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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2006Replacement thermal type fan clutch for 63 Avanti
Just over a year ago, I replaced the original thermal fan clutch with a non-thermal type from one of our vendors. At the time it seemed that the only options were this non-thermal replacement, or to get a thermal type (which I'd prefer) for a Brand X and try to machine the pilot hole to fit an Avanti water pump. Now after very limited use my replacement clutch has started to leak fluid, so thought I'd see if anyone is aware of new thermal replacements or other ways to "skin this cat". Peter Sant from the Avanti group apparently had an adapter made for his car a few years ago so a more common thermal clutch could be used. I've also e-mailed him to see how it worked out for him. Many thanks in advance, Chris Collins, Atlanta 1963 Avanti R2 1966 Cruiser > Just over a year ago, I replaced the original thermal fan clutch with a > non-thermal type from one of our vendors. At the time it seemed that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Many thanks in advance, Chris Collins, Atlanta 1963 Avanti R2 > 1966 Cruiser let us know how it works out; I am still not aware of a bolt on thermostatic type clutch for a Stude. Someone gave me a Brand-X interchange once, but when I tried to track it down, I found that it was out of production. (don't even remember what car it was, Cadillac maybe?) nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Studebaker International sells the correct replacement for $68.00 > > Just over a year ago, I replaced the original thermal fan clutch with a > > non-thermal type from one of our vendors. At the time it seemed that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel SI has the thermostatically controlled fan now ?? > Studebaker International sells the correct replacement for $68.00 > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> replace "fly" with "com" to reply. >> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) 63 R1 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1 63 Avanti R2 63 Daytona convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 60 Lark Convert 51 Commander Fan clutch John. Part #1560257 > SI has the thermostatically controlled fan now ?? > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > 60 Lark Convert > 51 Commander If you use a brand x clutch and machine the pilot hole to be the same size as the Stude fan clutch hole it will weaken the flange to where it will probably break. Just not enough meat there. This was told to me by a tech person from Imperial fan clutches. jimmijim > Fan clutch John. Part #1560257 > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > 60 Lark Convert > > 51 Commander That's a factory part number and I'm sure they don't have them. You actually bought a thermostatically controlled clutch from SI ? All I get from them are the repro units without the bi-metal strip. > Fan clutch John. Part #1560257 > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> 60 Lark Convert >> 51 Commander SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) 63 R1 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1 63 Avanti R2 63 Daytona convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 60 Lark Convert 51 Commander It would be nice if someone were to offer a factory like replacement. jimmijim > That's a factory part number and I'm sure they don't have them. You > actually bought a thermostatically controlled clutch from SI ? All I get [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > 60 Lark Convert > 51 Commander Yes John, it is a repo. From the original post I thought the part was being described as not available at all and that some jakey part was being used so I mentioned the repro part from S.I. > It would be nice if someone were to offer a factory like replacement. > jimmijim [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > 60 Lark Convert > > 51 Commander nope, just that the OP was asking about *thermostatic* fan clutches, which are not available. The only real downside to using the non-thermostatic fan clutch is a little more fan noise and a slight parasitic drag. nate > Yes John, it is a repo. From the original post I thought the part was > being described as not available at all and that some jakey part was [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > > 60 Lark Convert > > > 51 Commander Are the clutches mounted straight to the water pump or is there a spacer between the pump and clutch? If there is a spacer why could you not machine the spacer down to fit one of the thermostatic clutches. Henry > That's a factory part number and I'm sure they don't have them. You > actually bought a thermostatically controlled clutch from SI ? All I get [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >>> 60 Lark Convert >>> 51 Commander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 369 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! On a lark/hawk there is no spacer. I believe it is the same on an Avanti but am not sure. nate > Are the clutches mounted straight to the water pump or is there a spacer > between the pump and clutch? If there is a spacer why could you not machine [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! Usually, there ain't 'nuff room for a spacer anyway. BTW, didn't the thermostatic drives come after the Studebaker era? JT > On a lark/hawk there is no spacer. I believe it is the same on an > Avanti but am not sure. [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > > Try SPAMfighter for free now! No, all "R" engines, and all engines with factory A/C after some year that I can't remember at the moment came with a thermostatic fan clutch (called "viscous drive" in the parts book) nate > Usually, there ain't 'nuff room for a spacer anyway. > [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] >>>Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>Try SPAMfighter for free now! Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > Usually, there ain't 'nuff room for a spacer anyway. > > BTW, didn't the thermostatic drives come after the Studebaker era? My Avantis and my '64 Daytona Wagonaire w a/c have original thermostatic fan drives. The first Avanti I had would get hot with the a/c on and as the thermal strip tightened in the fan hub it would cause the fan to really howl. Paul Johnson When I got my Hawk it had the thermostatic fan, but it soon gave up the ghost. I replaced it with the repro that is non-thermo, everthing was cool. I built up the R2 engine and took the clutch to the parts house to have one bolt hole heli-coiled. They wrecked it by drilling too deep. I got another new repro non-thermo and it made the car sound like an airplane. I picked up a used one of the originals, but it too was a failed unit. I finally went to a machine shop and had them make a spacer so I could use a thermostatic fan that is used on Cadillacs, Corvettes and some GMCs. I wish I could say it is perfect, but the fan is still noisy at times, though mostly it is quiet, particularly on the Interstate. Tim K. > > Usually, there ain't 'nuff room for a spacer anyway. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > howl. > Paul Johnson Your solution is probably good for a Hawk, but space in front of an Avanti fan is at a premium. Not sure if you could make a spacer thin enough to work, but thick enough to clear the nose of the pump. If anyone would like to donate an Avanti for me to try this on, I'll try it out and let you know in a couple of years :) nate > When I got my Hawk it had the thermostatic fan, but it soon gave up the > ghost. I replaced it with the repro that is non-thermo, everthing was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>howl. >>Paul Johnson Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel What percentage of the time do you figure that the fan is actually needed? Think electric. Quiet, except whan needed. No gasoine used, except whan needed. No added weight/force on pump bearings and belt.... Karl > Your solution is probably good for a Hawk, but space in front of an > Avanti fan is at a premium. Not sure if you could make a spacer thin [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel No spacer > Are the clutches mounted straight to the water pump or is there a spacer > between the pump and clutch? If there is a spacer why could you not machine > the spacer down to fit one of the thermostatic clutches. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 65 Daytona Sports Sedan 64 Daytona HT 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) 63 R1 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R1 63 Avanti R2 63 Daytona convert 62 Lark 2 door 60 Hawk 60 Lark Convert 51 Commander Peter Sant sent me the following indicating what he did: " I use a thermal fan clutch from CarQuest Part number 77230. I had my local machine shop make an adapter using aluminum. The adaptor mates up with the large diameter snout of the Avanti water pump and the other end is the diameter of the Carquest unit.. The adaptor takes up less than 5/16" space fitting between the water pump and the fan clutch. It can be made from a piece of aluminum about 9/16" thick" The Carquest 77230 crosses over to a Hayden 2705 and an Imperial 215049. Fits a lot of 1970s-80s GM applications in the 350/403/455 family. I picked up one of those clutches; once we get an adapter made and installed I'll report how it works. Chris |
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