T10 I put in my 53 coupe.
I had it and was too cheap to spring for the correct one . With your problem
I am probably lucky I did not get the correct one.
It did take a little bending but not much. If I remember right I only had to
bend one rod. I don't remember which one.

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> nate
N8N - 15 Aug 2006 17:05 GMT
It might, do you happen to remember what application your install kit
was purchased for?  Hurst does actually have some pretty good online
docs.

thanks,

nate

> I don't know if this will help or not but I used a Hurst kit for a Muncie 4
> speed on the T10 I put in my 53 coupe.
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> > nate
Dustybob - 15 Aug 2006 17:58 GMT
Nate,
   Where is the part # stamped on the shift rods?  I got Thumper up in air
and I could look and see what I have on the 1-2 rod.

Dustybob
N8N - 15 Aug 2006 18:16 GMT
> Nate,
>     Where is the part # stamped on the shift rods?  I got Thumper up in air
> and I could look and see what I have on the 1-2 rod.
>
> Dustybob

see my original post (scroll down to the bottom) unfortunately the
"old" (works) and "new" (doesn't) rods appear to have the same part
number.

nate
leton@cfl.rr.com - 15 Aug 2006 22:50 GMT
Nate;

 What is your shift pattern, meaning where is reverse located ?
What transmission are you using , 61 T-10 or 62 and later ?
When all else fails , try linkage from a Chevy or Dodge to get the
right one.
You may have to change the arm on the transmission to get clearance.
Are you using hurst shift arms or stock arms ?
I have some old linkage that I will try to find, still attached to a
hurst shifter,
somewhere.
John
N8N - 16 Aug 2006 14:10 GMT
> Nate;
>
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> somewhere.
> John

it's out of a '62 GT, reverse is left and forward.  I'm using
everything that came with the Hurst kit listed for that application.  I
don't think I need any assistance right now; I have a couple people
already looking for the part I need that think they probably have it,
but thanks for the offer.  If you do happen to stumble across an old
Hurst for a Stude let me know though, I might want it anyway.

nate
 
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