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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / March 2008

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Wizard of Oz - 23 Mar 2008 05:24 GMT
I pulled the head of the OHV engine today as the start of the rebuild and to
my surprise the inside of the engine is in great shape. I can still see the
tops of the pistons, they are not carboned up, the valves are also clean and
no serious carbon in the combustion chambers. There is a small amount of
carbon build up at the top of the bore but it does not feel like a ridge. It
appears to be fine for just rings and bearings.

I pulled this engine out of a 62 and read in the log book that a new engine
was installed at some time. I thought it was a 63 because of the full flow
and the way the PCV set up was and did not give it much thought until today
when looking for piston rings and saw the engine numbers in the Stude. Int.
catalogue. The engine number is S278761 which makes it a 64.

Now I will have to tear down the engine to find out for sure what I have
before I order any parts.

If any one knows any thing special about the 64's that I need to look out
for I would appreciate it.

Wiz.
Karl Haas - 23 Mar 2008 05:55 GMT
> I pulled the head of the OHV engine today as the start of the rebuild and to
> my surprise the inside of the engine is in great shape. I can still see the
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> Wiz.

One thing to remember, if the car is like my '64 CDR, the taillight
extends out more than does the corner of the rear bumper, or else it's
just a weak bumper. (The wall didn't suffer any damage, though.)

Karl
keith_kichefski@wed.dresser.com - 23 Mar 2008 15:34 GMT
On the '64 engine, the piston rings were unique to that year.  The top
compression ring is thinner, than on prior years.  Also, be extra
careful if you are considering re-using the pistons.  The slipper-
skirted types used in '63 & '64 tend to crack in the skirt radius.
The skirted pistons were supposed to rock less in the bore than the
'62 and prior, thus reducing piston slap.  When the slipper-skirts
crack off, the pistons can cock in the bore damaging the cylinder.
While you mentioned the tops of the pistons were clean of carbon,
study the oil drain back holes behind the oil ring.  When those holes
plugged up with carbon, is when those engines began to burn oil.  From
my experience this happened right around 50,000 miles.  Wear was
minimal at that point.
Inspect the head for cracks, especially between the valves.  This was
common concern on all OHV sixes.  Valve burning, usually came first,
which lead to isolated hot spots on the valve seats.  Excess carbon as
a result of oil burning, was usually the cause of the problem.
The Carter RBS carburetor tended to run both rich and lean at various
times, causing the engine to load up and at other times produce a lean
backfire through the carburetor.  When they tend to run rich, it is
usually due to a damaged choke-stove, which is filled with carbon.
The carbon comes from a cracked heat tube inside the exhaust
manifold.  The tubes commonly crack at one of the dimples in the tube
itself.
The '64 aircleaner will not fit earlier carbs, such as a Carter AS, so
it is best to deal with it as-is.  Earlier tall aircleaners on their
carburetors, sometimes will not clear the hood when used on a '64.
Wizard of Oz - 23 Mar 2008 20:35 GMT
Thanks for the info. I have read about most of those things but recalling
them all at the point of need is the hardest to do.

Now according to my shop manual I have a 63 but some other sources say it's
a 64 do you or any one else have first hand experience with 63/64 OHV sixes?
When was the actual change in piston types, the side valve cover PCV setup
from 63 to 64 style, the crank counter weight change, etc..? Were all done
at the same time with the change in engine numbering or did the changes
happen gradually like the Avanti changes?

Wiz.

> On the '64 engine, the piston rings were unique to that year.  The top
> compression ring is thinner, than on prior years.  Also, be extra
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> it is best to deal with it as-is.  Earlier tall aircleaners on their
> carburetors, sometimes will not clear the hood when used on a '64.
keith_kichefski@wed.dresser.com - 24 Mar 2008 14:29 GMT
Most of your questions are addressed in the Studebaker parts catalog.
According to the Studebaker shop manual, the '64 had a different
engine numbering sequence, which applied to both sixes and V-8s.  A
South Bend six for '63 started out: S-261201.  In '64 it was a code,
example: SG422  S=6-170, G=July, 4=1964, 22=22nd day.  These numbers
are stamped into a pad on the block, just above the alternator.
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> Thanks for the info. I have read about most of those things but recalling
> them all at the point of need is the hardest to do.
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> Wiz.
 
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