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John Poulos - 24 Aug 2006 05:10 GMT
I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I
spoke to some polite but clueless folks from India that tried
unsuccessfully to fix it. The fifth time was a charm because that seems
to be the magic number that refers you to "advanced tech support",
translation: A tech in the USA who actually is a trained support tech.
He took a few minutes checking my cable upload and download speed and
told me he would increase the size of my buffer on my phone line and
call me back. 10 minutes later he calls and I can tell instantly he had
made a major improvement.
   I went through exactly the same drill with Dish network until I got
a real tech who told me they had cut the USA tech staff by 70% and let
the Indians try and solve the easy stuff. The problem is the only stuff
they could fix were so simple I'd already tied them. i.e., they kept
telling me to reset my dish receiver by unplugging it, a trick I'd
learned from a tech two years ago or make sure my TV was on channel 3
even though I was using the monitor inputs.
   I'm sure the companies are saving a bundle by operating like that,
but customer service sure has dropped.
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Grumpy AuContraire - 24 Aug 2006 05:46 GMT
Hopefully, payback will come after enough people get p-o'd.  Some banks
have closed their overseas customer service offices due to inferior service.

JT

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Mark Anderson - 24 Aug 2006 12:08 GMT
I'm in the IT industry and nearly everytime I need to place any type of
call for technical support be it Cisco, Novell, Veritas, etc., you get
some Indian who barely speaks the language on the phone.

I once had to ask for someone else because the accent was so thick I
couldn't understand a word he said.

Mark
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> Hopefully, payback will come after enough people get p-o'd.  Some banks
> have closed their overseas customer service offices due to inferior service.
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Jeff Rice - 24 Aug 2006 12:22 GMT
Sounds like Aladambama <lol>..

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Jerry Forrester - 24 Aug 2006 15:48 GMT
Hey, I resemble that remark. <G>

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Lee Aanderud - 24 Aug 2006 13:58 GMT
Dell Computer tried this with their commercial tech support.  After 6 months
of hearing corporations threatening to go to Gateway, HP, Compaq they
quickly resumed US tech support for commercial accounts.  Home users are
still stuck with guys in India named Dave, Jeff, and Bob.

Lee

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Grumpy AuContraire - 24 Aug 2006 15:54 GMT
Yep...  Another way you can tell that they are out of country is the
extreme courtesy etc.  This country will eventually rue the day that the
politicos decided to de-industrialize..

JT

> Dell Computer tried this with their commercial tech support.  After 6 months
> of hearing corporations threatening to go to Gateway, HP, Compaq they
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Jeff Rice - 24 Aug 2006 12:19 GMT
Their music on hold doot doot song would drive me nutz <lol>
Jeff

"John Poulos" wrote...
>    I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
> phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I spoke
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>    I'm sure the companies are saving a bundle by operating like that, but
> customer service sure has dropped.

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Mark Dunning - 24 Aug 2006 13:22 GMT
I killed Vonage because of poor quality and incompetent tech support.

too bad - I would have liked  the free LD.

MD
>    I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
> phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I spoke
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>    I'm sure the companies are saving a bundle by operating like that, but
> customer service sure has dropped.
itraseecab@aol.com - 24 Aug 2006 15:04 GMT
I had similar problems with HP. I had to ask to speak to a supervisor
because I could not understand the tech person from India.  I finally
got someone in Canada and she apologized for the language problems and
indicated complaints were growing because of difficulties like mine.
Problem is the bean counters don't get it yet. People are getting angry
about such service, or lack thereof.
Joe Roberts
> I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
> phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I
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Robert Black - 24 Aug 2006 15:21 GMT
This third world country competion stuff is driving a lot of people nuts.
The company I work for also has a plant in Mexico. I was talking to a
supervisor who just got back from there,he had some weird stories to tell.
Like how they pay the work force their pesos at the end of every day,the
workers demand it,and its hard to have the same guys in a crew for a whole
week.Turnover is just nuts,their constantly having to train new
workers,which really makes QA suck. The Banditos stole the payroll one day.
The heat is so wicked in a rail car plant in Mexico city that there are guys
passing out all the time.Knife fights break out on the floor and in the
lunch rooms. They might have to pay us more,but we do build good cars.
>I had similar problems with HP. I had to ask to speak to a supervisor
> because I could not understand the tech person from India.  I finally
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Bill Glass - 25 Aug 2006 02:21 GMT
Don't get me started on this issue. The last straw with Dell was when I got
a guy on the phone

Can I have your name ............. I tell him
Can I have your address, zipcode and telephone number.....I tell him

Him.... he repeats everything using the Navel method of spellin B for Bravo
etc., all the way thru my name, address and telephone number
How can I help you
My computer will not boot
Is your computer on
Yes, it is on
Let me see if I understand, your computor is on, but won't boot up, is that
correct
Yes
Can you tell me when this started
Just before I called you
So your computer was was working up and until you called Dell
No, my computer doesn't work that is why I called Dell
Let me see, sir if I understand, your computer was working, then it stopped
working so you called tech support
Yes
Okay so the computer was working then stopped, and now it does not work and
that is why you called here
YES
May I have your computers Express service code
I enetered that in, when I called
I understand, but I still need it
I give it to him
Would you turn off the computer, and remove the power cord, and remove the
battery
( I did what he said)
(Me) Okay. cord removed battery out
(Him) Okay so I am clear, you have removed the power cord and removed the
battery
YES
Would you please put the battery in, attach the power cord and power up the
computer
Okay done
It will not boot
Sir, am I correct that you have removed the battery, removed the power cord,
and then put the battery back in, and attached the power cord?
YES
What do you see
NOTHING
Sir, please bear with me, but have you had this problem before
NO YOU DUMB f.ck and hung up.
The next morning I called my IT guy, he comes over and uses a special boot
disk, one that does not come with Dell Computers
Computer bots up just fine......... You got mail........ Our records
indicate you called Dell on (date) would you mind filling out this
questionaire about the qualityof service from our technical department.

Now Dell claims that if you have a broadband hook up, with the customers
permission they will fix the problem from their facilities and talk you thru
each step as they go thru your screens and files.

This could be VERY interesting, talk about big brother watching you.

BG

>    I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
> phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I spoke
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>    I'm sure the companies are saving a bundle by operating like that, but
> customer service sure has dropped.
Lee Aanderud - 25 Aug 2006 03:00 GMT
In XP you have Remote Desktop in the Start | Programs | Accessories |
Communications folder.  Once you give permissions, they can access that
computer or server from any machine with internet access... it gets a little
more involved if you're going through a home switch/router.  There's no more
running (sneakernet) to a desktop if someone calls with problems, you just
enter in their machine or IP address and you've taken over their
workstation.  People initially freak out when I tell them I'm taking over
their machine at work from my laptop through my wireless connection... it's
a cool geeky thing until you realize that you've just given them another
reason to call you at home.  Last week a friend of mine reinstalled software
on a secretary's computer last week using his laptop connected to his cell
phone... he was out on the Outer Banks, NC fishing at the time.

Lee

> Now Dell claims that if you have a broadband hook up, with the customers
> permission they will fix the problem from their facilities and talk you
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> BG
Grumpy AuContraire - 25 Aug 2006 04:03 GMT
> Don't get me started on this issue. The last straw with Dell was when I got
> a guy on the phone
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> BG

Better put all that porn on a separate drive and make sure you have it
off when you're onna net!

<G>

JT
betrtimes - 26 Aug 2006 05:21 GMT
well, I paid for the info, so I will share it

if your DELL desktop acts goofy, the quickest and easiest way to fix it is
to do a factory restore.

turn off computer
tuen on computer, while holding down CTRL button

while its booting up, and you have CTRL button down, hit F11 several times

that will take you back to where you can restore it to like new...

I keep my important files on a external hard drive now, and copy e-mails
that I want to keep to three freebie e-mail accts I use for storage

works for my Dell Dimension B110

piece a crap
Ron Griffith - 25 Aug 2006 03:42 GMT
Two related experiences:

Called long distance information by dialing area code I wanted and 555-1212.
Got an operator in India.  I could not understand her and she could not
understand me.  Finally, she said she understood whose number I needed and
gave me a number.  When I dialed the number I got a party whose name was
remotely like the one I needed.  I called information back immediately to
ask for a credit for the information call and was told in broken English
that a credit could not be issued.  In my frustration I dialed "0" and got
an American operator.  She explained that I needed to call LD info back and
demand to speak to the supervisor, who could issue a credit.  She told me to
be sure and ask for credit for three info calls because my initial call and
both subsequent calls would result in charges.  She explained that thiswas a
common problem.

On another occassion, I received a sales call trying to get me to join a
National Small Business group that provided representation for US businesses
in Washington.  When I was unable to understand much of what the person on
the phone was saying, I asked if the call was coming from India and the
caller replied "yes".  Of course I did not join the group, nor will I.  It
takes a lot of balls to have a boiler room in India calling US businessmen
asking that they pay dues to have your group represent them.

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>    I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
> phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I spoke
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>    I'm sure the companies are saving a bundle by operating like that, but
> customer service sure has dropped.
t@auzinger.org - 31 Aug 2006 13:35 GMT
Based on what I read about Vonage on broadbandreports.com I didn't even
touch it and went a different route with excellent customer service.
See my review (for what it's worth) at:

http://www.betterphone.org

Thanks,

Thomas

> I had some problems with drop out on my Vonage voice over Internet
> phone service so I called tech support. First four times I called I
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> 60 Lark Convert
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