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OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the Nicorette gum and so far so good. I was going through a pound of pipe tobacco a month and that's just nuts. I'd get high on the Diet Dr Pepper, than smoke the pipe to even out. If you see me at Reedsville without my trusty pipe, I'll have made it.  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 63 GT Hawk (sold) 63 Avanti R2 (sold) 56 E12 Pickup Follow the polls: http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) I wish you luck buddy.I was off the evil weed for 6 months,then one night I was working in the shop late on the Transtar and my brother dropped in to see how I was doing,offered me a smoke,I felt I deserved it after what Id just been through with the truck,now Im doing a half pack a day again,at 10 bucks a pack,it is nuts. > OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the > Nicorette gum and so far so good. I was going through a pound of pipe [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) > http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) Good luck, John. Tobacco is insidious in any form. I smoked 27 years, steady from 16, and at least a (25) pack or two a day of the strongest Canadian cigarettes going. I quit a bunch of times, as long as 10 months once, so I will say that just because I haven't had one currently since Jan 11, 1996, doesn't mean I might break down some time in the future. <G> Jim Bartley on PEI--I still like the smell of it.(dang!) > I wish you luck buddy.I was off the evil weed for 6 months,then one night I > was working in the shop late on the Transtar and my brother dropped in to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) > > http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) >I wish you luck buddy.I was off the evil weed for 6 months,then one night I > was working in the shop late on the Transtar and my brother dropped in to > see how I was doing,offered me a smoke,I felt I deserved it after what Id > just been through with the truck,now Im doing a half pack a day again,at > 10 > bucks a pack,it is nuts. $10/pack??? You sure it's tobacco you're smoking? Lee Yep,10 bucks a pack,its our freindly Feds trying to make us Canucks all more healthy,or broke! > >I wish you luck buddy.I was off the evil weed for 6 months,then one night I > > was working in the shop late on the Transtar and my brother dropped in to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lee The liberal side of me would vote for a liberal tax, add say $1.00 pack, increase it a $1.00 a year until all the smokers give up. Take the money and put it in to health care or a cancer cure. Than my conservative side says you have a right to kill yourself if you want. <g> I know a higher tax would have made me quit earlier, but I still see both arguments, and I lean toward personal responsibility. > Yep,10 bucks a pack,its our freindly Feds trying to make us Canucks all more > healthy,or broke! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >>Lee SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 63 GT Hawk (sold) 63 Avanti R2 (sold) 56 E12 Pickup Follow the polls: http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) They have tried exactly that,but you reach a point where it starts to backfire.When cigs get so expensive it increases tobacco smuggling from native reserves and from the US.Also there are many more corner store robberies where they take cash and tobacco.We have had several major holdups where large well organised gangs have robbed large stores and tied up the employees and loaded cube vans with smokes,thousands of dollars worth.We are very liberal up here in some ways,I feel its only a matter of time untill the Government is going to legalize marijuana and tax the Sh%T out of it,too many large scale grow operations making a large tax free income,1k /plant.Its now illegal to smoke tobacco in any public place in Nova Scotia,restauants,bars,everything,even outdoors in town. > The liberal side of me would vote for a liberal tax, add say $1.00 pack, > increase it a $1.00 a year until all the smokers give up. Take the money [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) > http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) Heck, that's old hat in NYC... They raised NYC taxes on butt's and now there is massive smuggling going on between New Jersey and NYC..... Turf wars too... Jeff "Robert Black" wrote. > They have tried exactly that,but you reach a point where it starts to > backfire.When cigs get so expensive it increases tobacco smuggling from [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) >> http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) > Heck, that's old hat in NYC... > They raised NYC taxes on butt's and now there is massive smuggling going on > between New Jersey and NYC..... Turf wars too... > Jeff New Jersey? They're rediculously expensive there, too. Last time I was up there it was something like $5-6 a pack. Oddly enough, I smoke a lot less than I used to. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel That would be about $8.00 US for a pack of 25, or about $6.40 US for a US sized pack. Yup, they are expensive here, and smoking has been dropping off sharply here. it also helps (for me anyway) that it just isn't legal to smoke in any public spot anymore on PEI--now I can go out once again to places with live music. By the way, I just heard that the Big 6 US tobacco firms spent $12 Billion in advertising this year in the US, and smoking out your way was still off 6 percent. Jim Bartley on PEI >>I wish you luck buddy.I was off the evil weed for 6 months,then one night >>I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lee << OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the Nicorette gum and so far so good >> good job John- nicorette huh? i might have to try that my doc keeps telling me-only one kidney left hang tuff > << OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the > Nicorette gum and so far so good >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > hang tuff Everyone that I know that has successfully quit did it cold turkey. Simple "mind over matter" according to them. SignatureJT (Who has no qualification -- Never a smoker) Maybe, but the gum seems to be working and I've already started cutting back on it. >><< OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the >>Nicorette gum and so far so good >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Everyone that I know that has successfully quit did it cold turkey. > Simple "mind over matter" according to them. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 63 GT Hawk (sold) 63 Avanti R2 (sold) 56 E12 Pickup Follow the polls: http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) >Subject: Re: On a mission >From: John Poulos avanti@erols.com > Maybe, but the gum seems to be working and I've already started >cutting back on it. get Marsha to attend one of those lady's "Toy Party's" and get the miniature penis pencil eraser, put it on your pipe and maybe you will hesitate to put it into your mouth. Miniature to you maybe <lol>... "Oldcarfart" wrote.. > get Marsha to attend one of those lady's "Toy Party's" and get the > miniature > penis pencil eraser, put it on your pipe and maybe you will hesitate to > put it > into your mouth. > >Subject: Re: On a mission >>From: John Poulos Maybe, but the gum seems to be working and I've already started >>cutting back on it. << Everyone that I know that has successfully quit did it cold turkey. Simple "mind over matter" according to them. >> you assume i have a mind-- we haven't met obviously lol I tried that- and even almost dying didnt stop me-- so i need something Cold turkey method worked for me when all else failed. But I gave myself a good chance by finding out a bit about the nicotine craving cycle first, and the physiology. (I'd quit cold turkey before and it didn't work.) First, your best bet is to run out of cigarettes just before bedtime. Quit on that day, and not an arbitrary day like January 1st (that dooms you) The reason is that your sleep cycle brain chemicals shut down the craving and withdrawl while you are asleep, so you get a 6-8 hour painless start. Second, withdrawl is like a hangover. Your electrolytes go off, just like after a binge, and your brain swells and it hurts.So, take some aspirin or whatever works for you (go easy on Acetomenaphin- it can be quite toxic for your liver) Third, counteract the addiction at source--and correct your electrolytes at the same time. Drink nothing but grapefruit juice (sour is better for this whole process, because "sweet" is often a trigger for smoking.) Gallons of the stuff. It fills you up, and vitamin C helps flush out the nicotine in the addiction centre of your brain in very short order. Fourth, everytime you get "antsy", have a tepid (barely above body temp shower) until you relax and are sleepy. Then go take a nap for half an hour. Fifth, repeat this process all day long. When I did it, it felt like having mild flu for about 24 hours, I went through 2 gallons of grapefruit juice (and it went through me) and had eight showers. The morning after the next night of sleep and it was all over. 30 hours in all from my last cigarette, and no cravings left. Sixth, avoid anything fatty or spicy, and especially caffeine of any sort, for a day or two or ten. I never had a cigarette after that, after 25 years of 35-60 of very high tar and nicotine cigarettes per day. My cough cleared up in just a few months... BTW, this is very similar to the cold turkey regime that treatment facilities and so forth used for heroin addicts. Jim Bartley on PEI >> << OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the >> Nicorette gum and so far so good >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Everyone that I know that has successfully quit did it cold turkey. > Simple "mind over matter" according to them. 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I tried the Nicorette, and all that happened was that after one piece, I'd have another, then chewing both pieces, went down to the store, bought a pack of cigs, and drove home smoking AND chewing the Nicorette. Finally, I tried the hypnosis. 2 hour session. First hour was talking about addiction and hypnosis. After the first hour, everyone went outside and had their last cigarette ( we tried others' brands too), Then we went inside, got zapped, and that was it for me! No cravings, no problems, no backsliding. Not every one does so good, it depends how much physical addiction and how much psychological addiction each person has. Go JP! >I have been smoke free for about 15 years now. >The biggest temptation to restart comes at a restaurant after a great meal, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) >> http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) Ron/Champ 6 1963 8E5 Champ (Champ 6) 1962 Lark Daytona Convertible (Boomerang) 1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk) 1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley) 1973 Volvo 1800 ES (An Clar) Well, 3 days in, I'm chewing less gum than recommended. It might be much easier for a pipe smoker though, I don't think I was really inhaling as much smoke as a cigarette smoker. > Today is my17th year off the damn cancer sticks. I tried the > Nicorette, and all that happened was that after one piece, I'd have [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > 1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley) > 1973 Volvo 1800 ES (An Clar) SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 63 GT Hawk (sold) 63 Avanti R2 (sold) 56 E12 Pickup Follow the polls: http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) > Well, 3 days in, I'm chewing less gum than recommended. It might be much > easier for a pipe smoker though, I don't think I was really inhaling as > much smoke as a cigarette smoker. Used to be at least a one pack a day'r. Tried pipes, but quickly tired of feeling like my tongue was on fire... either from the burning tobacco, or from sucking flames down my mouth, trying to keep the dang thing lit. On a stake-out one night, with senior detectives, I was in a situation where smoking could result in one's head being blown off. About to have a nicotine fit, I was handed some chewing tobacco by one of the senior guys. Taking that plug was the biggest mistake I ever made. I quit smoking, and have been addicted to Skoal for more years than I can remember. Hang in there, John, GIVE IT UP! SignatureDave Lester Home of the Internationally Renowned Studebakers, 'Sheba and Goliath See pictures at www.davesplaceinc.com Good for you JP. I quit cigarettes 25 years ago after an aborted 2 year stint off of them. Still today, I like second hand smoke. My mother just went through a heart/blood pressure episode and they put her on the patch and she quit....after a steady 65 year habit. You can do it! Jeff "John Poulos" wrote... > OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the Nicorette > gum and so far so good. <snip> Ah Hah!!! Why didn't I think of that??? Pipe smokers are always liberals!!! Puffin' away and contemplating (while stinking up the surrounding formerly clean air) life's mysteries and how to change the path of humanity... You mean that you're gonna wake up to the gilded benefits of conservatism??? <G> JT (Who had no idea (but should have) known that JP sucked on a pipe) > OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the > Nicorette gum and so far so good. I was going through a pound of pipe [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) > http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) - I still smoke about a pack of non-filters every day.When I did a lot of field service in the tri-state area and logging hundreds of miles a day,(most of it in traffic),I really puffed away,2-3 packs a day. A friend of mine recently went in for a biopsy on his lung and had a mass,he went in for surgery and had a lung removed, Ten days later he started to smoke again! Charlie I guess I should fess up and say I got a bit of a scare. The constant pipe smoking was cooking the roof of my mouth and the back of my tongue with nice hot, nicotine laden smoke. I noticed a nice brown spot on the back of my tongue which turned out to be just a inflammation from the smoke, and it's going away already, but that was a wake up call for me. > I still smoke about a pack of non-filters every day.When I did a lot of field > service in the tri-state area and logging hundreds of miles a day,(most of it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charlie SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 63 GT Hawk (sold) 63 Avanti R2 (sold) 56 E12 Pickup Follow the polls: http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) Told to me by a hospital employee. Lady in oxygen tent gets out of bed and slips into the toilet for a cigarette. No problem. She had enought sense to move away from the tent, at least. Karl Haas > I still smoke about a pack of non-filters every day.When I did a lot of field > service in the tri-state area and logging hundreds of miles a day,(most of it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charlie I'll never be conservative in the neo-con or evangelical Christian mode, but I am a fiscal conservative, I just want the government to stay out of my private life too. I support worthwhile social programs if we have the money to pay for them, but don't agree with the 'compassionate conservative'idea that we can have guns, butter AND cut taxes. > Ah Hah!!! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 63 GT Hawk (sold) 63 Avanti R2 (sold) 56 E12 Pickup Follow the polls: http://electoral-vote.com/ (Kerry guy page) http://www.electionprojection.com/ (Bush guy page) JP Keep up the spirits. YOU CAN DO IT. And to Dave you can stop that chewing too. My husband knew I did not like it and last Christmas he gave me one of the sweetest presents by giving it up. The best Christmas present was the one the year before when we married a few days after Christmas. My father died at age 57 after smoking like a chimney for all his adult life and part of his youth. > I'll never be conservative in the neo-con or evangelical Christian > mode, but I am a fiscal conservative, I just want the government to stay [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > - I smoked heavily for twenty two years. Luckies, two packs a day. Quit cold turkey in 1976. I can't imagine anyone successfully tapering off to zero. That is just a sales gimmick that preys on a person's wanting to do it without stress. Ditto for hypnotism. Visualized my lungs turning black, If you can't visualize, and library has actual photos of smokers' lungs. They are black. DON'T THINK OF IT AS GIVING SOMETHING UP --- THINK OF IT AS GAINING SOMETHING. For those "planning on quitting" don't pick a date. (I used to have to light up from just thinking sbout quitting.) That is a stupid plan -- don't put extra pressure on yourself, just quit. You don't have to do this tonight. Don't plan on quitting, you will quit if/when you are mentally ready. Use all the crutches you need. Orange juice, Dum-Dum suckers, whatever. Read up on the subject of helpful things. The urge is transitory. If you "want" a smoke. Take ten deep breaths, the time required for that helps the urge to pass. Watch for hyperventilation at first <G> your body isn't used to that much air. Go do something else at the time you would normally always smoke. Like after a meal --- go paint the house, or take a walk, or mow the yard, or rake the leaves or... . Quit one hour at a time if needed, then quit a half day, etc. Told myself that I could have one if I needed too but I didn't need to yet. That takes some pressure off. Even kept a pack of cigarettes. My wife continued to smoke. Availability has nothing to do with quitting in your mind. For those that haven't quit yet-- don't tell everyone that you are quitting.(Common error.) It just puts more pressure on you and nobody can be your assistant willpower anyhow. Two years ago my wife quit without telling anyone, including me. She had heard my advice to others but I NEVER tried to tell/ask her to quit. Nobody can cause someone else to quit, so don't go preaching to others about quitting unless they ask how you did it. The urge to smoke will get farther and farther apart as the years go by. I've only had to take ten deep breaths perhaps once in the last three years. If you take a smoke after "quitting" you are not an unworthy person. You just had one smoke. You are not required by some code to continue. If you have the second and third, then we can deduce that you really didn't want to quit in your mind yet. There's probably more but nobody has brought the subject up lately so I probably have left some stuff out. I'd wish you luck but you don't need it. You are in control now. SignatureLark Parker > I smoked heavily for twenty two years. Luckies, two packs a day. > Quit cold turkey in 1976. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > -- > Lark Parker I think that sums it up pretty well... SignatureJT Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4 I couldn't give up smoking - too much pressure in saying, "This is the last cigarette I will ever have." After years of failing, I realized it was that pressure that was controlling me. I set up easy ules. I could smoke anytime I wanted to, unless it in the quarters hours between the top of the hour and 1/4 oast, and between half-past and quarter of. Thus, I was never more than 15 minutes from being ble to smoke. After meal smoke was OK, not matter what the time, same with parties. This gradually cut down on the smoking until one day, at the top of turn two at Sears Point I bummed two cigarettes from my buddy. Both of the tasted horrible. I haven't had a smoke for 15 - 20 years, but I can anytime I want - as long as it fits the rules which worked for me. Karl > OK, it's been two days without smoking the pipe, been using the > Nicorette gum and so far so good. I was going through a pound of pipe > tobacco a month and that's just nuts. I'd get high on the Diet Dr > Pepper, than smoke the pipe to even out. If you see me at Reedsville > without my trusty pipe, I'll have made it. I was not a heavy or long time smoker, but I quit by convincing myself that it was just a habit, not a need and not even very enjoyable. I don't think that anyone can convince someone else to quit. the person has to decide for themselves. Where I last sold cars, the salesman before me was a heavy cigarette smoker and died of lung cancer in his 40s. His widow still smokes cigarettes. The salesman after me died of cancer of the esophagus after being a long time pipe smoker. He was about 58-60 years old. The latest salesman there is a cigarette smoker, probably in his 40s (maybe just a matter of time). Gary L. 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