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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / October 2004

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Skybolt 6 Engine Performance

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George B. Shields, Jr. - 25 Oct 2004 13:24 GMT
Hi Studidudes, I recently bought a 63 Lark Daytona Convertible with
the 170 CID 6 cylinder engine married to a three speed (no OD) tranny.
Now, I know this engine was never noted for peppy performance, however
I was wondering if other skybolt 6 owners could share their
observations with me.  I mainly note that this engine has pretty poor
low rpm torque. When I start out from a dead stop, I need to rev the
engine a fair amount and then release the clutch pretty gradually
(over 3-5 seconds time) to get the car moving without the engine
lugging, sputtering or stalling. Do others have this experience too?
The timing is right on and the car is fitted with new spark plugs. I'm
wondering if a rebuilt carb or new coil may help?

Thanks,
-George-
RMC61Coupe - 25 Oct 2004 16:24 GMT
I had a 62 regal 2 door hardtop. The car was not a jump off the line car but I
did not have the problems you have. Now I know the ragtop weighs in more than
the 2 door but I would not think that should make that much difference.

You have to keep the revs up on a six; they are not good "luggers" like the V8.
Have you done a compression check? Everyone that has had a OHV six knows that
valve adjustment and running cool is critical on that six. I would look at that
before going to carb or electrical gremlins. I would check the distributor cap
for a very tiny crack in it that would divert spark. How does the car idle? Is
it just when you have a start off load the car bucks?

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
Ron /Champ 6 - 25 Oct 2004 21:42 GMT
Also, what is the rear end ratio? a 3.31 will make launching tough,
and yet without OD, more than a 3.73 will scream on the highway. As
Bob says, valve adjustment makes a huge difference on this engine, too
loose, you loose power and have lots of noise. To tight, and the
valves don't seal well, with burned valves a s result. Make sure the
distributor is up to snuff. The centrifugal advance weights wear, and
screw up performance. The distributor shaft bushings wear as well,
with erratic dwell causing problems.

It'll never be fast, but you should be able to launch without this
kind of problem.

Ron

>I had a 62 regal 2 door hardtop. The car was not a jump off the line car but I
>did not have the problems you have. Now I know the ragtop weighs in more than
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Bob Miles
>Tucson AZ

Ron/Champ 6

1963 8E5 Champ (Champ 6)
1962 Lark Daytona Convertible (Boomerang)
1995 VW Passat (Vanilla..yuk)
1994 Volvo 850 (Tilley)
1973 Volvo 1800 ES (An Clar)
keith kichefski - 25 Oct 2004 22:15 GMT
I owned quite a few and never had those problems.  All of mine had the
3.73 axle.  In fact I thought the engine had lots of torque.  I could
let the clutch out carefully at an idle.  Once the clutch was fully
engaged, I could give it some gas and take off.
If you still have the RBS carb, you might want to look there (low
speed jet plugged).  Make sure the distributor diaphragm isn't
punctured, as it will make for a lean vacuum leak.
If the car pops through the carburetor and at other times loads up,
see if the heat tube is cracked, which allows exhaust into the choke
stove and gums up the choke pull piston.
I usually would retrofit an AS carburetor from a 1959-62, as I felt
they were a little better than the RBS.
KK

> Hi Studidudes, I recently bought a 63 Lark Daytona Convertible with
> the 170 CID 6 cylinder engine married to a three speed (no OD) tranny.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks,
> -George-
George B. Shields, Jr. - 30 Oct 2004 04:02 GMT
Thanks to all of your who have offered your insights and suggestions.
Where I am right now is that I'm getting pretty decent torque and
power at the moment by having adjusted the timing and running some
good quality fuel system cleaner through it. I have received one
interesting suggestion to advance the timing up to 10 degrees post TDC
and observe the results, on the knowledge that Studebaker's factory
timing was historically conservative. I may give that a go, and back
it off again if I encounter any run-on, popping or pinging. To answer
a couple of specific points: the engine idles very smoothly, no
misfiring, popping or other issues. The engine also runs very, very
smoothly as well now, with good (er, decent) responsivemness,
expecially when accelerating from the 25 - 40 mph range.  The rear end
is a 4.06 ratio, and takeoff and accelereation is really pretty good,
considering. I have found that this engine does not like lugging at
all, but rather hits a nice solid torque range in the 2300 and up
RPMs. I think perhaps I'm asking this 170 CID six to behave like a 289
CID V8 which is nonsense. -George-

> Hi Studidudes, I recently bought a 63 Lark Daytona Convertible with
> the 170 CID 6 cylinder engine married to a three speed (no OD) tranny.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks,
> -George-
Oldcarfart - 30 Oct 2004 12:10 GMT
> I think perhaps I'm asking this 170 CID six to behave like a 289
>CID V8 which is nonsense.

I have a 2bbl carb and an aluminum head from a flathead 6, what model 6 do you
have?
 
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