Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / October 2004
"Studebaker Showdown: Speedster vs Golden Hawk"
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Itraseecab - 27 Oct 2004 19:55 GMT I was at Books -A- Million today and saw this banner across the top of a hidden magazine. It was the December issue of Hemmings Classic Car. The article begins on page 42 and runs through 51. This includes coverage of the actual restoration of the two cars ('55 Speedster and '57 Golden Hawk). I not an expert so I'll let other hash out the accuracy of the article. Nice to see Studebaker noticed in a national publication. Joe Roberts
Bill Glass - 27 Oct 2004 22:24 GMT > Nice to see >Studebaker noticed in a national publication. I have a distinct feeling that you will be seeing many more articles like that over the next few years.
Not to bemoan a fact, but how many articles can be written about the restoration of a Chevrolet, Ford or the important Chrysler products
Studebaker is basically the last vestage of old cars that has an un-tapped resource of articles, and materials to be written.
How accurate the authors will be is one thing to worry about, as Studebaker has many facts assocuiated with it, that have no foundation of truth.
Hudson, Kaiser, etc, were stoogy compared to the Studebakers from 1053 and up.
We have seen values go up, now interest goes up, and with interest going up again, prices will rise.
I would guesstimate that within a few years, some of our $13,000 to $30,000 cars quite possibly will go up in value by 50% or more.
For once these un-discovered cars have had a hidden following who carefully restored them back to originality, and others have customized them. The so-called finsihed producs will command very high prices as Studebaker finally comes into its own.
The mere fact that Hemmings picked Studebaker, and two of the most sort after models to do a story on, indicates that they are writting to their market, and their market has asked for info on Studebaker.
Also remember, unlike other makes, we can still obtain NOS parts going back to the late 30's and late 40's and at a fairly reasonable price. Try that, with another make.
I know that there will be a number out there who would still like our distinguished anonimitty, but while the average owner of a Studebaker is up there in age, the average age of the competition is at least 10 to 20 years younger, with a higher disposable income.
For once, our ship has come in, and we are not at the airport.
Billy http://bondobilly.com/#stuff TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEW SHIRTS.....THEY ARE NEAT
No Wizer - 28 Oct 2004 00:00 GMT for those who don't know: Hemmings Classic Cars is the new, monthly reincaration of Special Interest Autos. Besides being a monthly now, the mag is much thicker......a lot of the articles are heavy with plugs for suppliers/advertisers and I hope there will be some comparo tests (as in the past Packard/Cadillac faceoff).
I haven't got the issue in front of me now....there were a couple minor inaccuracies, but generally pretty good. The same guy owns both cars and they got big-buck body-off restorations.........looking at the body-colored trunk interiors, I couldn't help but wonder how JPs favorite judges would rate them, lol.
Also an article on a rebuild of a '57 Bel Air convertible...........the ONLY part of the body that was saved was the firewall/cowl......EVERYTHING else is repro: floors, inner panels, outer panels, EVERYTHING. But it'd probably get a 1 at a Chebie meet. Is it a restoration, or a replicar?
While I'm here, I'll vent another frustration....maybe other Packard types saw the '52 Mayfair hardtop that sold today on eBay. VERY pretty car....but: a '52 with '53 front and rear bumpers and tail light trim, senior-style tail lights and no speedline on rear fenders, chrome rocker panel trim, and some kind of a V8 engine claimed to be a Packard.....I wrote the guy and asked if it was a 320--352 or 374....and if it was Twin-Ultramatic. He replied that he didn't know about the engine and thinks it is a Hydramatic. So it's a bastard car....pretty, but still a bastard. Last time I looked it was up to $22,000.00
Ya better switch to Packards, JP.
Bill Glass - 28 Oct 2004 14:40 GMT Somebody yesterday posted an article about Deusenbergs, I went looking nad found an article on that site/web address about watching out for conterfiet cars. The market is full of them
The day we brought our ragtop home we stopped for a bite to eat. Me, and the flat bed owner. As we were eating, another flat bed rolled in, on the be was what was once a 56 Chevrolet convertible. I say once, as there was very little that was salvageable. tied to the back of the flatbed with a long tube/pipe thingy was the same year Chevrolet, but a hardtop, not to difficult to figure out what was going to happen.
Now, as far as Studebakers go........ lets us imagine we are going to restore a 1956 Golden Hawk, (best example for this discussion), we determine we need "X" sheet matal parts. we obtain NOS, no holes drilled for cosmetics to be fitted inplace, fenders, the numbers say that the fenders are from a 57 Hawk, one door is from a 53, and one rear quarter is from a 54, does that make the car an "air car"?
I am asking that because on our 47 Commander ragtop, we obtained NOS fenders, neither of them had any holes pre-drilled for trim, like fender spears. The left had a replacement part number and the right also without trim holes was made for an export car, with the harness holders on the left side...... does that make the car an air car? http://bondobilly.com/#stuff TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEW SHIRTS.....THEY ARE NEAT
Jeffrey DeWitt - 30 Oct 2004 20:31 GMT No, of course not. When you got finished with that Hawk it still has the original frame, greenhouse, and a lot of other stuff. You took a rust bucket and restored it with the parts available. It sounds like the guy with the Chevy was going to build a car with the only real connection to the "original" the ID plate.
Jeff DeWitt
> Somebody yesterday posted an article about Deusenbergs, I went looking nad > found an article on that site/web address about watching out for conterfiet [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > http://bondobilly.com/#stuff > TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEW SHIRTS.....THEY ARE NEAT Mike W - 28 Oct 2004 03:05 GMT >and saw this banner across the top of a hidden >magazine. It was the December issue of Hemmings Classic Car. Yes, they have contacted me about doing an article on the Packard Hawks.
Mike W. Packard Hawk www.packardhawk.com
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