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Bill Glass - 17 Aug 2006 00:18 GMT
Can a gas tank be welded? The HFH's 50 year old tank has developed a leak on
one of those ridges on the
underside. It is dripping a bunch of drops per minute, so I am keeping the
garage door open at night and an electric fan blowing the fumes out.

I thought I read or saw something on TV about a "super adhesive" that can be
applied over gas, but I migh be wrong.

Or where can I get a gas tank?

Bill
midlant@earthlink.net - 17 Aug 2006 00:48 GMT
Yes, a tank can be welded. Often times without blowing up. One guy in
San Jose got away with it seceral times - the only problem was the last
one.
The question is, should it?
A weakness at one place that causes a  leak may soon be somewhere else,
anyhow.

Just about anything can be done, given expertise, money and material.
As for me, I'd look for a good tank and get it cleaned and sealed, if
needed.

Karl

> Can a gas tank be welded? The HFH's 50 year old tank has developed a leak on
> one of those ridges on the
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>
> Bill
Jeff Rice - 17 Aug 2006 01:10 GMT
Take it out and take it to a radiator shop.
Jeff

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bobcaripalma@hotmail.com - 17 Aug 2006 01:28 GMT
Or, if you can afford it, to a Gas Tank Renu franchisee. They use two
different baked-on coatings; one for the outside and one for the
inside. The outside looks like baked-on undercoat; the inside coating
is different and guaranteed to be impervious to various modern
gasolines. The whole thing is guaranteed for as long as you own your
car. I had the tank done on our '56 Clipper hardtop about five years
ago and am very pleased. Cost was $285, though. BP

> Take it out and take it to a radiator shop.
> Jeff
Bob - 17 Aug 2006 02:09 GMT
I have used Gas Tank Renu 5 times over the years and the peace of mind  is
worth every penny.

Bob40.....fuel tanks/brakes/tires are the 3 areas I dont skimp on

> Or, if you can afford it, to a Gas Tank Renu franchisee. They use two
> different baked-on coatings; one for the outside and one for the
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>> Take it out and take it to a radiator shop.
>> Jeff
Bart Z. Lederman - 17 Aug 2006 16:41 GMT
I agree that welding can be done, but it should be done by
an expert.  The procedure recommended in my welding book is
to flush the tank with water several times, then place the
tank with the are to be welded facing up, and fill the tank
with water as much as possible to reduce the free air space
in the tank to the minimum to reduce the area that can hold
fumes.

Clearly, this is something that should be done by an expert.

I once succesfully repaired a gas tank using polyester resin
in a carrier (didn't have fiber glass on hand, used a paper
towel soaked in resin.  It didn't need a lot of strength, it
just had to hold the resin).  But if there are now products on
the market specifically designed for this purpose, use one of
them.
studegary - 17 Aug 2006 01:44 GMT
> Can a gas tank be welded? The HFH's 50 year old tank has developed a leak on
> one of those ridges on the
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>
> Bill

First, remove the gasoline, tank and/or Hawk from the garage.  IIRC,
your garage is part of your home.  You and Ellen are much too important
to take the risk.  Then, either replace or repair the tank.  You may
get some gasoline resistant two part epoxy to contain things until you
come up with a real fix for the problem.
Bill Glass - 17 Aug 2006 02:29 GMT
Cancel the leak............................. I put fuel in it yesterday, and
I wondered why it would only take 3 gallons. You know the old saying
"water seeks it own level"?  Well so does gas. The filler neck is way higher
than the sending unit. The fuel leak was out the TOP by the sending unit
and it ran down under the tank. and was dripping, as in running around the
tank and dripping from the bottom. I pulled the cover plate out of the trunk
floor floor, and there right on top of the sending unit was wet gas, a whole
bunch.

Tomorrow (we have garage open) I will clean off the sendig unit top and find
some fuel proof epoxy.

Since I have had the car, that sending unit has always been a sore point. I
think the PO, had had work done on the sending unit at some
point and whoever worked on it could not tighten the screws all the way.
There is no way to get a screw driver around to all the anchor points, plus
you cannot find a 56J sending unit.

Thanks
BG

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cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net - 17 Aug 2006 02:41 GMT
> Cancel the leak............................. I put fuel in it yesterday,
> and I wondered why it would only take 3 gallons. You know the old saying
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> Thanks
> BG

The gasket under the sending unit might be shot. It's an easy repair. My '54 coupe had the same problem. It took maybe and hour to fix.

Chip

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midlant@earthlink.net - 17 Aug 2006 02:46 GMT
Until it is really fixed...
Run it down to 1/4 then start looking for a gas station.
Stop filling when you've put in ten gallons.

That should do it for most driving conditions.

Karl

> Cancel the leak............................. I put fuel in it yesterday, and
> I wondered why it would only take 3 gallons. You know the old saying
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> >> on
studeluver@peoplepc.com - 17 Aug 2006 03:10 GMT
I had a leak in the 51 years ago and took it to a radiator shop and had
it boiled out. And soidered. And put in some sealer from Bill Hirsch in
Newark, NJ. And put POR 15 on the outside. Havn't had a leak in about 6
years or so
.
N8N - 17 Aug 2006 17:06 GMT
Why not R&R the sending unit, and use a new cork gasket coated with
Permatex No. 2 and copper washers under all the screws?  That should
work just fine...

nate

> Cancel the leak............................. I put fuel in it yesterday, and
> I wondered why it would only take 3 gallons. You know the old saying
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> >> on
Grumpy AuContraire - 18 Aug 2006 02:02 GMT
Good suggestion except that it's next to impossible to locate the
correct copper washers...

JT

> Why not R&R the sending unit, and use a new cork gasket coated with
> Permatex No. 2 and copper washers under all the screws?  That should
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> > >> on
Bill Glass - 18 Aug 2006 23:00 GMT
After driving the car for about an hour, which burned off the excess fuel, I
cleaned off the entire sending unit top, years of crude,
greasy junk etc. I thightened the screws, removed the sending unit wire,
cleaned off the contact and as I was putting the wire back on, I discoverd
that the fuel leak is actually at the "neck", where the tube coming out of
the tank makes the 90 degree turn towards the front of the car, and joins
with the fuel line.

As for the copper washers, ........ "I don't see  no stinkin copper
washers". What  is so special about these washers? I like the idea of using
the
Permatex No. 2, but where do I get a gasket for a 56J?

Thanks

Bill

> Why not R&R the sending unit, and use a new cork gasket coated with
> Permatex No. 2 and copper washers under all the screws?  That should
> work just fine...
cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net - 18 Aug 2006 23:08 GMT
> After driving the car for about an hour, which burned off the excess
> fuel, I cleaned off the entire sending unit top, years of crude,
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>
> Bill

Get some of the thick cork gasket material and cut one yourself. OCF, insert your joke here (                            ).   <GG>

Chip

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oldcarfart - 18 Aug 2006 23:56 GMT
HYLOMAR!  a 3M product used in aircraft industry, I get mine at NAPA,
looks like RTV.
> Cancel the leak............................. I put fuel in it yesterday, and
> I wondered why it would only take 3 gallons. You know the old saying
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> >> Can a gas tank be welded? The HFH's 50 year old tank has developed a leak
> >> on
Jerry Forrester - 17 Aug 2006 16:58 GMT
Juicy Fruit chewing gum. ABC varity.

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> Can a gas tank be welded? The HFH's 50 year old tank has developed a leak on
> one of those ridges on the
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>
> Bill
Ernie - 21 Aug 2006 06:05 GMT
Hi,

I removed mine and took it to a radiator shop, they cleaned it welded it and
put an epoxy coating in it for
under $200.00.

Ernie
 
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