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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / March 2008

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Gordon Richmond - 21 Mar 2008 19:16 GMT
Just offloaded the latest crippled puppy at the Studebaker rancho here. It's a '63 Lark 4
door sedan, with a six cylinder standard shift. Body is VERY solid,except for the usual
front fender rust. I drove it of the trailer. It runs and stops, but the clutch pedal is
to the floor and won't release. Sounds like a linkage issue, and I'll take a quick look at
it later.

Another Lark VI and a bunch of parts came with; so I have another road trip scheduled for
Saturday. That Lark is an automatic, and also runs, but smokes badly, and has a rough
body. Definitely parts car material. This one here could be a builder; would be a great
car for young person to start out on.

Amongst the parts that came with: 2 NOS rear quarters for '63-up 4 door sedans, two type
35 automatics, less converters; a '63 hood, and a '63 nose cone; a mess of doors, two 6
cylinder radiators, and a mess of small parts, and some seats, including a pair of '63
individual recliners.

Any of this stuff is available. I basically bought it to save it from the crusher.

Gord Richmond
mbstude - 24 Mar 2008 03:51 GMT
Just exactly how much is a "mess" of something??

<G>

Matthew
Gordon Richmond - 24 Mar 2008 04:40 GMT
>Just exactly how much is a "mess" of something??
>
><G>
>
>Matthew

In the case of doors, a "mess" constitutes seven. Amongst the other parts: a complete
dash, a vanity, 3 carburetors, a distributor, a number of lenses, a whole bunch of
stainless body mouldings, and a few seats. Plus some NOS 6 cylinder head gaskets.

Picked up the other car yesterday. It drove on the trailer fine, and then reverse gear in
the automatic tranny failed to work. Today, I backed the trailer up against the ditch
(saves putting the ramps out), fired up the engine, and put it in reverse, it freewheeled
a bit and then caught solid, and I shot off the trailer into the road. Got stopped; this
car's brakes work, too! Drove it into the yard and unpacked seats, etc. from inside it.

On Friday, I had a mighty struggle with the manual shift car. Tried to fix the clutch,
which was stuck. At first, I thought it might just be the fact that the little pushrod
that runs between the bellcrank and the lever on the cross-shaft was bent. So I made up a
new push rod out of two shifter clevises joined by a short piece of threaded rod. Got the
pedal nice and high, stepped on it, hard, and it went down and stayed down, Clutch stayed
locked tight. What bent, I don't know, but something did.

So I decided to take the transmission out. Dropped the driveshaft, speedo cable, linkage
rods; easy as pie. Got all 4 bolts out that hold the tranny to the bellhousing, easy too.
Tried to slide the tranny back? Uh-uh! It was stuck in there like it had been glued with
epoxy. Eventually, by prying between the tranny sump and bellhousing with a 4-foot crowbar
while the engine was idling, I was able to get the tranny back far enough that I could
undo the three capscrews that hold the front bearing retainer to the case. Finally, with
that part free, the tranny came out, although the rust on the input shaft spline fought
all the way. The center section of the clutch disc appeared to be VERY loose.

Saturday, I made the road trip to fetch car #2.

Today, after offloading #2, and putting parts away, I tackled removing the bellhousing in
car #1. Put a bottle jack and block of wood under the engine oil pan, and raised the
tranny a little. Got the bellhousing mount and insulators out OK. Chipped away a vast
quantity of hardened crud, and got all the bolts out. Slow process, that was. The
bellhousing came free of the engine plate OK, but it was a real struggle to get it winkled
out past the crossmember. The clutch cross shaft was still attached, as I was unable to
get the pins knocked out of the coupling sleeve. By dint of prying with the handy-dandy
4-foot crowbar, and raising-lowering the rear of the engine to find the sweet spot, I
finally got the bellhousing out in one piece, thump! onto the ground. The clutch cross
shaft was rusted solid into it. Never moved a millimeter.

I undid the bolt that held the pressure plate to the flywheel, and off it came, and the
disc with it, in two pieces. The spring steel center had broken clean on the inside
diameter of the facings. Probably a result of me running it with the tranny hanging down.
but it was very rusty anyhow, so breaking it was no loss. I found a Weasel clutch in
as-new condition in my barn, so that's what it's going to get. It's only 1/4" smaller than
the Lark clutch, and the pressure plate mounts to the same holes. I pulled the clutch off
a scrap '55 engine in the yard, and it's 1/4" bigger than the Lark clutch, and has a
different bolt circle, too.

Using a propane torch and a BFH, I got the clutch cross-shaft out of the bellhousing, and
polished up the bearing surfaces with emery cloth. I could see no indication of the
release bearing levers having slipped around the shaft, so I ran a bead of weld around
them with the MIG welder so they will STAY put. Bellhousing, once I degrease it and spray
it black with a rattle can, is ready to assemble.

I'm going to have to tear into the transmission. The front bearing filled up with cast
iron powder from it being run while I pried on it, and the input shaft may have moved
forward far enought to allow the rollers in the cup of the main drive gear to drop out. So
take the tranny apart, clean it, and reassemble, replacing the front bearing if need be.

Then the car is basically a driver. Putting the clutch and tranny back IN should be a
piece of cake, with everything cleaned and painted, and stiff parts freed up.

Aside from the usual, and not too severe floor rust, and the front fender racing stripes,
this car is VERY rust free and solid. Rockers, rear doglegs, rear quarters and trunk show
no rust at all. Patch the floors, hang a Maaco paint job on it, and swap in the nice
interior from #2 lark, and it'd be a 20-footer.

Anybody want a solid '63 Lark project car? It's a Y4, IIRC.

Gord Richmond
mbstude - 24 Mar 2008 04:53 GMT
Sounds like a fun time, Gord.

Say, if I have 14 doors laying around, would I then have two messes of
doors?

:-)

Matthew
Comatus@bex.net - 24 Mar 2008 04:46 GMT
> Just exactly how much is a "mess" of something??
>
> <G>

Oh, Matthew, I cannot believe an 18-year-old Southerner would ever have to
ask this question. Of a Canadian, no less!

There's little in Studedom as inspiring as a new chapter in The Further
Adventures of Gord. But remember, kids: Do Not Try This At Home. With the
engine idling...
mbstude - 24 Mar 2008 04:56 GMT
On Mar 23, 11:46 pm, "Coma...@bex.net" <coma...@buckeye-express.com>
wrote:
> > Just exactly how much is a "mess" of something??
>
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> Adventures of Gord. But remember, kids: Do Not Try This At Home. With the
> engine idling...

Living in Jawjuh, I know what a 'mess' of something is... I've just
never known exactly how much of something makes up a mess. <g>

Matthew
Comatus@bex.net - 24 Mar 2008 05:45 GMT
> > Living in Jawjuh, I know what a 'mess' of something is... I've just
> never known exactly how much of something makes up a mess. <g>
>
> Matthew

--Yes, and it's a Canadian mess, too. Probably metric.
Grumpy AuContraire - 25 Mar 2008 00:48 GMT
>>>Living in Jawjuh, I know what a 'mess' of something is... I've just
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> --Yes, and it's a Canadian mess, too. Probably metric.

...and worth more than ours!

JT
Gordon Richmond - 25 Mar 2008 02:39 GMT
>>>>Living in Jawjuh, I know what a 'mess' of something is... I've just
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>JT
Well, a metric "mess" is spelled me$$. LOL.

Today I washed the bellhousing and transmission in the solvent tank, using a half-pail of
leftover d-Limonene solvent I'd used at the wellsite for washing samples drilled in invert
mud. It still cuts grease pretty well, despite having a fair amount of the mud's base oil
dissolved in it. And it smells pretty, just like lemons.

So the bellhousing is cleaned and painted, and the clutch cross=shaft installed and
greased; all ready to install.

The transmission has been cleaned, all the iron powder washed out of the front bearing.
Partially disassembled it, washed it inside and out, and put it back together. Everything
seems to move OK. Gears look real nice. If it were an overdrive tranny, I'd have treated
it to new bearings, but it's a straight 3-speed, so I didn't bother. Chances are it will
get changed out in favor of an overdrive if this car gets any use at all.

Got the release bearing cleaned up and packed with new grease. All that remains is to take
the disc sander to the flywheel to clean off the heavy rust, and then button it all up.

It was colder here today; scarcely got above freezing, but I wore my insulated coveralls,
and was comfortable enough. No snow, though, but Calgary got hit this morning. I had
planned to got into Calgary today, but decided to avoid the snow.

Gord Richmond
Grumpy AuContraire - 25 Mar 2008 17:12 GMT
>>>>>Living in Jawjuh, I know what a 'mess' of something is... I've just
>>>>
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>
> Gord Richmond

You have won an all-expense-paid-trip to Cedar Creek, Texas!

It is one of them thar' "volunteer" type vacations where you work for
the common good of the host.

You'll have access to first class transport via the "carriage" of your
choice, (be it mule team, hoss 'n buggy or bicycle), all the tacos you
can eat and endless Stude talk.

Tools will be ready along with ample unfinished projects to truly
provide you with a sense of accomplishment when completed.

The duration of this prize will be the months of June trough August so
no freezing weather will be encountered.

Hurry, don't miss out!!

Respond ASAP as your cot is being prepped as I type!!!

<GGG>

JT

(Who wishes he had one tenth of the ambition of Gord...)
Comatus@bex.net - 26 Mar 2008 04:37 GMT
> You have won an all-expense-paid-trip to Cedar Creek, Texas!
> Respond ASAP as your cot is being prepped as I type!!!
________
da-HAMM, Gord...it may be lonesome up there on the tundra, but it ain't like
you're not popular!
There's a fine line between "living legend" and "super-hero." Don't trip as
you cross it...
blacklarkviii - 24 Mar 2008 10:33 GMT
A mess is more than a little bit.

Henry
> On Mar 23, 11:46 pm, "Coma...@bex.net" <coma...@buckeye-express.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Matthew
Karl Haas - 24 Mar 2008 23:14 GMT
> Just offloaded the latest crippled puppy at the Studebaker rancho here. It's a '63 Lark 4
> door sedan, with a six cylinder standard shift. Body is VERY solid,except for the usual
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Gord Richmond

Sounds like a great way for someones kid to put a bit of "sweat
equity" into what will be his / her first car, more so if parents say
that the youngster will have to repair any damage s/he does, and just
can't just run off and get another.

(My uncle gave me a '46 Ford when I was fourteen and I learned a lot
that summer. The car had a problem no one could ever explain, but I
fixed it. nded up having it hauled off for parts a year ater - they
were still common on the road back then.
Judy Sauer - 27 Mar 2008 01:53 GMT
any type b bench seats in that 'mess'?

> Just offloaded the latest crippled puppy at the Studebaker rancho here. It's a '63 Lark 4
> door sedan, with a six cylinder standard shift. Body is VERY solid,except for the usual
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Gord Richmond
Gordon Richmond - 27 Mar 2008 07:22 GMT
>any type b bench seats in that 'mess'?
>
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>>
>> Gord Richmond

Type B?

Meaning what? The seats are all Lark or Cruiser seats, mostly bench.

Gord Richmond
Transtar60 - 27 Mar 2008 14:18 GMT
Gordon a type B lark seat is used in Champs to allow access to area
behind the seat. It is a split back bench normally found in 2dr sedans.
I used one from a '63 F4 2dr sedan in my Champ 8E12.
I suspect Peter is still seeking a similar solution.

>> any type b bench seats in that 'mess'?
>>
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>
> Gord Richmond

Signature

2R10
2R14
3E38
4E3
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
etc etc

Gordon Richmond - 27 Mar 2008 18:50 GMT
>Gordon a type B lark seat is used in Champs to allow access to area
>behind the seat. It is a split back bench normally found in 2dr sedans.
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>>
>> Gord Richmond

OK, there are two front seats I have yet to pick up, but I'm pretty sure they are from 4
door sedans or Cruisers, and do not fold. The only 2-door seats I have are recliners, and
they are too bulky to fit in a Champ, plus the reclining feature would be wasted.

Gord Richmond
Judy Sauer - 28 Mar 2008 04:39 GMT
Yeah, we already tried the pullmans in the truck.  We had to
raise them an additional two inches to clear the gas tank,
and they kept jamming under the rear window.

The type B seat is the bench, with split back, and the
mounting brackets are "L" shaped rather than inverted "T"
shape, like the older model (like my Hawk)

Also need a driver's front fender for a 58 Hawk, in good
condition.  Anything like that kicking around?

j

>> Gordon a type B lark seat is used in Champs to allow access to area
>> behind the seat. It is a split back bench normally found in 2dr sedans.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Gord Richmond
Gordon Richmond - 28 Mar 2008 05:14 GMT
>Yeah, we already tried the pullmans in the truck.  We had to
>raise them an additional two inches to clear the gas tank,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>j

No good Hawk fenders lying around, save for a pair that I plan to use myself. And they are
not "good". only "less bad".

Gord Richmond

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