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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / October 2004

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R1 fuel pump oil leak

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roger jennings - 29 Oct 2004 04:40 GMT
Hi group, I recently fitted a rebuilt R1 fuel pump to my R1 Avanti,I
have noticed it seems to be venting or blowing oil out of a small hole
on top of the casing, I removed pump and dismantled it ,the top half
was full of engine oil,it seems the oil is filling the top part of the
pump then blowing through a small hole. I fitted new gasket to pump to
block but no better, is this vent hole needed ,can I fill it without
causing any problems. The pump is a slightly different shape than the
Avanti manual shows, perhaps a earlier type. I had a standard 289 pump
on before with no problems . your suggestions please, thank you from
Roger.
Michael Mudd - 29 Oct 2004 13:14 GMT
 The Carter pumps, Stude used on the "R" engines, have a seal on the
diaphragm stem.  It is supposed to keep oil off the back side of the
diaphragm.  On an R1 pump there's a hole that vents this area to the
atmosphere; and blows oil if the seal fails.
 An original R1 pump is stamped 3509S on the mounting flange.  An R2 is
3508S, and is drilled and tapped for a line to the supercharger.  Both of
these are large diameter pumps, and worth rebuilding.  "Then And Now Auto
Parts Cellar" has rebuild kits.
http://www.then-now.com/The_Cellar/cellar.htm
                                             Mike
John Poulos - 29 Oct 2004 13:19 GMT
Good info, but I have to pitch Ted Harbit for the kits, he stocks them
and the tiny profit makes the Chicken Hawk go fast <g> BTW, you can
convert the R1 pump to a R2 by drilling a hole for the blower fitting.
Ted is sending me a high output modified Mopar pump to try on my R2,
I'll report back.

>   The Carter pumps, Stude used on the "R" engines, have a seal on the
> diaphragm stem.  It is supposed to keep oil off the back side of the
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> http://www.then-now.com/The_Cellar/cellar.htm
>                                               Mike

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Jerry - 29 Oct 2004 16:24 GMT
I have had this problem with R1 as well as the standard carter pumps. The
last standard carter pump on the one ton only lasted about 6 months and
started pushing oil. I have went thru 4 pumps in the last 2 years because of
oil leakage but they all still pumped gas. I have given up on stock pumps I
now use nothing but electric pumps on my trucks.
The only electric pump I have had problems with was a carter electric from
NAPA.After a long drive it would get very hot and quit pumping. After
cooling it was OK. I have had good luck with the round ones that Auto Zone
sells.

Jerry Kaiser (Studeblu)
64 One Ton
61 Champ pick up
53 Starlight Coupe
53 2R6
> Hi group, I recently fitted a rebuilt R1 fuel pump to my R1 Avanti,I
> have noticed it seems to be venting or blowing oil out of a small hole
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> on before with no problems . your suggestions please, thank you from
> Roger.
Michael Mudd - 29 Oct 2004 19:24 GMT
 I'm using one of the Chrysler pumps on my R2, now.  It's an M6270 Carter,
made for high performance use on the small V8's.  The operating lever is
heated and bent, at the angle closest to the camshaft, so that end is about
1/2" lower; to adapt it to the Stude.  There's a boss in the right place,
that can be drilled and tapped for the boost reference line, on R2's.  I
have had no problems with it, in 4000 miles of normal use.  It is physically
smaller than the Stude pump; and you can see the difference on the car.
Although it's a three valve, the valves are smaller than the two in the
Stude pump.  I doubt it will pump as much as the Stude; but it's probably
more than adequate, for the street.
 I rebuilt an R1 pump with a kit from "Then And Now".  I'll probably
install it when I install Ted Harbit's front seal kit, in the timing cover.
"SI" and Dave "T-Bolt", sell the "Then and Now" kits.  That may be where Ted
gets his, too.  One I got from "SI" didn't come with the instructions.
Without those, the parts look like they were for a different car!  Make sure
you get a copy, where ever you get the kit.  Older kits used a flat washer
between the stem seal and the spring that controls pressure.  Newer versions
have a formed washer, that looks like an improvement.  The seals in the
repair kits are "AC" parts; and look better than the stock Carter seals.
 Jerry, I don't know what would make the stem seal fail, prematurely.
However, if you have an oil filter on top, without the restricted fitting,
you could get an overwhelming amount of oil to the timing cover, and the
pump.  You don't have the pump on top, do you?
                                                                           
        Mike
Jerry - 29 Oct 2004 21:05 GMT
I may try the Chrysler pump on the 53 coupe. The 3 engines I have had pump
problems (oil leaking) with are all full flow 289s

Jerry Kaiser (Studeblu)
64 One Ton
61 Champ pick up
53 Starlight Coupe
53 2R6
>  I'm using one of the Chrysler pumps on my R2, now.  It's an M6270 Carter,
> made for high performance use on the small V8's.  The operating lever is
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>
> Mike
Michael Mudd - 29 Oct 2004 21:46 GMT
 Is the '53 converted to a full flow 289, too?  Stock '53 was on top, (with
its own oil line!).  I don't know if the modified Chrysler will fit those.
It works on the engines where it mounts on the timing cover.
                                            Mike
Jerry - 29 Oct 2004 22:47 GMT
Yes it will have a full flow 289 also
Thanks
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Jerry Kaiser (Studeblu)
64 One Ton
61 Champ pick up
53 Starlight Coupe
53 2R6

>  Is the '53 converted to a full flow 289, too?  Stock '53 was on top,
> (with its own oil line!).  I don't know if the modified Chrysler will fit
> those. It works on the engines where it mounts on the timing cover.
>                                             Mike
 
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