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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006

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John Clements - 18 Aug 2006 10:59 GMT
According to this website http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Packard/

The mistake Packard made was to close their Detroit factory and consolidate
production in South Bend. Apparently the SB plant wasn't designed to make
cars as wide as the Packard, and by the time management realised it was too
late.

Packard production ended on 8/15/56.

They must have had poor management not to figure this out during the merger
process.

Avantilover
Barry - 18 Aug 2006 11:47 GMT
That was the day my sister was born, 50 years ago this week, but it was my
understanding that production ended in  June of '56.

> According to this website http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Packard/
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Kevin Wolford - 18 Aug 2006 11:49 GMT
During the Documentary "Studebaker - Less Than They Promised" an interview
was done with a former Stude Executive (I can't recall his name, I'll have
to watch the tape).  He described the merger as "Two drunks trying to help
each other across the street".

I think the sudden loss of the body supplier at Packard threw the company
into crisis.  Studebaker, geared up to do a quarter of a million cars a
year, was running at about half capacity.  Focus at Studebaker had shifted
from the boom war years to finding the break even point in a saturated
market.  Studebaker saw more volume by bringing in the much smaller Packard
volume.  The merger made sense on paper.

The reason it didn't work was financial.  Packard, being a much smaller
company, was overwhelmed by the volume at Studebaker.  The dealer force at
Studebaker was more powerful than the Packard dealer force.  The focus of
management  evolved into how to preserve the Studebaker volume, and that
buried the Packard mentality of high quality and low production.
Studebaker-Packard could not afford to do business in the Packard manner.
Studebaker couldn't afford to develop an introduce it's own new model, let
alone introduce a new Packard.  Packard was the purchaser of Studebaker on
paper, but that was only to satisfy investors and banks that Packard was in
control.  The name order of the merged company gives more insight into who
really was to end up calling the shots.

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bob m - 18 Aug 2006 15:00 GMT
> During the Documentary "Studebaker - Less Than They Promised" an interview
> was done with a former Stude Executive (I can't recall his name, I'll have
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Read the book,"The rise and fall of the Packard Motor Car Company"

1. Nance was in South Bend in 55 and 56.
2. AMC wanted to use the Studebaker V-8 and Nance said no, then wanted
to use the Nash six for cars and AMC said no. There was to be a sharing
of parts but it only went one way at first then not at all.
3. Packard sales collapsed in 56 by 67% over 55.
4. The companies may have made it if they had one or two more years to
work it out.
5. Packard sales dropped from around 90,000 in 53 to 28,000 in 54.
Studebaker 150,000 in 53 to 85,000 in 54.

What most people do not realize that all the seeds of doom were planted
in 1950 when all the independents share was at 15% of the market. There
was no need seen to merge then as Studebaker had it best volume year
ever. In 1953 two things happened. The first that gets all the
attention is the volume production between Ford and Chevrolet. The
second thing that happened is the Fed tighten up money supply in 1953
and did not loosen up to later in 1954. The end result was all the
independents saw market share drop to less than combined 7%.

Look at the housing market now. Fed has increased the interest rate for
the past 18 months. Granted there was investor money that fueled the
increase in prices that has now disappeared, but people are not in a
hurry to buy, except in certain markets such as Texas right now. The
refinance boom is over also for the time being except for people
needing cash out from the high equity in there home.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
jeep4cyl@aol.com - 18 Aug 2006 16:38 GMT
I always liked the 55 and 56 Packards.  They were more technically
advance in many ways then their compeditors.  I could never figure out
why they didn't sell better.  I heard that the Convertibles weren't
built until the had the money to build them and by that time the orders
were cancelled.  Americans want what they want now.

Oh well I prefer smaller cars and couldn't buy what I wanted then.
Today I have my 64 Convertible and it is evolving from a fun to drive
convertible to the car I would have odrered if Studebaker had bulit
them 1 more year with their own egines.

Geno

64 R2 Avanti

64 Daytona Convertible
bobcaripalma@hotmail.com - 18 Aug 2006 18:08 GMT
Geno:

The 1955 Packards didn't sell better because they couldn't build them.
Complications with an all-new assembly plant (Conner Avenue) that
proved to be too small, Packard having to make their own bodies because
Chrysler said "no" after buying former Packard body supplier Briggs,
and minor issues with the new V-8 and Torsion-Level, all conspired to
keep early production 'way down. The dealers just had no cars to sell.
I know; I was there.

To wit: As most Turning Wheels readers know, my father was a Packard
dealer from 1953 through 1956. He and his brother were real excited
about the new '55 Packards; they looked good and finally had a V-8
under the hood...and a good, powerful one to boot.

But umpteen production snafus kept the cars from getting to the
dealers...and when they did finally start trickling in, they were
plaqued with quality-control issues.

Point: It was either the last week of January or the first week of
February 1955 before my Dad got his FIRST -repeat, FIRST- 1955 Packard
of any kind. He was so frustrated he wrote his own advertisement (I
still have a copy, as printed in the local paper), encouraging
customers to wait until they had some new 1955 Packards to show and
sell at Palma Motors.

I've heard the following story at least a dozen times through the
years, so I am sure it is true:

By Christmas 1954, of course, all the dealers had been selling 1955
everythings for several months. But Palma Motors wasn't selling any
Packards, that's for sure.They were doing OK selling Nashes and
Ramblers, but no Packards because there were none to be had.

Into the dealership during Christmas vacation 1954 walks an existing
Packard customer with college-age son in tow, home from college for
Christmas. Son had been given permission to pick out the next family
car and really liked the new Packard Clippers, so in they came to Palma
Motors to buy one. Oops! No 1955 Packards or Clippers in stock and none
on the way.

Before Christmas vacation was over, Dad saw that customer and his son
tooling around town in a new Buick Special. Multiply that scenario by
several thousand and you get the idea of why 1955 Packard sales were
nowhere near as good as they could have been.

Then, by the time the improved 1956s came out, the quality issues of
the 1955s were becoming well known. 1956 was a down year for the
industry after the red-hot 1955 model year anyhow, so the Packard
casket got lowered into the grave. Bob Palma

> I always liked the 55 and 56 Packards.  They were more technically
> advance in many ways then their compeditors.  I could never figure out
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TomNoller - 19 Aug 2006 00:02 GMT
Right on, Bob!  A strong family tie here.
http://www.tomnoller.com/Avanti.html
 
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