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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / June 2007

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coming home in pieces-- a rant

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ceecab - 25 Jun 2007 23:27 GMT
just ignore me- i'm just a tad pissed

Three years ago i did an extensive business website for a buddy of mine
who is a metal artist and custom  car painter in exchange for a black and
white paint job on my '55 coupe [ his idea to do whatever body work it
needed , which wasn't very much]
I spent all summer working underneath   fixing whatever was needed and
tore the car down to a shell, and trucked it 40 miles to his garage two
years ago
Last summer i spent all of june sanding and filling on the body , leaving
only the hood and one front fender to finish for paint, and went and drove
my schoolbus for the rest of the summer, with his promise to  finish it

Before the nationals i went out to his place and found th car- exactly as
i left it one year ago except for chevy fendrs and somones bumper piled on
top
Bare metal fender- bare metal hood-- even a piece of 400 paper laying on
the roof  where i had left it

I am going out tomorrow to bring all the loose pieces home= then looking
for a hauler to bring the shell
Then taking out a loan to finish the car by next year

yeah- before you ask-- his website is going to disappear when the wheels
of my car hit the grass in my yard

Three years wasted
Itsfrom Click - 26 Jun 2007 00:21 GMT
I hear ya.....but don't feel too bad.  After a couple false starts, the
resto shop that has my '57 Clipper promised to absolutely, positvely
have it ready for the international meet.......the Packard International
in Warren, 1999.

It's been almost done for years.......pretty sure the guy is hoping I'll
die so he can put a lien on it and keep it for himself - or sell.
dwcars - 26 Jun 2007 00:23 GMT
I sympathize.  At least he was only a friend.. I have a rock solid bone
stock 57 Chevy hardtop dual quad stick shift car that was frame off restored
in the early 80's,,,,,, uinfortunately painted in lacquer.  The paint did
not hold up well.  Seven years ago my brother (who runs a restoration shop)
took the car apart, bare metaled it, repainted it in Deltron, and partially
reassembled it.  Its still not done, and I can't get him to finish it.
I'm thinking about taking it to a competitors shop to get it finished.  So
much for family.  Its not as if I'm getting the work for free!!!!!
> just ignore me- i'm just a tad pissed
>
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> Three years wasted
Jeff Rice - 26 Jun 2007 00:25 GMT
Now don't take offense to this reply, because it is just an opinion based on
observation and experience...
I have heard of literally a dozen examples of what you describe, and have
had the dubious experience of having it happen to me, too...
But....
In general...
Studebaker people are such cheap bastards that they will cut off their own
noses to get a cheap-a.s'ed deal and save a buck.
That's fine when the economy sucks and the people who actually provide the
service need the work...
But lately there is a rush of new money in the hobby with people willing to
pay up front for the top shelf work.
That leaves the cheap-a.s'ed Stude guy sucking hind tit.
So, if you want to play the big boy game... Step up and play with today's
dollars...
Otherwise, be prepared to do the labor rate exchange with a LOT of your own
sweat (as compared to a few years ago).
Hell... Nash Solanki selling that R-3 engine was a real wake up call...
He got his price ( and we all groaned )...
Did he deserve it?
You friggin' betcha he did...
Mad about it?
No....
Don't be mad because you are jealous...
And as far as poor performance on an agreed to deal?
Well, a written contract is a whole lot better than a handshake in these
litigious days...
I really do feel for you, because I have walked the path you are on...
Bitter?
Nope...not me...
Jeff (until the next time, that is <g>) Rice

"ceecab" wrote...
> just ignore me- i'm just a tad pissed
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John Poulos - 26 Jun 2007 01:11 GMT
BTW, the guy that bought the R3 engine from Solanki is a radiologist and
German car collector and has decided not to use the engine in his 4000
mile Avanti.

> Now don't take offense to this reply, because it is just an opinion based on
> observation and experience...
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>> just ignore me- i'm just a tad pissed
> <snip>

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Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com
My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

Jeff - 26 Jun 2007 01:21 GMT
So it's gonna be what... A coffee  table? <lol>...
Jeff (Stupid doctors with money...They need to be sued..) Rice

> BTW, the guy that bought the R3 engine from Solanki is a radiologist and
> German car collector and has decided not to use the engine in his 4000
> mile Avanti.
oldcarfart - 26 Jun 2007 02:27 GMT
> Now don't take offense to this reply, because it is just an opinion based on
> observation and experience...
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my wife swears I am salty & bitter (sailor issue? <grin>), nobody can
screw you better than friends or family.
mcavanti - 26 Jun 2007 00:41 GMT
I learned a long time ago never to tell them "I'm in no hurry just work it
in". I waited over three years for them to finish  a 57 Golden Hawk. . It
was a never ending battle just to keep telling them  that I do need it
finished. Since then I have relied on my brother and cousin who have a
"Hobby" shop and do complete restorations..As long as they get paid at the
end of two weeks it stays..Miss a payment and it is out the door and goes to
the end of the line.(minimum three year wait) Good business practice. It
keeps everyone happy. If you have to get a loan so be it. At least it will
get finished. I've seen a friend of mine  who took $5K up front to start on
a Corvette never receive another cent from the guy the whole time he worked
on it..then when it was done he didn't have the funds to pay. My friend
tried to sue but lost on some technicality. He did get about .15 cents on a
dollar. He since has changed to a pay as you go (weekly) or out it goes.
BTW Even though they were my relatives I only got a $5 a hour discount and
didn't expect that. But it was worth the professional work that I couldn't
do.
Dave B.
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> Three years wasted
N8N - 26 Jun 2007 13:04 GMT
> I learned a long time ago never to tell them "I'm in no hurry just work it
> in".

Truer words were never spoken.  Some people correctly understand those
words to mean "I don't need this done for a couple months, so take
care of the stuff the guy is screaming about first" but far too many
interpret it as "I don't really ever need this done, in fact, I'm just
giving you this car because it's cheaper than renting a storage
locker."  I made the mistake of uttering those fateful words to a
chrome shop once; they had my (two small) parts for over a year!

nate
Jerry Forrester - 26 Jun 2007 23:54 GMT
wasn't me.

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thanks,
Jerry Forrester
check out my ebay store....
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME

> > I learned a long time ago never to tell them "I'm in no hurry just work it
> > in".
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> nate
Nate Nagel - 27 Jun 2007 01:17 GMT
> wasn't me.

No it sure wasn't.  It wasn't anyone on this newsgroup actually, it was
a local shop.

nate

(just thought I'd clear that up.)

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Rick Courtier - 27 Jun 2007 13:37 GMT
That's a good thing. . . <G>  I got a box full of stuff coming up to you as
soon as I get over to Lloyds to pick it up!

When does he need it? Yesterday! How much does he want to paid?  What it
isn't free!

Good, I got that out of the way. . . <lol>

Rick

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Jerry Forrester - 29 Jun 2007 15:08 GMT
If he wanted it yesterday, he should have brought it to me last Dec. <G>

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thanks,
Jerry Forrester
check out my ebay store....
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME

> That's a good thing. . . <G>  I got a box full of stuff coming up to you as
> soon as I get over to Lloyds to pick it up!
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> > wasn't me.
John Poulos - 26 Jun 2007 01:07 GMT
I'm being paid as a expert witness on a condition 2 coupe that was in
for a repaint and to have AC added to the R3 engine. They sand blasted
the car and pulled the front of the engine off and parted it outside.The
car is pretty much trashed.

> just ignore me- i'm just a tad pissed
>
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>
> Three years wasted

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JP/Maryland
Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com
My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

64daytonaht - 29 Jun 2007 17:03 GMT
Did you douch his website, yet?

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