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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / January 2004

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EBay is educational for new Studebaker information

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rmc61coupe - 31 Jan 2004 04:10 GMT
Gee, I learn something every day:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6466&item=2457
570111


Was the 4 cyl engine a prototype with the diesel? What about the
wankel rotary prototype? This could be another rare Studebaker. All
you Florida guys can jump right on this one.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
Jeff Rice - 31 Jan 2004 12:46 GMT
Hmmmm...
This one could be trouble...
From the looks of the scrub trees in the background, this could be right on
the inter-coastal...
From the haze on the glass and the rust runoff under the fog lights I kind
of feel like it may be a top rust candidate.
Depends on how long it has been setting there...
Also look at the bed droop....Something doesn't look quite 'true'.
Maybe the bed it straight and the cab is misaligned ( a reason the hood is
open?) (dunno)
Questions to seller should be many...
Jeff (Flea market hubcaps don't help either <g>) Rice

> Gee, I learn something every day:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6466&item=
2457570111
> Was the 4 cyl engine a prototype with the diesel? What about the
> wankel rotary prototype? This could be another rare Studebaker. All
> you Florida guys can jump right on this one.
>
> Bob Miles
> Tucson AZ
Rick Courtier - 31 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT
Truck is in the Daytona area. It had a 4 banger (what for lunch). It should
go cheap!

> Hmmmm...
> This one could be trouble...
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>
> > Gee, I learn something every day:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6466&item=
> 2457570111
> > Was the 4 cyl engine a prototype with the diesel? What about the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > Bob Miles
> > Tucson AZ
Transtar60 - 31 Jan 2004 15:01 GMT
It was on ebay last year(In a Northeast state, NY or Penn). The only
trucks with 4 bangers(post WWII) were the big trucks with GM 4-71's.
Last year it had a stake bed on it. The photo album doesnt work or they
only have one picture of it. They also have NOT replied to email I sent
them.(Out of curiosity, I have too many trucks as it is.<G>)

> Truck is in the Daytona area. It had a 4 banger (what for lunch). It should
> go cheap!
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>>>Bob Miles
>>>Tucson AZ
Bob Palma - 31 Jan 2004 20:39 GMT
OK, all you fellow STDs (NOT what you think regarding medical maladys;
I mean Studebaker Truck Detectives!)

Regarding this Champ listing: If the photo album works, you can see 10
photos of this truck. Look real carefully at all of them if you can
access them.

Is it possible that this truck's cab and bed have already been mounted
on an
S-10 chassis? That would account for quite a few oddities: the rear
wheel track versus bed position, the unusual suspended pedals,
possibly some shady details in the chassis that don't seem quite right
(from what you can see; not much, I agree).

Finally, it would account for the ACCURACY of the "4-banger" having
been removed and replaced with a 307! (as in Chevrolet).

Just a thought.

(BTW: Jeff has a good point about location: New Smyrna Beach is
"coastal." I have a friend who visits mutual friends in New Smyrna
Beach and has spent time junk-yarding at an old yard there. He says
everything that has been in that yard more than ten years is rusted on
top paper-thin from the salt air!)

Back to S-10 chassis research...

(Or, since the wheel covers are late-model MoPar, maybe it has been
mounted on an older Dodge Dakota short-bed chassis??)

BP

Jeff Rice wrote in message:
> > Hmmmm...
> > This one could be trouble...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > Questions to seller should be many...
> > Jeff (Flea market hubcaps don't help either <g>) Rice
Lee - 31 Jan 2004 20:55 GMT
Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!  Good observation Bob!  Now that I look at it, the
front bumper seems WAY too high for a stock Champ Truck too.

>OK, all you fellow STDs (NOT what you think regarding medical maladys;
>I mean Studebaker Truck Detectives!)
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>> > Questions to seller should be many...
>> > Jeff (Flea market hubcaps don't help either <g>) Rice

Lee DeLaBarre
Daytona62
1952 Commander chassis and drive train (For Sale, whole or parts)
1953 Commander Hardtop (Parts Car)
1955 Commander Coupe (Soon to be sold)
1961 Hawk (Soon to be a '53 Coupe)
1962 Lark Daytona Convertible 62V10399
1962 Lark Regal Convertible 62V????? (Dad's Last New Studebaker)
1962 Lark Regal Convertible 62V41115 (When Done, Dad's Next New Studebaker)
1962 Champ 1/2 Ton (For Sale)
1963 Avanti (Parts Car/For Sale)
1963 Cruiser (Body Tub on Frame and Most Sheet Metal/For Sale)
1963 Daytona Wagonaire (Debbie's "Little Red Wagon")
1963 GT Hawk 63V14568 (The Insurance Hawk)
1964 Avanti R2 4-Speed R5410 (Lark in a Party Dress <G>)
1964 Cruiser 64V10452 (Dubbed the Survivor II/For Sale)
1964 Lark 4-Door Sedan 64V17327 R1 Powered Y3 Police Car
1964 Lark Convertible (Really Jim Turner's
                     but posession is 9/10 of the law)
1964 Lark Convertible (Canadian Built)
1966 Cruiser
(2) Studebaker Factory Parts Train Cars
Ron  /Champ 6 - 31 Jan 2004 22:53 GMT
I KNEW something looked wrong in front, and that's it!
Also look at the LR 3/4 photo....no rear leaf springs.

>Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!  Good observation Bob!  Now that I look at it, the
>front bumper seems WAY too high for a stock Champ Truck too.
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
>1966 Cruiser
>(2) Studebaker Factory Parts Train Cars

Ron/Champ 6

1963 8E5 Champ (Champ 6)
1962 Lark Daytona Convertible (Boomerang)
1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk)
1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley)
Transtar60 - 31 Jan 2004 23:16 GMT
No tail light lenses either but its been bid over $1000.

I believe S10's and Dakota's have rear leaf springs.
Maybe a Olds Cutlass chassis.???

Ron /Champ 6 wrote:
> I KNEW something looked wrong in front, and that's it!
>  Also look at the LR 3/4 photo....no rear leaf springs.
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> 1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk)
> 1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley)
Lee - 31 Jan 2004 23:32 GMT
I totally missed the lenses!

>No tail light lenses either but its been bid over $1000.
>
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>> 1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk)
>> 1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley)

Lee DeLaBarre
Daytona62
1952 Commander chassis and drive train (For Sale, whole or parts)
1953 Commander Hardtop (Parts Car)
1955 Commander Coupe (Soon to be sold)
1961 Hawk (Soon to be a '53 Coupe)
1962 Lark Daytona Convertible 62V10399
1962 Lark Regal Convertible 62V????? (Dad's Last New Studebaker)
1962 Lark Regal Convertible 62V41115 (When Done, Dad's Next New Studebaker)
1962 Champ 1/2 Ton (For Sale)
1963 Avanti (Parts Car/For Sale)
1963 Cruiser (Body Tub on Frame and Most Sheet Metal/For Sale)
1963 Daytona Wagonaire (Debbie's "Little Red Wagon")
1963 GT Hawk 63V14568 (The Insurance Hawk)
1964 Avanti R2 4-Speed R5410 (Lark in a Party Dress <G>)
1964 Cruiser 64V10452 (Dubbed the Survivor II/For Sale)
1964 Lark 4-Door Sedan 64V17327 R1 Powered Y3 Police Car
1964 Lark Convertible (Really Jim Turner's
                     but posession is 9/10 of the law)
1964 Lark Convertible (Canadian Built)
1966 Cruiser
(2) Studebaker Factory Parts Train Cars
Lee - 31 Jan 2004 23:31 GMT
I would love to climb under that truck and see what's REALLY there!

>I KNEW something looked wrong in front, and that's it!
> Also look at the LR 3/4 photo....no rear leaf springs.
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk)
>1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley)

Lee DeLaBarre
Daytona62
1952 Commander chassis and drive train (For Sale, whole or parts)
1953 Commander Hardtop (Parts Car)
1955 Commander Coupe (Soon to be sold)
1961 Hawk (Soon to be a '53 Coupe)
1962 Lark Daytona Convertible 62V10399
1962 Lark Regal Convertible 62V????? (Dad's Last New Studebaker)
1962 Lark Regal Convertible 62V41115 (When Done, Dad's Next New Studebaker)
1962 Champ 1/2 Ton (For Sale)
1963 Avanti (Parts Car/For Sale)
1963 Cruiser (Body Tub on Frame and Most Sheet Metal/For Sale)
1963 Daytona Wagonaire (Debbie's "Little Red Wagon")
1963 GT Hawk 63V14568 (The Insurance Hawk)
1964 Avanti R2 4-Speed R5410 (Lark in a Party Dress <G>)
1964 Cruiser 64V10452 (Dubbed the Survivor II/For Sale)
1964 Lark 4-Door Sedan 64V17327 R1 Powered Y3 Police Car
1964 Lark Convertible (Really Jim Turner's
                     but posession is 9/10 of the law)
1964 Lark Convertible (Canadian Built)
1966 Cruiser
(2) Studebaker Factory Parts Train Cars
Transtar60 - 31 Jan 2004 23:18 GMT
It is too high. BP maybe onto sumptin!

> Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!  Good observation Bob!  Now that I look at it, the
> front bumper seems WAY too high for a stock Champ Truck too.

snip
Transtar60 - 31 Jan 2004 22:52 GMT
BP
At first the wheels do appear to set in but it could just be the camera
angle.
The "dodge" bed doesnt fit or look right anyway.(But I still own three
or four).
I see that no obvious provision for controling the automatic tranny has
been made.
The only suspended pedal I can see is the accelerator.
But you can see the plate on the floor where the originals came thru.
The listing calls it a stake bed truck. The description of the truck and
the sellers ebay same seem to be the same as one on ebay last year in NY
or Penn.

Just because a Champ body does not seem to sit right on the chassis, is
an indicator the Stude chassis is still there.

Charlie Veit
7E7
8E7
8E12
etc

> OK, all you fellow STDs (NOT what you think regarding medical maladys;
> I mean Studebaker Truck Detectives!)
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>>>Questions to seller should be many...
>>>Jeff (Flea market hubcaps don't help either <g>) Rice
mark hoffman - 31 Jan 2004 21:26 GMT
> Jeff (Flea market hubcaps don't help either <g>) Rice

FLEA MARKET????

those are factory Chrysler Corp wheelcovers from the mid 1980's

<grin>

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Jeff Rice - 31 Jan 2004 21:38 GMT
Only place I ever see them is at the flea market<g>
Jeff (junkyard won't take 'em ) Rice

> FLEA MARKET????
> those are factory Chrysler Corp wheelcovers from the mid 1980's
> <grin>

> > Jeff (Flea market hubcaps don't help either <g>) Rice
Oldcarfart - 31 Jan 2004 12:48 GMT
>Subject: EBay is educational for new Studebaker information
>From: rmc61coupe@aol.com  (rmc61coupe)

>Gee, I learn something every day:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6466&item=2457
570111

it must be a real piece of schitt if no inspection is allowed.
Itraseecab - 31 Jan 2004 15:50 GMT
Are those Toyota wheels?
Joe Roberts
 
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