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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / May 20081964 GT HAWK R2 mint original car for sale
Last year of production. All ORIGINAL - paint, interior, motor, supercharger, etc. - and in MINT condition. 3 documented owners. Reluctant sale due to financial circumstances. Numbers matching car with unique one-of-a-kind history (delivered at factory as warranty replacement for defective '63 R2). Pics on request. This is a serious RARE car for a serious investor. $58,000.00 Bob If he can get $58K for a '64, I'll have a '61 on the next day for $56K and personally deliver it anywhere in the US. Lee > Last year of production. All ORIGINAL - paint, interior, motor, > supercharger, etc. - and in MINT condition. 3 documented owners. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bob  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > If he can get $58K for a '64, I'll have a '61 on the next day for $56K and > personally deliver it anywhere in the US. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Hmmmm .... and how many '61's were built? > Hmmmm .... and how many '61's were built? 3,663 SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Hmmmm .... and how many '61's were built? > > 3,663 > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Hmmmm ..... that's quite a few more than the 70 R2 Hawks made in '64, with only 24 of those being non-package cars, and who knows how many are mint survivors. You can easily spend this much on a proper restoration and what do you end up with? ... an unoriginal car. >> 3,663 > Hmmmm ..... that's quite a few more than the 70 R2 Hawks made in '64, > with only 24 of those being non-package cars, and who knows how many > are mint survivors. You can easily spend this much on a proper > restoration and what do you end up with? ... an unoriginal car. Good luck getting $58,000 for it... my advice is if someone offers you 50% of that, grab it and run. You might want to look over this 1 of 9 '63 to get an idea of what those cars are selling for. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6466&viewitem= &item=300201077577 Lee SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I just pulled a booger out of my nose. It is a one of a kind, unrestored, unmolested, completely original and showing no wear what so ever. Does anyone think I can get $58K for it. I doubt it. Rarity does not equate to value. <GGGGGGGGGGG> -- thanks, Jerry Forrester check out my ebay store.... http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME > >> 3,663 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You might want to look over this 1 of 9 '63 to get an idea of what those > cars are selling for. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6466&viewi tem=&item=300201077577 > Lee > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com If you send it to Jeff Rice I'll pay the postage. <G> Lee >I just pulled a booger out of my nose. > It is a one of a kind, unrestored, unmolested, completely original and [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Mar 5, 12:57 pm, "Jerry Forrester" <forr62(no spam)@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I just pulled a booger out of my nose. > It is a one of a kind, unrestored, unmolested, completely original and [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Have you seen and compared both cars? The red '63 is a patched up 'restored' car with not great paint and poor fitting panels, vinyl on dash, etc. etc. NO COMPARISON! and it still brought more than $30k ... and about $20k more was spent on it? Good investment? I don't think so. 1 of 9 ???? ... right, whatever. This could get good. Sounds like Bob knows more about GT Hawks than JP. JP should be ashamed to sell those patched up high school restorations with the $200 Deluxe Earl Scheib paint jobs.. Like I said, for someone who needs to sell the car for financial reasons, waiting on $58,000 could mean living in this thing. If you want to see what the market is for this car, put it on E-Bay and see if you get more than half your asking price... my money would be on maybe $25K. Lee > Have you seen and compared both cars? The red '63 is a patched up > 'restored' car with not great paint and poor fitting panels, vinyl on > dash, etc. etc. NO COMPARISON! and it still brought more than $30k ... > and about $20k more was spent on it? Good investment? I don't think > so. 1 of 9 ???? ... right, whatever. > This could get good. Sounds like Bob knows more about GT Hawks than JP. JP > should be ashamed to sell those patched up high school restorations with the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > and about $20k more was spent on it? Good investment? I don't think > > so. 1 of 9 ???? ... right, whatever. Lee, those are your words not mine, and I do not claim to know more than JP, since I've only owned maybe 60 or 70 Studes over a 35 year period. > Lee, those are your words not mine, and I do not claim to know more > than JP, since I've only owned maybe 60 or 70 Studes over a 35 year > period. Maybe, but they sure sounded a lot like the not so complimentary words you wrote. If you have owned that many cars then you should be fairly familiar with the current value of your car. Lee 70, hell, I owned that many by the late 1970's, 400 plus now and going up, 20-40 year. <g> Bob > Lee, those are your words not mine, and I do not claim to know more > than JP, since I've only owned maybe 60 or 70 Studes over a 35 year > period. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) Not great paint translation: Not much better then factory, but a 5K plus clear/coat color coat Poor fitting panels translation: I have no idea what you are talking about unless it was the hood which I did align. vinyl on dash Translation: true, but it is the vinyl wood grain as used by the factory back in 63 No doubt your car may be nicer in some area's, but the red Hawk was not exactly a turd. maybe a condition 2. Some folks might even prefer a everything rebuilt/upgraded in the last 5000 miles car to a nice original one. I did not knock your car, just commenting on current market value. > Have you seen and compared both cars? The red '63 is a patched up > 'restored' car with not great paint and poor fitting panels, vinyl on > dash, etc. etc. NO COMPARISON! and it still brought more than $30k ... > and about $20k more was spent on it? Good investment? I don't think > so. 1 of 9 ???? ... right, whatever. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) > Not great paint > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > 39 Coupe Express > 39 Coupe Express (body) Man lots of comments by a bunch of not know it all people on this one... This is funny... > Not great paint > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > 39 Coupe Express > 39 Coupe Express (body) John, I was not trying to disparage your car but only paraphrasing the few shortcomings you mentioned in your listing and what I observed regarding the fit of the passenger door and trunk lid. I don't doubt it was a very nice car indeed, not a turd, and the auction showed its worth. I think what this spirited dialogue boils down to is this - 'most' people may prefer an absolutely 'perfect' car like your green '64 (I'm drooling all over my keyboard) while a very few others, myself included, appreciate a 'survivor' simply because they are SO hard to find and impossible to duplicate regardless of how deep one's pockets. Different strokes .... Bob I agree, the trick is to find just the guy that prefers a nice survivor to a trailer queen. >> I think what this spirited dialogue boils down to is this - > 'most' people may prefer an absolutely 'perfect' car like your green [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bob SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) > I agree, the trick is to find just the guy that prefers a nice > survivor to a trailer queen. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > hard to find and impossible to duplicate regardless of how deep one's > > pockets. Different strokes .... Anyone who would like to discuss this car directly can call me at 519-927-3966 or Skype: bob.shapton > > I agree, the trick is to find just the guy that prefers a nice > > survivor to a trailer queen. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Anyone who would like to discuss this car directly can call me at > 519-927-3966 or Skype: bob.shapton This car is now SOLD. >>> I agree, the trick is to find just the guy that prefers a nice >>>survivor to a trailer queen. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > This car is now SOLD. Glad to hear it; hope it found a good home. I remember your original post, that was a very nice looking car. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel Two guys standing, pissing off the side of a bridge... 1st guy: "Gee! the water's cold!" 2nd guy: "Deep, too." > No doubt your car may be nicer in some area's, but the red Hawk was not > exactly a turd. maybe a condition 2. Some folks might even prefer a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > and about $20k more was spent on it? Good investment? I don't think > > so. 1 of 9 ???? ... right, whatever. Maybe at Barrette Jackson on a good day. My 63 R2 just sold for 25K on ebay, and I was offered 40K for my R2 64, but that one has a 70K restoration to trailer queen status. It's here, and I'll hoping for 45K in the fall. http://www.stude.com/Sid/ >>> Hmmmm .... and how many '61's were built? >> 3,663 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > are mint survivors. You can easily spend this much on a proper > restoration and what do you end up with? ... an unoriginal car. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 GT Hawk 63 R2 GT Hawk 63 Lark 2 door 57 Wagon 51 Commander 39 Coupe Express 39 Coupe Express (body) > Last year of production. All ORIGINAL - paint, interior, motor, > supercharger, etc. - and in MINT condition. 3 documented owners. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bob This is some kind of really brief advertisement? I would think that anyone interested in maximizing the potential gain from the sale of a car of this caliber would put a little bit more effort into its sale. Or is he expecting a line to form of people with checks in hand? I was just wondering.... Tim K. Bob > This is some kind of really brief advertisement? I would think that > anyone interested in maximizing the potential gain from the sale of a > car of this caliber would put a little bit more effort into its sale. > Or is he expecting a line to form of people with checks in hand? I > was just wondering.... > Tim K. Woah! I'm sorry, I see the ad now on the forum. By the way, I've seen the car in person and it is a real honey. Good luck, Bob. Tim K. |
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