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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / February 2008Door wide open? (semi OT)
Seems to me that Ebay's recent crap has left the door open for another company to step in and at least take a chunk of their market; i.e. the automotive and especially the classic and antique parts and car market. There is enough of it to do a completely separate thing and advertising needed would be minimal 'cause the hobbyists would provide enough word of mouth advertising. Maybe Hemmings or the Kruse operation?? Most of us car people don't look much at the rest of ebay, or at least not as often or with as much 'vigor'... While I'm on the ebay subject, has anyone decided to add some handling fee for paypay use? Many places add a fee for credit card use, so why not for using the ripoff paypal dept. of ebay? And JP...where are you about all the new ebay policy? I haven't seen too much of you "weighing in" on all this, either here or on the M&H forum... Studebaker George (One of the "little" sellers that is getting stomped on...or out?) I'm guessing you seen this, right George? Straight from the M&H Gang... <g> http://studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16158 MB I missed that one, Matthew, thanks...I have been REAL busy lately and just can't read everything... I still want to know what peope think about adding a FEE for using paypal....I didn't use it until recently when a buddy convinced me that I would get higher and more bids if I used it. What a mistake, I may even dump it entirely. I went years without it anyway... Studebaker George I do believe that Ebay has a definite rule against adding a PayPal fee or surcharge. I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... Jeff  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Same thing with credit card companies. They will cancel your merchant account if they catch you adding a cc surcharge. JF >I do believe that Ebay has a definite rule against adding a PayPal fee or >surcharge. > I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... > Jeff Really? I see that fairly often. Lee > Same thing with credit card companies. They will cancel your merchant > account if they catch you adding a cc surcharge. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... >> Jeff I see that REAL often. Maybe the "catching" merchants doing that is the hard part...I have a friend who has a prosperous little shop and he charges a fee every time that plastic comes out. Most people PAY it.... Studebaker George I didn't say it isn't done. I said "If they catch you". When a body opens a merchant account he signs a contract stating that he wont charge a surcharge (probably in the fine print, but it's there). I guess I'm old school, if I enter into a contract, I will abide to that contract. Look on any of my business cards and you will see "All you gotta do is "Say what you're gonna do and Do what you said"" JF > Really? I see that fairly often. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... >>> Jeff Same thing with credit card companies. They will cancel your merchant account if they catch you adding a surchage for cc sales. JF >I do believe that Ebay has a definite rule against adding a PayPal fee or >surcharge. > I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... > Jeff In the past some merchants, (not eBay), added a 3% charge if one used a credit card. But the practice is almost unheard of today. In fact, I think that a few states passed laws preventing the practice. I just think that the seller just should accept the charge as part of the cost of doing business. No point on alienating potential customers... JT > I do believe that Ebay has a definite rule against adding a PayPal fee or > surcharge. > I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... > Jeff >In the past some merchants, (not eBay), added a 3% charge if one used a >credit card. But the practice is almost unheard of today. In fact, I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> I think (iirc) I had an auction of mine killed off for doing that... >> Jeff You have to remember, that for many businesses, handling cash is a problem. How many C-stores would get held up by crackheads if it became widely known that they only took credit cards? It's not just the risk of holdups, either. A large cash business creates the risk of embezzlement by employees, too. I'm certainly no cheerleader for the "cashless society", but I can see reasons why it is coming about. Gord Richmond So you're against paying 3% when it probably increases your sales by 20%? I've not bid on items because they didn't take PayPal. PayPal is great, instant payment, not having to hold items until checks clear, not having to go to the bank or post office to get money orders, etc... Lee >I missed that one, Matthew, thanks...I have been REAL busy lately and > just can't read everything... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > may even dump it entirely. I went years without it anyway... > Studebaker George I can't really see where it has increased my sales by that much. I am of the opinion that if someone wants it bad enough, they will get off their lazy butts and get a money order. Maybe a "handling fee"...instead of a paypal directed fee...could say to "email me for discount details"... I still think paypal is just another ripoff pain in the a.s. I will continue to use it for now although I will probably get pissed and dump it in future. Studebaker George If you don't like PayPal, don't use it and don't accept it. Simple enough. Hell you can tell people that you want hand delivered cash... see how that affects the bidding numbers. Lee >I can't really see where it has increased my sales by that much. I am > of the opinion that if someone wants it bad enough, they will get off [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > dump it in future. > Studebaker George Unless it's a item I must have, I won't even bid on auctions that don't take PayPal. I won't take a trip up to the Post Office for a money order to buy a small part. If figure my time is worth more then the part. > I can't really see where it has increased my sales by that much. I am > of the opinion that if someone wants it bad enough, they will get off [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > dump it in future. > Studebaker George SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) I've pulled bids after re-reading the fine print, "no PayPal, no personal checks". For me to go to the post office or stand in line at the credit union would be at least an hour of my time for the complete round trip. In the past if it were under $20, I'd risk it and send cash... now I don't bid. Lee > Unless it's a item I must have, I won't even bid on auctions that don't > take PayPal. I won't take a trip up to the Post Office for a money order > to buy a small part. If figure my time is worth more then the part. >So you're against paying 3% when it probably increases your sales by 20%? >I've not bid on items because they didn't take PayPal. PayPal is great, >instant payment, not having to hold items until checks clear, not having to >go to the bank or post office to get money orders, etc... > >Lee For $60 a month I can get set up to accept CC's.. in 19 years, lost 5 sales totaling probably $125 cause i WONT take CC's. lets see, $720 times 19 years=$13,680... NO WAY would that make a case to take CC's FOR ME. --Shiva-- SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com For free you can get set up with PayPal and accept credit cards... but still have to pay the 3% fee. Lee > For $60 a month I can get set up to accept CC's.. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lets see, $720 times 19 years=$13,680... NO WAY would that make a > case to take CC's FOR ME. It seems to me (and a few others) that eBay is tired of fooling with "the little guys (and gals)", and want to keep the big money sellers. Somewhere I read that eBay could lay off 4,500 people if they didn't have to settle the troubles of small sellers. However, eBay claims that they want to keep every dollar they can possible make of anyone who wants to sign in. With eBay Motors about to "spin off" from the main site, and GM making deals with eBay Motors to sell it's used cars thru the online giant - not to mention WalMart wants to sell NEW cars on eBay - who's to say where this mess will end up? Will we go to Craig's List, or some other new effort will sprout up? I just want it to hurry up and resolve itself, but of course....... M&H forum????????? JF > Seems to me that Ebay's recent crap has left the door open for another > company to step in and at least take a chunk of their market; i.e. the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Studebaker George > (One of the "little" sellers that is getting stomped on...or out?) I'm pretty neutral on the ebay changes since the tilt is toward the bigger sellers. Since I'm a Powerseller, my fees will go down with the poweerseller fee discounts. As a buyer, I'd hate to see any of the small sellers go away. e > M&H forum????????? > JF [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Studebaker George >> (One of the "little" sellers that is getting stomped on...or out?) SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) If you charge a fee for a customer using MC,Visa or Amex you leave yourself open to some pretty hefty fines from the card companies, up to $100K per occurance and termination of your contract. > Seems to me that Ebay's recent crap has left the door open for another > company to step in and at least take a chunk of their market; i.e. the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Studebaker George > (One of the "little" sellers that is getting stomped on...or out?) Sheesh, all this goes back to what I said... Less is better...no paypal...no extra paperwork or "trail"... No fees... NO fees.. So what if you don't squeeze that extra nickel out of your part...less headache is worth $$$$$ in MY book... Dumping paypal is starting to look better and better...and I know a couple vendors that I have bought from over and over again...NO paypal... Studebaker George Some magazine publishe an article about E-Bay's potential strike of sellers. I cannot remember which on-line magazine. It was not a Blog or some such thing. In the article there was a re-print of an E-Bay/Pay-Pal rule, pertaining to feedbacks and Pay-Pal. Under certain circunstances, if a seller does not leave a positive feedback for a buyer, Pay-Pal has the right to withold payment for 21 days or until feedback is left. This afternoon I recieved an e-mail from E-bay asking me to fill out a questionaire. It asked which items I buy the most. Then it sent me more questions based on the items I said I either buy or sell. For the two major catagories I entered it asked questions about would I like other E-bay buyers to know what I am bidding on, would I like my name and address posted in my sales, would I like my photograph shown, and would I like alerts when certain items I buy came up. It went on for about 8 pages. From what I gather from reading the questionaire, they might be looking into revamping the way items are sold and bought. There was no discussion of fees or Pay Pal, but more about how much information was displayed about either the buyer or the seller. The major question that took me by surprise was "would you be interested in an expert to detrmine the authenticity of an item?" BG > Sheesh, all this goes back to what I said... > Less is better...no paypal...no extra paperwork or "trail"... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > paypal... > Studebaker George Why is dumping PayPal better? All it costs you is 3% if the buyer wants to use it. For me the $1.50 fee on a $50 sale it's not worth having to go to the bank and stand in line to deposit the check, especially when I'd burn a gallon of gas round trip. That's less headache to me. Lee > Sheesh, all this goes back to what I said... > Less is better...no paypal...no extra paperwork or "trail"... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > paypal... > Studebaker George Heh, why do both of you think you are going to convince the other to see things your way? YOU AINT! Heh, heh, heh.:-) BTW, I accept Paypal only (for ebay purchases). My store, my rules. JF > Why is dumping PayPal better? All it costs you is 3% if the buyer wants > to use it. For me the $1.50 fee on a $50 sale it's not worth having to go [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> paypal... >> Studebaker George Ok, using MY experiences here in this group, I realize some of you have gotten screwed over.. Someone somehow gets my email addy (its wrong on another web site but I cant get the thing changed-not MY web page) and we converse-can I make a key for such and such.. they send me the locks, I make keys and mail back, along with note- you owe me xx $.. I have NEVER gotten shafted YET, by anyone here.. within the last 2 weeks, I ahve went to a highly restricted web site and in an auction, purchased about (at retail) $2500-3,000 worth of merchandise. The man wanted payment by check.. Sent him checks, he received same, and THAT DAY mailed out the merchandise. not even waiting for the check to clear.. now, admittedly this group has a LOT of faith in each other.. almost 3,000+ members.. asking for an item, if anyone has got one, can get replies of: yeah I got that, send me your sanil mail and I will send same.. and no money is ASKED. DO I trust pay pal? no, not yet.. about the only way I would is opening up a separate account at some other bank and using that acc for THAT ONLY.. the places here(and there are some) that DO add on a processing fee- thats interesting that they are not supposed to.. The way around THAT is like some others do- MIN charge on a CC is $10. 97% of my customers are NOT retail.. auto shops or businesses- and for the most part, they write checks. as for a retail customer paying with a CC, why should I pay pay pal or whoever $6-9 PER sale, when that can be in MY pocket.. --Shiva-- SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I go to the bank occasionally anway.... On a recent sale of a $1500 item, the eBay fees were $92. I would add to that about $45 if I'd accepted PayPal on the sale. Somehow, close to 10% in fees was more than I could stomach and clealy stated NO PayPal on this auction. The buyer was more than happy to send a check for it. I am getting ready to drop the PayPal payment acceptance unless someone SPECIFICALLY asks to pay that way. For the first 9 years I sold on e-Bay I did not accept it and did quite well. I've only had a couple guys really want the PayPal convenience as I have always accepted personal checks as well and shipped immediately if they were SDC members. >Why is dumping PayPal better? All it costs you is 3% if the buyer wants to >use it. For me the $1.50 fee on a $50 sale it's not worth having to go to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> paypal... >> Studebaker George Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 Lee D. is on the same page as I am. My bank is very close to my shop; I pass it a couple times a day. The post office is right around the corner from that and I also pass a satellite post office a couple times a day. Inconvenience? Not for me. This country is way too lazy... I recon my mind is now completely made up, after my current round on ebay I will can paypal. I am a small seller and ten per cent is too much. That is taking the "gravy" right off the top. If I lose three per cent in sales and don't pay the ten per cent, the math is obviously still in my favor. Like Lee, I didn't do paypal for years and got along just fine. Like I said, if someone wants it bad enough they will get off their duff and get a money order. Chances are that person will be more informed about what they are buying and less likely to be a "couch potato buyer". Also less likely to be a problem. I like Lee's taking checks from SDC members idea and will use that. Thanks Lee D. for once again being the level headed voice of reason..<g> Studebaker George <SNIP> > If I lose > three per cent in sales and don't pay the ten per cent, the math is > obviously still in my favor. What "math" is that? PayPal is 3%, where are you coming up with 10%? Why not drop E-Bay all together because those leeches are taking more than 3% of your sale in commissions and listing fees. Why not put your parts in the paper... wait, they charge a fee. Maybe you can put up a flyer on the bulletin board at the grocery store... if you can justify the cost of the paper and ink/toner. Lee The math is simple.... The $1500 sale cost me over 6% total eBay fees... Add to that the 3%+ in PayPal fees and eBay gets close to 10% of the sale. I'll eat the eBay fees because of the market it makes available but I don't want to throw away another 3% just for convenience's sake. It is just as easy for someone to mail me a personal check (like I said I don't hold SDC members' checks for 10 days) as it is to do a PayPal transfer. There is no special trip to the bank or P.O. to get a money order and I am sure that 99% of America still sends payment for a few bills by check. ><SNIP> >> If I lose [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Lee Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 Lee, I see your point, but a check adds a few days to the total shipping time since the check has to get to you. I still pass up non PayPal auctions when possible. Besides, I'll forget to write a check, be out of stamps, or just don't want to bother. Yea, I'm just that lazy. <g> > The math is simple.... The $1500 sale cost me over 6% total eBay > fees... Add to that the 3%+ in PayPal fees and eBay gets close to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62 SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) Yeah, I know you're lazy <G>.... Being a Power Seller as well, it will be interesting to see what these new fees structures actually mean to my bottom line when all is said and done. Most of the time, it costs me more than 10% of my total sales to go to a meet (sometimes a LOT more) so I should not bitch about the eBay fees plus PayPal fees. I have pretty much decided that, even though I hate the fees, I will sell most all my parts via online auctions rather than spending a day or two loading, 3-4 days going to and returning from a show, and a day putting everything away. I enjoy vending but not THAT much any longer. Also, with the online auctions, I can start it at my 'asking price' and not have people try to beat me up on price. If the item does not sell, I can lower my price or sit on it for a while without the aggravation of someone wanting to buy a $100 part for 30 bux and cause me grief because I want to recover the cost of attending the meet to, basically, hand deliver the parts to them! I should also look at the percentages more than the total dollar cost involved in completing an eBay/PayPal transaction. If it costs me $10 to sell a $100 item it is easier to swallow than paying $146 on a $1500 sale though <G>... >Lee, I see your point, but a check adds a few days to the total shipping >time since the check has to get to you. I still pass up non PayPal [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> Lee DeLaBarre >> Daytona62 Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 I understand where the 10% (total percentage) comes from but George seemed to be having problems with the PayPal 3%, but E-Bay's 7% is acceptible. I don't know what he sells but I'm guessing it's mostly parts (under $100 transactions). PayPal is a service just like E-Bay... you just have to decide how much you're willing to pay for the transaction. I accept PayPal, but I set a limit where I won't accept it... when I sold the '62 convertible I didn't accept PayPal. For everything else I have. I guess everyone has their limit... if I sell something for $10, I'm not going to go off over the 30 cent PayPal charge... but I'm not going to give PayPal $30 on a $1000 sale. I don't think PayPal is a bad thing and should just be tossed out all together by sellers. It looks like E-Bay is going to up their commissions, is that going to have people dropping E-Bay too? The same goes for buying, I don't have a problem getting a money order or bank check for a $1000 purchase, but I do for a $10 purchase. Money Orders and Bank Checks purchases institute a $1-$5 fee, add postage on top of that. Then add in the extra 3-4 days for the seller to ship. But like I have said, there are things I've looked at bidding on, then saw they didn't take Paypal so I passed on the item. So in fact, by not accepting PayPal may have actually cost the seller money in the end... because we all know in an auction, all you need is two people wanting the item. Lee > The math is simple.... The $1500 sale cost me over 6% total eBay > fees... Add to that the 3%+ in PayPal fees and eBay gets close to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62 I agree with most of what you've said. The paypal fees up to $3k are 2.9% + $0.30. So, in reality, on a $10 sale, it is costing the seller 5.8% to accept PayPal. That drops off, of course as the dollar amount gets higher. To me, almost 6% + eBay fees, percentage wise, on a $10 sale is crazy. If you sell a LOT of $10 to $50 items, you end up paying anywhere from 3.5% to 5.9% to PayPal. Over a lot of small transactions, that adds up quickly. Percentage wise, you'd be a lot better off accepting PayPal for a $2k sale than 40 $25 sales. On the one big sale, you'd pay $58.30 vs $82.00 on the lot of smaller ones... To put this in REALLY scary terms, say you list an item for a $10 starting price. Your listing fee is $0.55 or 5.5%. Then, the item sells for you starting price ($10). Your final value fee is 8.75% of the final auction price or $0.88. Then, you accept PayPal on that $10 sale at a cost of 5.8% to the seller. It does not take long to realize that on a simple $10 sale, you have just given away 20.05%, or just over two dollars of the ten dollars you listed the part for! If these were all $50 sales the TOTAL fees for insertion, final value, and PayPal would range from 9.8% to 11.625% or anywhere from $4.91 to $5.81 per $50 sale (depending on starting bid price). These are all simple, no-extra auctions. IF you were to add one picture, a reserve of any kind, and have a $25 starting bid, you are at a 12.4% eBay cost plus the 3.5% PayPal cost... 15.9% or $7.97 in fees on a $50 item is again getting high. I'm not going to drop e-Bay as a venue to sell my stuff... It is very convenient and does get the word out to a LOT of people in a hurry. I just don't understand being upset because a seller wants to limit his costs at the e-Bay fees only and not add to his costs by anywhere from 3.5% to 5.8% by accepting PayPal. I, too, am sure that it has cost me some sales by not accepting PayPal on some auctions or possibly that it has cost me one or two extra bids on an item. I guess it's a choice I make and will have to live with. Also, I don't mind someone making a FAIR commission on my listings but, up to 20% on a simple $10 sale is pushing it. >I understand where the 10% (total percentage) comes from but George seemed >to be having problems with the PayPal 3%, but E-Bay's 7% is acceptible. I [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> Lee DeLaBarre >> Daytona62 Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 Compare all the ebay and paypal fees to the expense of a store setting on the side of a highway (my building is paid for, but I still have repairs, lights, water, gas, telephone, insurance etc., etc., etc.) and I think you will agree the ebay and paypal fees are a good deal. I have both an ebay store and a store on the side of the highway and I guarantee you I make more profit per item with the ebay store than I do with the physical store. Jerry >I agree with most of what you've said. The paypal fees up to $3k are > 2.9% + $0.30. So, in reality, on a $10 sale, it is costing the seller [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62 Wow, a lively discussion..nice to see on the 'ol newsgroup! I see a lot of very valid points. Jerry, you are right, the differences in cost of the old time "brick and mortar" place and the internet is quite large. I am NOT a "buisness" per se, and ebay started out as a place for us "little guys" to basically garage sale our stuff. The world's largest garage sale. Ever been to a garage sale and try to pay for an item with paypal or a credit card? For us "little guys", the associated hassle with paypal and now all it's additional rules is a little much. For now, ebay is still the best and pretty much the ONLY...and I will continue to use it. I do see a market potential for just the old car people, though, as Hemmings used to be before the internet came along. As far as Paypal and their nonsense, I recon it's time to make a small statement and go back to the way I started. Paypal is just another middleman with his hand groping in the jar. Another way to keep a log and a trail. Bye bye paypal. Studebaker George BTW, some of my very best and liveliest auctions were way before I started taking paypal. Yes Lee A., all you need is two people...and if they want it bad enough, they will fight like crazy (gambling rush, ya know!) and then get their a.ses to the post office and cough up a money order... I won't argue with you at all on that one, Jerry... >Compare all the ebay and paypal fees to the expense of a store setting on >the side of a highway (my building is paid for, but I still have repairs, [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] >> Lee DeLaBarre >> Daytona62 Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 I can see all sides of the debate and all things considered it is a better way than the swapmeets in my eye with one exception.I sell only small parts on ebay.It's a great way to move NOS or used parts.I do not sell sheetmetal or large items bigger than a oversize 1 box.Too much of a pain in the a.. I have done it in the past but gave it up.I take paypal or postal money orders only and have not gotten one complaint. My auctions used to include money orders from credit unions,banks,etc.but after getting some from places like "Luthers Feed-Seed Wagon Works and Money Orders" and The First National Bank of United States of Ameritus(California branch) I dropped those types.If buyers can go to a credit union they can go to a post office.I'll probably make the trip to swap at Lancaster but here is something about that to consider.It's 1,130 miles one way...thats 2,260 round trip.At 13 mpg thats roughly 173 gallons of diesel.Using the current rate of $3.45 my math says around $600 for fuel.Hotel for 8 nights @$90 is another $720. 6 swap spaces outdoors adds $180. Just for fun I'll guess $320 for meals,beverages,snacks for the week ($40.00 a day...I eat well,sue me)although thats a variable.Thats $1,820 in the red column before I even set up or sell a part.36-40 hours of drive time plus sitting at the space and as Lee D wrote the loading up for and unloading after.I can sit at home and sell a lot of parts on ebay rather than spending the time on the road.All the cost aside I'll probably still be there. Bob40...infrequent poster so using up air space when I do >I won't argue with you at all on that one, Jerry... > [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62 >thats 2,260 round trip IF you are a business, that deduction per mile is .53 or so cents per? around 1200 right there.. --Shiva-- SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com The 'deduction' does not mean a lot, really.... that .53/mile is taken off your income, not your tax directly... You'd be lucky to clear $300 in 'real money' >>thats 2,260 round trip > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >--Shiva-- Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 I just did my taxes and wrote off a trip to ND, total write off was $1095 (actual expenses)... increase in tax return was right at $200. So about 20 cents on the dollar for "you can just write it off" folks. Lee > The 'deduction' does not mean a lot, really.... that .53/mile is > taken off your income, not your tax directly... You'd be lucky to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62 SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Well, just consider it "mad" money and go right out and spend it so the economy can get goin' again. Don't buy any Studebaker stuff since such is no longer in the economic pipeline. Spend it a Wallywoild etc. JT > I just did my taxes and wrote off a trip to ND, total write off was $1095 > (actual expenses)... increase in tax return was right at $200. So about 20 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>Lee DeLaBarre >>Daytona62 Screw Walmart, until they open up more than 2 of the 26 registers I'm pretty much done with that place. Lee > Well, just consider it "mad" money and go right out and spend it so the > economy can get goin' again. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>Lee DeLaBarre >>>Daytona62 SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com You just have to live in a more "progressive" place... JT (equal opportunity at all checkouts) > Screw Walmart, until they open up more than 2 of the 26 registers I'm pretty > much done with that place. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>Lee DeLaBarre >>>>Daytona62 Ya gotta luv da guv'ment. When I was getting regular payments for mileage back in the late 1990's I'm sure that the rate was near 40¢ per mile. Considering that gas has more than tripled, inflation is much more than they admit to and you have a recipe for a decline in the standard of living. I'm lookin' for a horse that doesn't eat too much... JT > The 'deduction' does not mean a lot, really.... that .53/mile is > taken off your income, not your tax directly... You'd be lucky to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62 I'm far from level-headed at times, George... Have only been burned a very few times from SDC guys. It's a small enough community that I generally know someone who knows the offender and can call on them in a pinch to put a bit of pressure on the bad guy <G> >Lee D. is on the same page as I am. My bank is very close to my shop; >I pass it a couple times a day. The post office is right around the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >of reason..<g> >Studebaker George Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 |
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