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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / March 2008

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Chrysler design center in SoCal to shut.

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Karl Haas - 13 Mar 2008 23:53 GMT
These are the guys, in Carlsbad, who brought you the Prpwler.

20 to get ax, including engineers, clay moulders, engineers,
artists...IIRC, this was the first US manufacturer to set up one in
this area, followerd by others, mostly overseas firms.
zoombot - 14 Mar 2008 00:05 GMT
Heck, Karl - Chrysler is closing down the whole shebang in July for 2
weeks and sending everyone home for vacation.
Karl Haas - 14 Mar 2008 00:42 GMT
> Heck, Karl - Chrysler is closing down the whole shebang in July for 2
> weeks and sending everyone home for vacation.

I know, but that is temporary, I guess. This design group is forever,
unless another firms picks them up as they walk out the door. Pasadena
isn't that far away, and there might be room at the School of Design.
(Teaching filling in unemployment forms?)

I worked for over 12 different firms (that I can remember) in my
career and left four of them on my own. Smallfiorms are so much more
enjoyable, challanging, and shakey!
Two firms I was at three times, sometime as an employee and other
times as a temp / consultant.

I also did telemarketing and bringing cars back to life in the fallow
periods
me@notanywhere.net - 14 Mar 2008 04:55 GMT
OK, show me an AMERICAN MADE car that gets over 30MPG, that is
AMERICAN OWNED..
Does Ford, GM, Chrysler have ANY vehicle in production that everyone
can go buy that gets BETTER THAN 30MPG by the common Joe Blow?
NOT the EPA rating but actual anyone can get this?  no

Close, perhaps..but no cigars

I drive a 'Ford'. its a 92, and gets about 37MPG, and that for this
model is BAD-it should get by talking to others, closer to 48mpg by
everyone.  It is NOT American made but a re branded vehicle, foreign
made
My wifes ex boss's car gets 53+MPG ALL THE TIME..its Foreign.
also

EVERYONE needs a $65,000 7mpg vehicle to take a half grown kid 2
miles to 2nd grade.. NOT!!!! but I see it all the time. a HUMMER????

was listening to an ad today on the radio  from a railroad of all
things.. they were BRAGGING that it cost them 1 gallon of diesel to
move 1 TON of freight 453 miles down the tracks..
these stupid SUV's to be EQUAL MUST GET over 250MPG to equal a
railroads efficiency.

I CANNOT walk into ANY dealership and get a reasonable  small van
that will get 20mpg and haul a few tools.. ITS NOT MADE..

After seeing some of the asinine engineering CRAP produced by the big
3, I have NO sympathy for any of them..

$800 brake hub for a GM car for 1..the OTHER side is $275.
8 HOURS labor to put on a water pump.. right.
80 HOURS for a wiring harness for a CD changer? sure thing..

in MY line of work, a 99 to 04 Malibu-car wont start, security light
on dash flashing.. fix you right up, takes 20-25 minutes.. and $400
and BTW, it MIGHT do it AGAIN the VERY NEXT TIME you start the car..

--Shiva--

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Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Mar 2008 05:41 GMT
Boy, did you nail it on the head...

I now drive an ancient '83 Honda Civic FE daily.  42mpg in mixed driving
and it always starts 'n goes. Nice stereo, no "Check Engine" light, no
'puter.

Went to visit Barry in Houston three weeks ago and drove 75-85 mph and
still got 42mpg.  Anything in Deeetroyt do that???

Worse, izzit me or are the new cars getting fuglier than ever? The
Chrysler stuff looks like a giant step backwards...

JT

> OK, show me an AMERICAN MADE car that gets over 30MPG, that is
> AMERICAN OWNED..
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>
> --Shiva--
me@notanywhere.net - 14 Mar 2008 14:48 GMT
>Boy, did you nail it on the head...
>
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>
>JT
I had to go see the local Ford dealer boss for a lock problem of his
and while I was waiting, looked on a new Mustang window..

$56,000 as it was, plus the options, PLUS EPA of 17mpg.
14 city.
finance this for 6 years, IGNORING the interest, you are paying 10
grand on principal.
and GAS???

another point.. back in the OLD days, I needed a 6 cylinder plain
Jane vehicle.. no power this, no fancy stuff, just a good 'driver'.  
YOU CANNOT EVEN ORDER ONE now.
its not allowed.

--Shiva--

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Lee Aanderud - 14 Mar 2008 15:03 GMT
> another point.. back in the OLD days, I needed a 6 cylinder plain
> Jane vehicle.. no power this, no fancy stuff, just a good 'driver'.
> YOU CANNOT EVEN ORDER ONE now.
> its not allowed.
>
> --Shiva--

Talk to their fleet vehicle sales manager.  Do you think NAPA or Advance
Auto Parts purchase loaded delivery vehicles?   You can still get 4-speed,
rubber floor mat, vinyl bench seats, etc. in one vehicle.

BTW - I know someone who's company added "manual windows and locks" into the
spec sheet that went out for bids, the trucks came back with manual windows
and locks listed as a $700 option to a crew cab truck.

Lee

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Itsfrom Click - 14 Mar 2008 16:10 GMT
2 cents worth:

 Chrysler design center:  wasn't their first "clean sheet" product the
Pacifica?.......all that hoopla about......a station wagon!!!! And the
top didn't even slide open!

 mpg:  I just completed a 2800 mile trip in my '06 Ford Five
Hundred......it got 25 mpg overall, including 3 weeks around town at my
destination, mountain driving, etc.  On highway, it got 28 mpg per
tankful.  I consider that pretty good for something with so much room
and comfort, big trunk filled with vacation clothes......especially
since the AWD and CVT are each supposed to eat 1 mpg.

my "toy" is a '06 Mustang GT convert......only 1100 miles in 2 years so
it isn't broken in yet.....but it gets 20 mpg in town, despite a heavy
foot. seems reasonable to me.

on the other hand:  Ford vehicles are individually weighed at the
factory with the weight printed on the window sticker......the 'Stang is
a convert and heavily optioned....but it has an all-alluminum engine,
tranny case, rear axle housing, plastic and aluminum hood and
trunk.......and it still weighs 3816 pounds........gees!!!!!!  (btw,
neither car has been back to the dealer yet because they were both "zero
defects")

 yeah, I've had some real gas hogs in the past......but my first car
was a '56 Packard:  supremely comfortable and luxurious road locomotive:
an engine that weighed 800 pounds, 310 horsepower, fast, dual quads,
handled like a kiddie car despite it's size, all the gizmos available
then and weighed over 5000 pounds.........and got 15 mpg no matter how
you drove it.  How much progress have we really made? (yeah, it polluted
and changing the mufflers every 2 years was a trip to the poorhouse, but
that was in the iron age).

And even tho' gas was cheap back then, Packard/Studebaker/Bendix were
working on electronic fuel injection to improve mileage.  Again, what
if..........?
Lee Aanderud - 14 Mar 2008 14:46 GMT
Is this a surprise to people?  I know small - medium sized production plants
that have been doing this for years/decades.  The only people who stay
around those two weeks are maintenance people who inspect and repair
machinery.

Lee

> Heck, Karl - Chrysler is closing down the whole shebang in July for 2
> weeks and sending everyone home for vacation.

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me@notanywhere.net - 14 Mar 2008 19:17 GMT
>Is this a surprise to people?  I know small - medium sized production plants
>that have been doing this for years/decades.  The only people who stay
>around those two weeks are maintenance people who inspect and repair
>machinery.
>
>Lee
wanna bet the line workers sill get their pay?

--Shiva--

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Lee Aanderud - 14 Mar 2008 20:42 GMT
>>Is this a surprise to people?  I know small - medium sized production
>>plants
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>>Lee
> wanna bet the line workers sill get their pay?

Why wouldn't they, along with everyone else... I haven't read anywhere where
the plant was shut down for two weeks without pay.  I'm not sure how this is
even newsworthy?  Several large plants shut down the week between Christmas
Day and New Years Day... I don't read about that in the newspaper.

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ALEX M. - 15 Mar 2008 04:26 GMT
But that is part of the problem with American car companies. They pay people
to not make cars. I bet most foreign car companies do not pay their hourly
workers when they send them home for two weeks.

>>>Is this a surprise to people?  I know small - medium sized production
>>>plants
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> Christmas Day and New Years Day... I don't read about that in the
> newspaper.
jeep4cyl@aol.com - 14 Mar 2008 16:01 GMT
Guys,

I drive a 2002 Ford Escape, 4cyl & 5-spd with Full Time 4-WD.  I have
a K&N Air Filter, and a Gibson Cat-back System w/o the mufler.  I
drove to my sisters running 65 to 75 mph and got 29.6mpg and 30.3mpg.
It has Power Brakes Steering Air and Cruise.  I now have 81,000 on it
and it drags my loaded 4x6 trailer to Tennessee at 60 to 70 mph, while
it is loaded, and still gets 24 to 26 mpg.

I think this is a remarkable vehicle.  However, it was hard to find as
no local dealers stocked the 4cyl.

Geno
64 Daytona Convertible
64 R2 Avanti
Studeman - 14 Mar 2008 16:24 GMT
My 1993 Ford Ranger extended cab- AC, Pwr Windows, Mirrors, Steering,
Brakes, 4.0L 5-speed..  No modifications at all.
In average driving, I usually saw  27+ MPG everywhere I went. Never
below 25 MPG.. even with the bed stuffed to the gills under a fiberglass
high-rise cap.
I pulled my wife's Hawk to Bloomington Mn. on an 18' open car trailer,
and the bed had 2-weeks of luggage and supplies for the trip (tools,
extra things for the Hawk, a set of 4 radial tires/rims for driving
after the show, floor jack, etc..). I averaged 17.9 MPG round trip. On
the "flats" from Cinncinatti to Chicago, it got slightly over 21MPG. The
lowest return was 14MPG through the mountains of Va/W-Va on I-77.

Loved that truck...
Ray

>Guys,
>
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>64 R2 Avanti
>  
me@notanywhere.net - 14 Mar 2008 19:20 GMT
>My 1993 Ford Ranger extended cab- AC, Pwr Windows, Mirrors, Steering,
>Brakes, 4.0L 5-speed..  No modifications at all.
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>Loved that truck...
>Ray
want mine? 96, automatic..same motor..
THE BEST we ever get is 17 unloaded. normal is 15
--Shiva--

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