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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / November 2004

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Robert Black - 23 Nov 2004 12:26 GMT
Wonder what this Packard will go for?
http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6389&i
tem=4506093579&rd=1
Bill Glass - 23 Nov 2004 13:41 GMT
I would love to say that the car will bring $45 to $60K but, look at the top.
It has more wrinkles than my grandmothers face.

It could be the installer did not know how to do a  top, or, the car is not
even all the way around.

I am sure that Packard afficenados will bid, but not as high as it should be,
and there will be a few who will bid beyond their expertise.

Bill
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J. Lee - 23 Nov 2004 17:47 GMT
>and there will be a few who will bid beyond their expertise.

hmmmm, sounds like me. I've always called a good car day one in which I lost
less than $1000 on the deal, lol.
Thanks God I don't do it for a living, lol.
Lee Skelly

'57 Broadmoor
http://www.georgiastudebaker.com
John Poulos - 23 Nov 2004 18:34 GMT
Speaking of doing it for a living, that thought crossed my mind today as
I was wire brushing and painting all the suspension parts on the
Challenger. No one in their right mind would bid high enough to pay me
for detailing invisible stuff, but it's a "Just have to do it thing"
Damn N8 <g>

>>and there will be a few who will bid beyond their expertise.
>
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NateN - 23 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT
hey, you gotta admit that nice detailed suspension components are very very
sexy.

Look on the bright side, I've gotten less anal as I've aged.  When I was
in college, I rebuilt the suspension on my then-GF's $1100 beater '69
Valiant so it would pass inspection - I took the control arms into the
school's engine shop, ran them through the parts washer, bead blasted
them, and then painted them before I put the new bushings and ball joints
in...  If you saw the underside of that car it would drive you nuts and
then you'd be compelled to do the same on all your cars :)

nate
Barry - 23 Nov 2004 18:05 GMT
It is a beautiful car, & looks like a complete restoration, but is that
orange engine correct? I do not rememeber 56 sr. Packards being that engine
color.
Caribbeans were always on the top of my dream car list, but I sold my 55 in
'89 after divorcing wife #1, and unloaded my '53 in '01 because it needed
too much work.
Someone in OH had 2 very nice '56 Caribbeans for sale recently on ebay. One
was a nice converted "400". Both disappeared before ending.
The reserve will probably be so high on this one it will be a no-sale.
BARRY

>I would love to say that the car will bring $45 to $60K but, look at the
>top.
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Robert Black - 23 Nov 2004 19:24 GMT
The Caribbeans sure are cool.There is one in Nova Scotia here that you see
at car shows in summer.
I wonder if you could get a manual shift car,Id be afeard of that
Ultra-Matic taking a dump,but I love the car.
> It is a beautiful car, & looks like a complete restoration, but is that
> orange engine correct? I do not rememeber 56 sr. Packards being that engine
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RMC61Coupe - 23 Nov 2004 19:42 GMT
>I wonder if you could get a manual shift car,Id be afeard of that
>Ultra-Matic taking a dump,but I love the car.

There was a manual shift with O/D at the last Barrett Jackson in Scottsdale in
January. 55 Caribbean. There also was a drop dead and absolutely quiet running
1932 902 Packard sedan there also.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
Bill Glass - 23 Nov 2004 20:21 GMT
>I wonder if you could get a manual shift car,Id be afeard of that
>Ultra-Matic taking a dump,but I love the car.

Ultramatics in that car did not and do not suffer from the same problems that
the 56J did/do with that engine and tranny..

A lot of trouble associated with the Ultramatics and the Hawks have be
associated with the flexing of the frame that was under the Hawks. The
Studebaker frames could not take the torque of that engine and the prolonged
twisting of the drive train.

The Packard was built like a brick sh.t house, that was the same car my mom had
before my dad died and she drove that car everyday from White Plains to the
Bronx and back and in the worst weather and traffic and the one thing that
never failed on the car was the tranny.

The ultramatics did not have a lot of bearings, but had bushings, and the way
that the tranny was flexed the bushings wore unevenly.

5 years ago there was the Hard top version of that car at a car show, and it
was parked next to me. I got talking with the owner, his biggest gripe was the
gear selector and the way it worked or didn't work.

BG
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Barry - 23 Nov 2004 20:50 GMT
I have a 56 400 w/the same problem...

> >I wonder if you could get a manual shift car,Id be afeard of that
>>Ultra-Matic taking a dump,but I love the car.
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Bill Glass - 23 Nov 2004 20:24 GMT
> I do not rememeber 56 sr. Packards being that engine
>color.

That is the correct color. its a red/red-orange. Infact for that model year
Studebaker used that same engine color on its 352's in the GH's.

BG
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news.verizon.net - 23 Nov 2004 20:34 GMT
'56 Carribean should have a 374 Cubic inch V8 painted Bronze with chrome
valve covers..  '56 Golden Hawk had a 352 painted red with silver gray valve
covers.

Hal Hermann
>> I do not rememeber 56 sr. Packards being that engine
>>color.
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Barry - 23 Nov 2004 20:51 GMT
That sounds more like it to me, Bill!

> '56 Carribean should have a 374 Cubic inch V8 painted Bronze with chrome
> valve covers..  '56 Golden Hawk had a 352 painted red with silver gray
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Bill Glass - 23 Nov 2004 22:18 GMT
Interesting. I was always under the imprssion that ALL 352's were red across
the two lines.

I wonder then if the engine in that car is original, since the color is red,
could it have been a replacement.

Wait,,,,,,,,,,,,I have an engine at a friend house its from a Packard it was
the source of my new converter, the engine in red.

Something is fishy. athe enine is at my friends place cause I don't have room
right now, and I have a Packard engine in the back of my garage that is red
also, and that I know came out of a Packard, got it from the A& M garage.

Bill
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Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2004 23:28 GMT
> Interesting. I was always under the imprssion that ALL 352's were red across
> the two lines.
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I believe the 352s installed in Packards were green in color.  I don't
know about any of the other engines.

nate

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Robert Black - 23 Nov 2004 19:30 GMT
The top does look like hell,but nice car.
> I would love to say that the car will bring $45 to $60K but, look at the top.
> It has more wrinkles than my grandmothers face.
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Bill Pressler - 29 Nov 2004 01:50 GMT
> Wonder what this Packard will go for?
> http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6389&i
> tem=4506093579&rd=1

 That serial number is only five cars from the last Packard
convertible produced (which was serial no. 5699-1276).

  BTW, does anybody know the wherabouts of '56 Caribbean convertible
serial 5699-1258?  It was supposedly sold on ebay in 2001 and was
previously owned by Henry Brandolf of Kernersville, NC.  It was sold
new by my friend Carl E. Filer Jr. in Greenville, PA (see one photo of
the car on delivery day in the Oct '03 TW), and I have five spare,
crisp, bright color photos of the car on delivery day (different
photos) I had made from original slides, with the dealership building
behind it, and they are free to the current owner.  They belong with
the car!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
Ray Fichthorn - 29 Nov 2004 07:58 GMT
Henry still owns the car- and I often work on it. I have done some work to the tortion level
suspension, brakes, and power steering. The car just doesn't get driven enough...

Ray

>>Wonder what this Packard will go for?
>>http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6389&i
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> Bill Pressler
> Kent, OH
Bill Pressler - 30 Nov 2004 13:30 GMT
Thanks Ray, I do remember you telling me that previously.  For some
reason, someone at the Packard Club believed that car was sold in 2001
and I know I saw it at Mr. Brandolf's in 1998 and he was trying to
sell it then.

I'll find his address and send him the photos.  If he's not too
interested in them by chance, perhaps a subsequent buyer would be.

Bill

Ray Fichthorn <studeman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<HEAqd.4431

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> Henry still owns the car- and I often work on it. I have done some work to the tortion level
> suspension, brakes, and power steering. The car just doesn't get driven enough...
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> > Bill Pressler
> > Kent, OH
 
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