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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / January 2004Whats the next Stude to come out of the woodwork's?
Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? How about a list of things? Just a couple to ponder: 1938 President Convertable Sedan 1938 President Coupe with Side Mounts 1942 Commander with the Automatic trans that was not recalled and sold by the factory 1954 Commander Convert prototype 1963 Champ Truck with the R2 option either the black or white one The last Hawk or Avanti made. An R3 Avanti any one of the nine made Just a few ideas. Come up with a few of your own or what you thing might show up on ebay next Sweet Dreams Bob Miles Tucson AZ > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? Well, we did see the 100,000 Lark on Ebay, didn't we? Craig. > How about a list of things? Just a couple to ponder: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Bob Miles > Tucson AZ I'd like to find out what happened to that car, Andy at the museum lost track of it too. >>Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low >>mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>Bob Miles >>Tucson AZ  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 63 R2 4 speed Daytona HT(Md.keeper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) I don't know about the Lark but the 53/54 Commander prototype was for sale at Auburn 1n 1996. It needed a lot of work but was all there. It didn't make reserve but I heard it sold to someone in California for $20K+. At least I got to touch it.(G) Several stories about the history of the car has been tossed around on the NG. I believe JP or someone said that it hung around SB for a long time even on a used car lot at one time. Another story was the daughter of a Stude executive drove it while attending Indiana University. when at the Auburn sale, it came from Illinois where it had been since 1990. I don't know the original color but it was red when I saw it. The business about 53/54 was Studebaker hadn't decided whether to go into production so upgraded it with 54 trim as they were still testing the car. The only true fact is that I saw it in 96. The rest I have heard from different folks. Snurdly > I'd like to find out what happened to that car, Andy at the museum >lost track of it too. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>Bob Miles >>>Tucson AZ Is that the prototype convertible your talking about? Jeff DeWitt >I don't know about the Lark but the 53/54 Commander prototype was for sale at >Auburn 1n 1996. It needed a lot of work but was all there. It didn't make [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Poor proof reading on my part Jeff. Yes, it was the factory prototype convertible. one more thing, it had a propeller just below the hood ornament. That sure added some class to it. Actually, the car looked pretty sad. Snurdly >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------070709080906020603000504 [quoted text clipped - 173 lines] > >--------------070709080906020603000504-- Propellers only work on Bulletnoses <G> Jeff DeWitt >Poor proof reading on my part Jeff. Yes, it was the factory prototype >convertible. one more thing, it had a propeller just below the hood ornament. [quoted text clipped - 197 lines] > > A collector by the name of Lee Thomas in Denver was a former owner of my 53. He told me that he had the Prototype convertible car for a while. He had some medical problems and started selling cars from his collection, among them my car and the Prototype. He told me he sold it to a fellow in California, he said the name, but I don't remember it. Lee's health problems have improved significantly and now he is regretting selling, but as he put it, they are all just hunks of metal in the end. He has another 53 or 54 now and is debaitng whether to fix it up further or look for another one. Pat > I don't know about the Lark but the 53/54 Commander prototype was for sale at > Auburn 1n 1996. It needed a lot of work but was all there. It didn't make [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >>>Bob Miles > >>>Tucson AZ Pat, I remember hearing somewhere that the car is now owned by Tom Null of North Hollywood, CA. Maybe, that's the guy you're talking about. Another story I've heard is that the car was sold at Auburn Spring MotorFair, May 15, 16 & 17 - 1998 (see below) 1953 STUDEBAKER COMMANDER CONVERTIBLE SOLD: 19600 CONDITION: 3 PROTOTYPE, RESTORED, HAS BEEN GARAGED IN OUR HOME IN ILLINOIS SINCE 1990. DRIVEN A LIMITED AMOUNT. ONLY 24,607 ACTUAL MILES ON THE SPEEDOMETER. PROTOTYPE--HAND BUILT IN ENGINEERING DEPT. ONLY CONVERTIBLE IN EXISTENCE. COST $80,000 TO BUILD IN 1953 ENGINE - V-8 EXT COLOR - RED EXT COLOR2 - BLACK Michael Bostedt > A collector by the name of Lee Thomas in Denver was a former owner of my 53. > He told me that he had the Prototype convertible car for a while. He had [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > >63 GT Hawk > > >63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) I m betting that Lee was the one who bought it in Auburn, and probably sold it to Tom Null. Next chance I have to talk with him I will ask. There was a very nice Studebaker convertible at the International meet in Sacramento here's a link to some pictures. That's the Studebaker Blues Band riding in it! http://www.studebakerblues.com/53Studebaker/Studebaker%20convention%20021.jpg http://www.studebakerblues.com/ Pat > Pat, > I remember hearing somewhere that the car is now [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > > >63 GT Hawk > > > >63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) Pat, Please, let me know what you find out after talking to Lee. I have a great interest in that car and it would shurely be cool to see some recently taken photos of it, maybe Lee has some to share. I have a few old pictures of the prototype taken in the early 1970s. Anyway, it's sad that the car is not at the museum in South Bend so everyone can enjoy it. Michael Bostedt -1953 Starliner -1959 Silver Hawk > I m betting that Lee was the one who bought it in Auburn, and probably sold > it to Tom Null. Next chance I have to talk with him I will ask. There was > a very nice Studebaker convertible at the International meet in Sacramento > here's a link to some pictures. That's the Studebaker Blues Band riding in > it! http://www.studebakerblues.com/53Studebaker/Studebaker%20convention%20021.jp g > http://www.studebakerblues.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > > > >63 GT Hawk > > > > >63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) I think the Studebaker Blues car is owned by Steve Hudson in Oregon If it's his car, it's built from a 1956 Golden Hawk with a '60s Dodge Dart convertible top. It's a great looking car, by the way... Michael Bostedt -1953 Starliner -1959 Silver Hawk > I m betting that Lee was the one who bought it in Auburn, and probably sold > it to Tom Null. Next chance I have to talk with him I will ask. There was > a very nice Studebaker convertible at the International meet in Sacramento > here's a link to some pictures. That's the Studebaker Blues Band riding in > it! http://www.studebakerblues.com/53Studebaker/Studebaker%20convention%20021.jp g > http://www.studebakerblues.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > > > >63 GT Hawk > > > > >63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) > I believe JP or someone said that it hung around SB for a long >time even on a used car lot at one time. Another story was the daughter of a >Stude executive drove it while attending Indiana University. The 1953/'54 prototype convertible is a car that I visited many times and delved into the history via many sources many years ago when there were more memories of it. Studebaker sold it to a South Bend banker with the understanding that he would not resell it. IIRC: The price was $100. The banker's daughter drove the car. In later years, the car was stored, mostly outdoors, in various places in the South Bend area. I don't know who claimed it, maybe a storage claim, and put the car in a big time auction. The guy that bought it contacted me. I helped him with information, etc. My personal inspection of the car in the early '70's revealed, like a true prototype, the car never had body or serial number plates. Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. R2 Champ pickup Packard Hawk with white leather and red steering wheel The factory 54 convert 57 Supercharged Police car Yet another Egbert Avanti <g> 1950 Desert car or truck (Saudi) 1964 limo ( Israeli ) > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Bob Miles > Tucson AZ SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 63 R2 4 speed Daytona HT(Md.keeper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk 63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) > R2 Champ pickup > Packard Hawk with white leather and red steering wheel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 1950 Desert car or truck (Saudi) > 1964 limo ( Israeli ) How about the 1963 prototype van, complete with the Westinghouse logos on the sides? Or the one-off 1942 Champion station wagon that ended up serving the South Bend area Red Cross in WWII? Just maybe a 1958 or 1959 Packard truck in Argentina, and any of the three Frua 1961 styling studies that may still be in Italy..... Craig. > > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 63 GT Hawk > 63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper) Or what about the prototype Weasel with the Commander six? Apparently one was built, and deemed unsatisfactory. I think the combination of the added power, and the added weight made for too much stress on the driveline and suspension for their liking. BTW, Craig, it's sure beginning to look like I will be stuck here for next Tuesday's chapter meeting. Please offer my apologies to the members. I will be glad to see the end of this one; not that it's really been a bag of snakes, just tedious. Gord Richmond >Or what about the prototype Weasel with the Commander six? Apparently >one was built, and deemed unsatisfactory. I think the combination of >the added power, and the added weight made for too much stress on the >driveline and suspension for their liking. >Gord Richmond Is that the one that had the engine in the rear and the tracks turned around bass-akwards? Going up a steep incline it would fall over backwards. I think I have it on an old film clip. Loy Daniel http://clubs.hemmings.com/hpsdc/ I'm not sure, Loy. I think it was a regular M29 model that was fitted with a Commander engine as a test. Gord Richmond >1950 Desert car or truck (Saudi) The first TrailBlazer model (again, before GM). Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. How 'bout a '53 with the Borg-Warner mechanical power steering <g>? -Dick- > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Bob Miles > Tucson AZ >How 'bout a '53 with the Borg-Warner mechanical power steering <g>? >-Dick- That's one that I have never seen. Did any survive or were they all recalled? Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. How DID that work, anyway? ( or not) >How 'bout a '53 with the Borg-Warner mechanical power steering <g>? >-Dick- [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Bob Miles >> Tucson AZ Ron/Champ 6 1963 8E5 Champ (Champ 6) 1962 Lark Daytona Convertible (Boomerang) 1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk) 1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley) >The last Hawk or Avanti made I have been enlightened with more information on Avanti 5643. In the '70's, I was told by the car's owner, Joe E., that the car was assembled for a Studebaker executive. If this was true, I guess the executive didn't take delivery of this last Avanti built. The Avanti was originally shipped to the SASCO Zone Office in Atlanta, GA. They sold it to a dealer in Jackson, MS (Stude-Auto Jackson). They wholesaled it to Jerry's Auto Sales in Warren, OH. The first retail buyer was George Westin of Youngstown, OH (traded a '63 Avanti in on it). The car was assembled on 12/26/63 and the first retail delivery was on 11/19/64. Avanti, along with other Studebakers, was not a hot seller at that time. The last that I saw the car it had 6K miles on it. Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. It took quite a few pages (and illustrations) in the '53 shop manual to describe how it worked. I couldn't begin to do it justice here. It was belt driven off the engine, but was pure mechanical....no hydraulics. Rumor has it that none were actually delivered to customers, but I just know there is one out there someplace <g>. -Dick- > How DID that work, anyway? ( or not) > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk) > 1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley) Well, they did reportedly make one (Yes, ONE, as in UNO) 1951 Commander 3-passenger business coupe (Q1 Body & Trim Code). Also, the very last Hawk made is accounted for, and I believe it was for sale in Turning Wheels maybe ten years ago. White with red interior. Kind of a low-option car, if I remember correctly, maybe a three-speed (but not sure). BP rmc61coupe@aol.com (rmc61coupe) wrote in message: > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? > > How about a list of things? Just a couple to ponder: Come up with a few of your own or what you thing > might show up on ebay next > > Sweet Dreams > Bob Miles > Tucson AZ Wasn't that Hawk written up in Turning Wheels sometime in the late 70's? If I remember right the guy was in the dealership ordering the car when word came on the radio that President Kennedy had been shot (or am I mixing up two stories). As I recall it was a pretty basic car, but with Twin Traction and a couple of odd things that got it pushed to the back of the line causing it to be the last built. Jeff DeWitt >Well, they did reportedly make one (Yes, ONE, as in UNO) 1951 >Commander 3-passenger business coupe (Q1 Body & Trim Code). [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>Tucson AZ >> It may have been, Jeff. The excellent Precision Systems Turning Wheels Index I have starts with the September 1972 Turning Wheels, so if The Last Hawk was reviewed prior to that, I don't know. The Sept 1972 Index forward through 2003 has tons of entries regarding 1964 Hawks, but nothing to suggest an article on the last one. 'May have been prior to September 1972. (I looked in the general "Hawk" category as well as the "1964 Hawk" category.) You are correct: It was a fairly plain car; nothing too spectacular except that it was the very last one built and it was shipped off into the world and sold as a normal retail sale with zip fanfare! Too bad. BP Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt*nospam*@nc.rr.com> wrote in message: > Wasn't that Hawk written up in Turning Wheels sometime in the late > 70's? If I remember right the guy was in the dealership ordering the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >interior. Kind of a low-option car, if I remember correctly, maybe a > >three-speed (but not sure). BP There's a few paragraphs about it in the April '97 Turning Wheels, the one that features the '64 Hawks, on page 11. Tim ------ '62 GT Hawk '64 Commander > It may have been, Jeff. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > >interior. Kind of a low-option car, if I remember correctly, maybe a > > >three-speed (but not sure). BP This article would have to have been in the 76-80 time period. As I recall one of the things the guy would do is drive it out in the desert and collect rocks, I believe he said he had driven that Hawk "in places a Jeep would fear to tread". Jeff DeWitt >It may have been, Jeff. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >>> >>> > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Just a few ideas. Come up with a few of your own or what you thing > might show up on ebay next Just last Sunday I saw one car that knocked two off your list! Our Ohio Region SDC visited the Frederick Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum in Cleveland and the last Studebaker-built Avanti, serial 5643, white R3 with Powershift and less than 10K miles, black interior, just drop-dead gorgeous and the guide let my friend Joe and I behind the ropes to peer inside! It was bought in Youngstown, OH in the '70's by a former Cleveland Stude, then AMC dealer, Joe Erdellac, who subsequently donated it to the museum. He's quite up in years now but was an invited guest to one of our meetings two summers ago and was a delightful guy and seemed to really enjoy himself. Bill Pressler '63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1 > Sweet Dreams > Bob Miles > Tucson AZ What about a Packard Truck? BG I'm holding out for a one of those V-12 Packards! > What about a Packard Truck? > > BG How about the ultra-rare 1967 and 1968 Commanders? Or the never before seen 1957 convertible models? Any "inter-galactic-barn fresh" Studebaker found in Area 51 would be an out-of-this-world addition to anyone's collection. <G> > I'm holding out for a one of those V-12 Packards! > >> What about a Packard Truck? >> >> BG A Studebaker thread with 19 new messages. That must be a recent record <G>> Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. >the last Studebaker-built Avanti, serial 5643, white R3 >with Powershift and less than 10K In the '70's-'80's, I used to visit that car at least once a year. By going to the dealership in my '53 Commander Starliner, Joe E. would come out to look at it and visit with us. He was/is a nice man. He would take me in the back where he always had a large collection of Avantis. He also had me checking out Avantis out East for him to buy. I have checked 5643 out and been in the car. I believe that 5643 was originally built for a Studebaker executive. I also remember that he had another Avanti that also had about 6K miles on it. It was a car used by Allstate for their cross country ad campaign. The last that I knew, the car was privately owned by someone in the Cleveland area. The new owner brought it to an SDC International Meet. Many people, including Avanti "experts", didn't think that the car was original or authentic, especially the Allstate tires. My 1964 Avanti was delivered new with Allstate tires. I am surprised and glad that Mr. E. is still around. Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. > >the last Studebaker-built Avanti, serial 5643, white R3 > >with Powershift and less than 10K . Many people, including Avanti > "experts", didn't think that the car was original or authentic, especially the > Allstate tires. My 1964 Avanti was delivered new with Allstate tires. I am > surprised and glad that Mr. E. is still around. Can you interview 'Mr. E.' for a future TW article? Sounds like it would be great reading. Craig. > Gary L. > Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone > 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. >Can you interview 'Mr. E.' for a future TW article? Sounds like it would be >great reading. I agree that it would be interesting reading, but maybe someone that is about 500 miles closer and has seen him more recently than I have could do the interview. Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. >1954 Commander Convert prototype >1963 Champ Truck with the R2 option either the black or white one >The last Hawk or Avanti made. In the 1953 model year, Studebaker built a prototype convertible. It was later updated to look like a 1954 model. AFAIK: There were no convertibles BUILT as 1954 models. This '53 was sold fairly recently and is in private hands. The last Hawk made was privately owned and for sale in Turning Wheels a while ago. The last Avanti made was owned by Joe E. for many years and it now resides in the Crawford Museum. Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. "The Clunker" (original - not a clone) That sure stirred emotions. Karl Haas. > Well in the past couple of weeks on Ebay we have seen an extremely low > mileage car and a Lark Police car. What will be next? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Bob Miles > Tucson AZ |
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