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Robert W Hughes - 24 Jan 2007 16:18 GMT WHAT TEACHERS MAKE ...The dinner guests were sitting around the table discussing life.
One man, a CEO, decided to explain the problem with education.
He argued, "What's a kid going to learn from someone who decided his best option in life was to become a teacher?"
He reminded the other dinner guests what they say about teachers:
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
To stress his point he said to another guest; "You're a teacher, Bonnie.
Be honest. What do you make?"
Bonnie, who had a reputation for honesty and frankness replied, "You want to know what I make? (She paused for a second, then began...)
"Well, I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could.
I make a C+ feel like the Congressional Medal of Honor.
I make kids sit through 40 minutes of class time when their parents can't make them sit for 5 without an I Pod, Game Cube or movie rental...
You want to know what I make?" (She paused again and looked at each and
every person at the table.)
I make kids wonder.
I make them question.
I make them criticize.
I make them apologize and mean it.
I make them have respect and take responsibility for their actions.
I teach them to write and then I make them write.
I make them read, read, read
I make my students from other countries learn everything they need to know in English while preserving their unique cultural identity.
I make my classroom a place where all my students feel safe.
I make my students stand to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, because we live in the United States of America .
Finally, I make them understand that if they use the gifts they were given, work hard, and follow their hearts, they can succeed in life.
(Bonnie paused one last time and then continued.)
"Then, when people try to judge me by what I make, I can hold my head up high and pay no attention because they are ignorant... You want to know what I make?
I MAKE A DIFFERENCE. What do you make?"
Pat Drnec - 24 Jan 2007 16:41 GMT We did, yesterday when Karl posted it.
> WHAT TEACHERS MAKE ...The dinner guests were sitting around the table > discussing life.  Signature Remove the Studebaker to email.
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studegary - 24 Jan 2007 21:58 GMT > WHAT TEACHERS MAKE ...The dinner guests were sitting around the table > discussing life. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > I MAKE A DIFFERENCE. What do you make?" Around here, experienced teachers make more than $100K for 2/3s of a year. The teachers retirement is about twice what someone in industry with an equivalent education and years of service gets. The teacher has superior benefits to someone in private enterprise, both when working and when retired.
SilverStude - 24 Jan 2007 22:22 GMT >> WHAT TEACHERS MAKE ...The dinner guests were sitting around the table >> discussing life. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > has superior benefits to someone in private enterprise, both when > working and when retired. Fairfax County, VA....I know 2 teachers, one a principal, who had to retire at 55 or they would lose money from their pension fund. They have both commented that they make more, from the fund, than they were paid as educators...
Mark Anderson - 25 Jan 2007 12:08 GMT Where is around here? I need to talk to my wife about moving<g>. Seriously, once you've lived with a teacher you'll realize that only working 2/3s of a year is a myth.
Of course, the time off for spring break, Christmas break, fall break and Thanksgiving are nice<g>.
> >Around here, experienced teachers make more than $100K for 2/3s of a > year. The teachers retirement is about twice what someone in industry > with an equivalent education and years of service gets. The teacher > has superior benefits to someone in private enterprise, both when > working and when retired.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Pckstude - 25 Jan 2007 15:13 GMT I'm all for teachers. Having been a school bus driver I can certainly have empathy for all they try to do against overwhelming odds of parents shortfalls in raising their kids and expecting the school to teach their kids things in life that they, the parents, should be. However, at the same time I have seen what tenure can do. It can foster bad teachers to continue their less than adequate job skills and bad personalities that works against what the good teachers are trying to do. While also showing the kids that such inadequacies are not addressed, but rather awarded with continued employment. That's why I would be against tenure. In the respect of job performance teachers should no be different than anyone else. Whether one works in a factory, or an office job, if u don't perform to a certain level u will be called on it, and fired if need be without a lot of protection to keep ur boss from doing so. And in the schools that I've seen many teachers run in a tight clique. This not only continues to foster and support inadequate teachers, but it unduly punishes a good teacher who is not part of that clique. So goes the human way of things, but in the end this is what happens on both sides of this subject. And as long as I "have ur ear", there is the matter of the great under appreciation for bus drivers, who are not morally supported by school systems, and teachers themselves, but also by the parents. The school districts under pay the bus drivers. A garbage truck driver makes more than a bus driver and gets more respect. My beef was always this. How can u treat a person that hauls around the most precious cargo that anyone could possibly carry with such lack of respect and low pay? Something seems terribly out of whack on that one. And yes, there are some bad bus drivers too. Oh, and might I add that school bus drivers also has to play babysitter to some people's brats as they are trying to maneuver thru traffic and weather conditions. U all know how hard it is just to control ur two kids in the back seat of the car. Now put about 40 of those kids behind u while ur driving and see how well u do. Granted, there are many good kids out there who mind their p's and q's, but how many kids does it take for the driver to get distracted and take his eyes off the road? Support ur teachers, and bus drivers! They have been given the most precious jobs anyone can have. Teaching and protecting ur kids and ur grandkids!
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Paul Johnson - 25 Jan 2007 20:55 GMT I don't usually top post in response to postings, but your post is too good to chop up. First, you certainly have my respect. My wife's brother-in-law drove a school bus early, then taught high school math all day then drove a bus again into the evening. Some of the stories he told... I met a couple several weeks ago- a school bus driver with an English teacher wife. He, too, had some real tales. He said he should write a book and I told him he sure should. One story of parental uninvolvement was about one kid hitting another as he got on the bus- totally unprovoked. The driver put him off the bus. The mom was irate and wouldn't believe him when he told her he had the bus videotape of the incident. Mom demanded to see the tape. So, he took off work from his mid-day job, got the principal who got the kid and they all went to the library to look at the tape. They also had to clear the library/study hall for privacy purposes. Mom saw the tape, didn't say a word, just stomped out. Funny thing was, the tape playback "accidentally" was broadcast over the school's video system to all classrooms. Paul Johnson
> I'm all for teachers. Having been a school bus driver I can > certainly have empathy for all they try to do against overwhelming odds [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - midlant@earthlink.net - 25 Jan 2007 23:02 GMT On Jan 25, 12:55 pm, "Paul Johnson" <thejohns...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I don't usually top post in response to postings, but your post is too good > to chop up. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > precious jobs anyone can have. Teaching and protecting ur kids and ur > > grandkids! Ya know, we gotta take subject into account, though.
If it's math / science, as I studied, get the right nuimber at the end and it's fine. If a math error led to a wrong number, but the theory was right, give half-credit.
But an English teacher correcting a poorly scrawled composition should get combat pay!
Karl
Mike Hunter - 25 Jan 2007 17:32 GMT Two of my daughter are teachers, one is a state police officer. My one son is an Attorney, the other retired military. My one daughter met her husband in collage. They graduated with the same degree. He works for a fire truck manufacturer and earns twice as much as my teacher daughter for his 2080 annual work hours, my daughter works 1600 hours. My retired sons military pension is more than either of my two teacher daughters. My trooper daughter makes more than any of them but she never can be sure somebody may shoot at her and she works lot of OT. When she goes on pension in two years will get 2/3 of her salary. The Attorney makes more than three of them combined, but he is rarely home.
I tell my grand daughters, when you fall in love and you want a live very well, fall in love an Attorney. If you want to retire at around age fifty, fall in love with a cop or a military officer. If on the other hand you want your husband to spend nights, weekends, holiday and snowy days with you and the children, fall in love with a teacher LOL
mike
> Where is around here? I need to talk to my wife about moving<g>. > Seriously, once you've lived with a teacher you'll realize that only [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> has superior benefits to someone in private enterprise, both when >> working and when retired.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Robert W Hughes - 24 Jan 2007 22:22 GMT oops, forgot overly helpful application does its own addressing. Take it as compliment to original sender
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