On Nov 8, 8:24 am, itrasee...@aol.com wrote:

OK , I am roflmao @ Jeff Rices reply.I totally agree with Bo's
assesment of the lack of responsibility,but I am not sure its just the
liberal left to blame. That is more a sociatal issue overall IMHO.
And I really appreciate the thought put into,and agree with Gregs
reply. Again,I admit this was a bad idea,but it was based in the good
thought of saving others aggravation."No good deed goes un punished"
area I guess.
 And thanks to Henry for the attaboy.With that in mind,here is my
good guy list:
Ted Harbit,wonderfull gentleman,never made me fell stupid for asking
stupid questions! Jim Turner,here is a guy that has become more than
an evil vender,but a real friend.Lee DeLabarre,this guy has bailed my
butt out more than one time,allways has time to educate me or send me
in the right direction ,and too has become a real friend. Jim
Lawarance at FBN Interiors,another gracious gentleman and a guy I owe
a beer or two to. Bo Markham has been a pleasure to deal with,as has
our own JohnnyP. Studebaker International has been good too.They sent
me the wrong item one time,and more than made it up to me.SASCO,
Dennis and Dave Spilski,never have they done me wrong! They too have
become real friends.Jeff Rice,another good dude to trade with,another
guy I consider a friend. James Maxie,more than fair in buisness
dealings.Rex Miltonberger,of antique Studebaker fame,guy never knew me
from Adam,and went out of his way to help a brother Stude nut out.One
of the first guys who showed me the comraderie of Studebaker
nuts.Jerry Forrester is another fantastic individual,business wise and
personally.BobPalma,wish i knew half the Studebaker knowledge he has
forgotten! Richard Quinn,another good guy who went out of his way to
get me what I wanted.Bondo Billy and Ellen,more fantastic people I
have delt with.And Tommy K,the school bus guy.He has made me some
great deals and told me some great stories too. I bet there is a few I
missed due to CRS,and I am sorry for that.
There has been only a few assbags I have delt with,but what goes
around comes around,and I will be there to see it and enjoy it too.

"If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're still a
liberal at 30, you have no brain"
                                                                           
                            Winston Churchill

from Peoplenomics -

Whether you realize it, or not, there's a bill in Washington which
would make it illegal to be critical of the US Government (H.R. 1955)
and it's getting painfully little press. The apologists for corpgov
are quick to point out this is only a 'commission to study' kind of
thing. On the other hand, the blatant and specific attacks on the
internet and the genuine exercise of free speech are obvious swipes at
what little remains of the Constitution.

L.

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:25 AM
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Take the time to read these articles. Especially the one about HR1995.
Also follow the link to how your government "representative" voted.

www.NewsWithViews.com
October 29, 2007
New Articles

Why HR1995 was rammed through under cover of fire
"First let's take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization
and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill. The
definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define
this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers
to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn't specifically define
what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the
interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government
has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul
supporters as promoting an extremist belief system........
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd318.htm
by Devvy Kidd

WHY HR 1955 WAS RAMMED THROUGH UNDER COVER OF FIRE

By: Devvy
October 29, 2007

© 2007 - NewsWithViews.com

"Paper is poverty, .... it is only the ghost of money, and not money
itself." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1788

Last week while the horrific fires were burning up Southern California
and every major news network, including cable were providing non-stop
coverage, a very dangerous bill to liberty and freedom was passed by
404 members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Called the 'Violent
Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007', this
bill is perfectly summed up here:

"First let's take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization
and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill. The
definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define
this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers
to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn't specifically define
what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the
interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government
has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul
supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the
government according to this definition can define whatever they want
as an extremist belief system. Essentially, they have defined violent
radicalization as thought crime."

Why was this bill passed now? Besides yours truly, thousands of
economists and constitutional activists have been warning for decades
what will happen if treaties like NAFTA were shoved down our throats
destroying our most important, productive job sectors along with the
continued fleecing of the people's purse. Let's look at some current
data to bring things into perspective and it's not pretty:

Foreclosures, default notices soar locally and across the state.
October 26, 2007: "Home loan defaults and foreclosures spiked again
sharply in July, August and September throughout California and the
capital region, setting records and adding more stress to an
already-slumping housing market." Billions in housing wealth at risk
as foreclosures soar. October 26, 2007: "More than $23.6 billion in
California housing wealth will evaporate if real estate prices
continue to decline and foreclosures on subprime home loans soar,
according to a new congressional report that indicates the fallout
from the national mortgage crisis is worsening." Cash-strapped
Americans raiding their 401(k)s. October 14, 2007: "Despite potential
tax and investment problems, more investors have been borrowing from
their 401(k) plans or taking hardship withdrawals in recent months,
some retirement plan providers say. Many in the field expect more
borrowing in 2008, as consumers struggle with tighter credit and
potentially higher mortgage payments."

2 Million Americans Face Losing Their Home. October 26, 2007: "An
influential congressional committee warned yesterday that 2 million US
families face losing their homes in a "tidal wave" of repossessions
with an estimated cost of $71bn." US loan default problems widen.
October 21 2007: " Poor quarterly results from banks across the US
over the past two weeks suggest credit problems once confined to
high-risk mortgage borrowers are spreading across the consumer
landscape, posing new risks to the economy and weighing heavily on the
markets. US banks have raised reserves for loan losses by at least
$6bn over the second quarter and by even larger amounts from last
year, indicating financial executives believe consumers will be
increasingly unable to make payments on a variety of loans. " Goodbye
dollar, hello inflation. October 24, 2007: "In summary, expect
continued deterioration in the dollar's purchasing power and increases
in inflation over the longer term. Inflation will not be confined to
the US; it has appeared and will continue to appear in countries
across the globe. Every government will try their damnedest to paper
over their monetary inflation with ridiculous explanations and
reconfigured price indexes which purport to show "low inflation".
Still, worldwide inflation is here and it is only a question of which
fiat currency will depreciate at the fastest rate against relatively
hard currencies and gold."

When people have no money to spend except for food and shelter, it
kills the local economy. Retailers are already anticipating a dismal
Christmas season. Dr. Edwin Vieira has warned for decades this banking
crisis was coming. He pointed out in a column, March 17, 2005, that a
monetary and banking crisis was on its way. In his March 21, 2005,
column, Edwin said: "Pointing out these stories to a New Hampshire
State Legislator, I explained the logical connection among them:
first, that this country is on the verge of an inevitable financial
melt-down; second, that politicians are intent on making things even
worse; and third, that when the Ponzi pyramid collapses, the same
politicians whose irresponsibility caused the situation will impose
draconian restrictions on common Americans by means of police forces
amply provided with weapons and heavy equipment suitable for
house-to-house fighting in Stalingrad."

Many times I have reminded Americans that back in 1984, Lt. Col.
Oliver North, directly helped draft a plan in 1984 at the direction of
Ronald Reagan to impose martial law in the United States in the event
of an emergency. This secret plan would suspend the U.S. Constitution
and turn over control of the government to the little known agency at
that time: FEMA. This plan would appoint military commanders to run
state and local governments - remember Katrina? Implementation of this
plan would have been triggered by violent and wide spread internal
dissent, disagreement with government policy or national opposition to
any U.S. military invasion abroad. Essentially, it amounted to a
complete and total suspension of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of
Rights.

Many times I have reminded Americans about a 1997 essay in the
Sacramento Bee titled: Our Civilian-Military Face off, which also
carried a sub headline: Bill of Rights No Obstacle for the [Marine]
Corps. This piece exposed the mindset way back then that at some point
due to: "...the rising potential for civil disobedience within the
inner cities it is 'inevitable' the U.S. military will be employed
more often within American borders." In my March 10, 2005 column, I
said that at some point, it was a given that posse comitatus is likely
to be thrown out the window. WACO was the test case in violation of
posse comitatus which resulted in our military burning and gassing to
death 74 Americans, 17 of them children. For the most part, America
was silent and sickeningly, large numbers felt the outcome was
"necessary." Well, it came to pass and NWVs columnist, Greg Evensen,
former Kansas State Trooper, summed it up quit succinctly:

"In addition to this "group think" concerning the police "mission" of
enforcing the law-regardless of whether or not the law is righteous or
constitutional---is the recent historic change in federal law. I am
referring to Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense
Authorization Act of 2007" (HR5122) (2), was signed by President Bush
on October 17, 2006...It allows the President to declare a "public
emergency" and station troops anywhere in America. Further, Section
1076 of this Act, entitled "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public
Emergencies and Section 333 Major Public Emergencies--interference
with State and Federal Law, says that the President may use these
forces when HE determines that domestic violence has occurred to such
an extent that a State is incapable of (read that "refuse or fail" in)
maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any
insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination thereof or
conspiracy to commit these acts against the United States. This
"repeal" of the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) is a deadly blow on this
historic prevention of US army units intervening in local disputes.
The 1878 Act, protected local jurisdictions and even states from the
willful intervention of corrupted or dictatorial executive branch
orders being forced upon the locals by Army units in a law enforcement
capacity."

Back in 1999, the International Association of Undercover Officers
held a conference and put out a manual titled 'Homegrown Extremists.'
This manual will shock you, i.e,. the Fully Informed Jury Association
which teaches people about their serious responsibilities as a juror
is blasted as an extremist organization. This is the kind of
propaganda that was being jammed down the throats of law enforcement
almost a decade ago. Most certainly there are dangerous groups in this
country, but through toxic organizations like the Southern "Poverty"
Law Center, this type of propaganda is now standard fare for law
enforcement. Constitutionalists are deliberately lumped in with the
KKK and wacky cults. Pg 52 begins "Know your enemy" and they are
white, educated Christians. The full manual is scanned here

(see website for links. L.).

The timing of the passage of H.R. 1955 was no accident; see roll call
of votes here. The fact that 404 members of the U.S. House of
Representatives voted for it tells me this collective body of
dangerous individuals that have taken this country, with the blessing
of every past president since Roosevelt, to the brink of financial
ruin are now very afraid of what's going to happen when the peasants
(that's us) find themselves left with nothing. Additionally, the push
for a new, unbiased investigation into 911 is turning into an
unmanageable situation for the shadow government.

Tens of millions of Americans do NOT want Bush to unconstitutionally
invade and bomb Iran, a non threatening country and should the
peasants, commonly referred to as the "working man", refuse to support
this insanity, a new draconian law will be in place to crush we the
people. Many now realize it's too late to stop exactly what Lou Dobbs
so courageously railed about on his show, October 26, 2007:

"And the leadership, of course, emanating from Washington is brilliant
dealing with the issue of $92-a-barrel crude oil, a Middle East policy
that is a joke, an energy policy for this country that is nonexistent.
This administration and the previous absolutely derelict...And I love,
I love these jackasses in this administration, particularly in their
-- the treasury secretary, Henry Paulson, the commerce secretary, this
president, all of them talk coming together to create a super-fund for
the money center banks, investment banks in this country to put
together maybe about $100 billion fund, so that they won't have to
suffer losses as a result of their bad credit market investments and
risk taken in their portfolios, particularly in subprime mortgage. But
we have got millions of people facing foreclosures, the resets that
you're talking about on those mortgages, ARMs that were designed for
the convenience of the industry. And this administration and this
Congress is not moving to deal with a way to relieve that debt and
that incredible pressure that it's going to put on middle- class
families."

Empty bellies make for angry mobs. How much do you have in your
savings account to keep emptying the ocean with a teaspoon? Are you
one of the above borrowing from your 401(k)? What will be left at
"retirement" time to see to your needs in your golden years? Crude
closed at $92/per barrel last Friday; when Bush took office it was
$18/barrel. This winter, our fellow Americans in states like
Pennsylvania, Ohio and the New England States will have to face
staying warm vs eating and/or dropping their health care premiums
because there's no money left in the till to pay another increase in
heating fuel oil. While Marxists like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi
eat off gold plated china, Bush will continue to blow $10 BILLION
dollars a month on his insane wars and since there's no money in the
treasury, that $10 BILLION will have to be borrowed and squeezed from
we the people who have nothing left to give. And, these buzzards in
Congress just keep writing hot checks:

Here piggie, piggie! Billions in fed trough. "Millions earmarked for
La Raza radicals: $3.74 million for research into the Formosan
Subterranean Termite, requested by Reps. Rodney Alexander and Richard
Baker of Louisiana; $1.7 million for the Centers for Disease Control
to fund a Hollywood liaison to advise doctor dramas." While you're
trying to figure out how to provide health care insurance for your
family, get them needed dental work, buy shoes and little dresses,
this is what these damnable crooks in Congress are blowing money on
when the treasury is empty. [Order and read Judge Andrew Napolitano's
newest book "A Nation Of Sheep"]

The worst is now staring all of us in the face and I respectfully
recommend every American do several things as soon as you can:

(1) Diversify a good portion of your assets into gold. I'm not a gold
dealer, but my friends at El Dorado Gold know this issue inside and
out and they will tell you that right now that stock market is on the
same path as 1929. October 18, 2007: Dow drops over 366 on anniversary
of Black Friday. This was a warning people had better take seriously.
Call Eric in the Florida office at 623.643.8785 or, if you prefer
closer to the West Coast, call Harvey at 602.228.8203. Congress is
staring at double-digit TRILLIONS needed next year when that first
wave of baby boomers retire. There's no money in the treasury and all
the BS pouring out of Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary's mouth, or pie
in the sky promises from Rudy Julie Annie, Huckabee or Romney isn't
going to stop what is already underway.

(2) Get your affairs in order which means paperwork like wills,
trusts, etc. DON'T put off this important task for a baseball game,
round of golf or tv program.

(3) Disaster can happen at any time, so everyone should make sure they
have at least a few weeks of food supplies, along with vitamins and
medical necessities stored. If there's any disruption with our road
warriors (truckers) being able to get to your area, your family will
starve and there won't be any running down to China (Wal) Mart for a
prescription refill that could mean life or death.

(4) Of paramount importance: Exercise your Second Amendment right to
own and bear arms for the protection of you and yours. The federal
government is knowingly protecting Muslim terrorist cells in this
country. Patrick Briley and others have been attempting to get members
of the Oklahoma State Legislature to demand answers from the feds as
to why they aren't rounding up these terrorists in that state and I'm
telling you flat out: we're all at risk. I've known Patrick for almost
ten years and his research is 100% solid; see here.

Please get on the phone to your House member this week and tell them:

Bush simply cannot invade or bomb Iran like some banana republic
dictator. A formal declaration of war is REQUIRED under the U.S.
Constitution by Congress and we the people do NOT want any military
aggression against a non threatening country like Iran. Stop this
lunacy or find another job next November.

Demand they vote yes NOW on the bills below because they are critical
in beginning the rebuilding process:

H.R. 2755: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act. To abolish the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve
banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.  

H. Con. Res. 40: The United States should not engage in the
construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico
and Canada.

H.R. 3835: The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 which will restore
habeas corpus by repealing the Military Commissions Act of 2006.  

H. Con. Res. 22: The President should provide notice of withdrawal of
the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement
(NAFTA).

H.R.4855: Get rid of the unnecessary withholding taxing scheme. This
bill was introduced by Congressman Ron Paul, July 27, 2000 and we the
people demand a new bill get introduced and passed as well as abolish
the IRS.

Important links:

1 - Reconstituting the militia under the states
2 - No income tax necessary to fund federal government
3 - The right argument on taxes
4 - Is the U.S. Government Sneaking Gold Out of Fort Knox?
5 - US Food Riots Much Closer Than You Think
6 - Iran: The Road to Armageddon?
7 - We must bomb Iran, says Republican guru

© 2007 - NewsWithViews.com - All Rights Reserved

--Shiva--

Wow Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You see the same  concept in marketing. Create
a demand,then bring the widget to market. Car magazines too. Lets make
a trend this month,IE Pro Touring,or what ever.They hype an idea a
issue or two,then some aftermarket company does a build with the new
suspention whack a dooie while they photograph it and crow about how
"its the latest trend!"( No collusion there!) And the happy sheeple
brainwashed by the media machine,happily toil towards the appointed
goal. Wonderfull aint it? Amazing how so many people can't THINK FOR
THEMSELVES.

Y'all are a real treat - all I did was offer a counterpoint. You guys
know what that is, right? When someone makes a silly generalization
about a group (Liberals, in this case) and lays the problems of the
world at their feet because of some perceived trait they ALL share, a
COUNTERPOINT is to offer up examples of some of their icons who
personify those traits. Kind of shows it up for the bullshit propaganda
it is.

Y'all have a nice day. Glad I could stimulate the hypothalamus for you.

On Nov 8, 1:39 pm, cjdaytonjrnos...@cox.net wrote:

Jeff, that is one hell of a synopsis....I think you have just written
the intro to your thesis for your Masters in Political
Science.....whew...smokin'!