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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4507836630 JP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 64 GT Hawk (Ca. Div) 63 R2 4 speed 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 56 E12 Pickup (sold) Looks like a 320 point car at an IM. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4507836630 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) >56 E12 Pickup (sold) Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 > Looks like a 320 point car at an IM. Is that what you figured it would have got at Charolette? Craig. If the car is as nice as Mark says it is (and I believe him) it should be a first place car at ANY international meet. However, with the way GT's seem to get treated lately by the judging staff, they would probably classify it as a parts car. The 320 was meant as a joke. >> Looks like a 320 point car at an IM. > >Is that what you figured it would have got at Charolette? > >Craig. Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 It would need some under hood detailing to score much over 350, with the other minor age issues, 320 might be close to correct. > If the car is as nice as Mark says it is (and I believe him) it should > be a first place car at ANY international meet. However, with the way [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Lee DeLaBarre > Daytona62  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 64 GT Hawk (Ca. Div) 63 R2 4 speed 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 56 E12 Pickup (sold) Well, at least it has the correct lighter! That should help the points. Tim K. Hey, It is good to be back. After my R2 or '41 Commander did not sell the first time on eBay I realized that I am so out of touch with you guys that I needed to come back. The reason for my absence is convaluted but I will try and explain it in another thread. Still no real job though ... The van sat where we left it for a while now it is parked with the other one, I am short of funds to fix them so will settle for the free storage! OK now to the Hawk. It is really nice but ... it is a factory assembled car. This will spark the old debate about restored vs original. With a restored car you have the ability to inspect every nut & bolt, you can take a week to align the fenders and doors. You can repaint any part that is not perfect. You can hand pick the chrome & trim and delicately put it into place. The restored car is really superior to the factory original because of the attention to miniscule detail a luxury they did not have on the production line. So the value of this Hawk is it's originality and what you care to place on that, we have 2 examples here in the Black Hawk Chapter of '64 GT's where the restoration cost well into the $40,000's they are nice so I figure the reserve that Rich has put on the car is reasonable .... so is it a 320 point car? As history shows it is up to the judges! MvD It just amazes me that the Judges have no respect for an original car, they should have a separate class, but thats just my opinion. and you know what thats worth. Bob Whiten Wagonmaster http://community.webtv.net/zzbob/StudebakersandMore I think most judges do, but they still judge to the 'as new' standard and even a 8000 mile Hawk needs a lot of under hood detailing after 40 years. The Survivor Avanti scored in the 330's before detailing, 392 after. Normally, even a really nice original car will need new paint under the hood, new decals, hoses clamps, rubber and so on. I spent over 2K detailing Goldie and it was probably as nice a car as a low mileage example when I started. > It just amazes me that the Judges have no respect for an original car, > they should have a separate class, but thats just my opinion. and you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://community.webtv.net/zzbob/StudebakersandMore > SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 64 GT Hawk (Ca. Div) 63 R2 4 speed 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 56 E12 Pickup (sold) I do know that Studebaker was pretty sloppy with the yellow weather seal cement. I know of instances where the judes took points off for that and it is the way the factory made the car. 1928 Dictator 1958 Golden hawk 1960 Lark VI 1963 Avanti R2 1963 Cruiser 1964 Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser 1964 Comander 2dr 1964 Avanti R4 1977 Avanti II 1982 Avanti II I'm listing it for Black Hawk member Rich Volkmer, it made it to $25,000 at the Mecum auction here last month. It is a GREAT original car. MvD Hey Mark! Good to see you on the NG again. I was in your area (Joliet) twice in the last week but was pressed for time and had to be in and out. Wish I could have stopped in for a visit. How's the van coming along? >I'm listing it for Black Hawk member Rich Volkmer, it made it to $25,000 at >the Mecum auction here last month. It is a GREAT original car. > >MvD Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 That is quite a listing (write-up) to go with an exceptional car. My memory may be slipping. I have a glove box door off a Hawk that I thought was for 1963, but it has woodgrain on it. Was this a mid-year change or do I have a '64 only door? The part about the unused spare brings back memories. One day at work I was talking about the unused spare in my '63 Cruiser when a few people were around. The Cruiser had 28K miles and had replacement tires on the ground, but the spare was unused. One day shortly after that, I drove that car to work. When I came out of work, the car had a flat tire. I put the never used spare on the car to drive home. I then found out that there was nothing wrong with the tire that was flat other than the air was let out. Much later, I thought that I should have asked to check the parking lot surveillance videos. I never found out who did it. It is amazing what some people find to be humorous. Gary L. Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. > The part about the unused spare brings back memories. One day at work I > was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > found > out who did it. It is amazing what some people find to be humorous. So it's just not here... Lee Early 63 was only wood grained behind the gages. > That is quite a listing (write-up) to go with an exceptional car. > My memory may be slipping. I have a glove box door off a Hawk that I thought [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone > 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 64 GT Hawk (Ca. Div) 63 R2 4 speed 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) 56 E12 Pickup (sold) When > I came out of work, the car had a flat tire. I put the never used spare on the > car to drive home. I then found out that there was nothing wrong with the tire > that was flat other than the air was let out. > Gary L. > Studebaker Drivers Club Director - Northeast Zone > 36 year member of Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. Done by someone who knew you, obviously. Karl There was a guy who refused to park his truck and trailer (or at least the 40' goose neck trailer) at the Speedway trailer parking area in Daytona. He chose to park the whole rig at the motel parking lot and took up four spaces and blocked most of one aisle. Didn't bother me, nor anyone I knew, but it bugged some dork enough that he had a couple of his trailer tires slashed. I betcha it was not a Turkey Run attendee, but rather one of the wedding parties that were going on Saturday night. Kinda makes you wonder... Jeff > When > I came out of work, the car had a flat tire. I put the never used spare > on the >> car to drive home. I then found out that there was nothing wrong with >> the tire >> that was flat other than the air was let out. If there had been such a thing as Federal Motor Vehicle Decency Standards back then, I would hope the first standard would have prohibited building 1962-1964 Hawks with half a "full dash!" <G>. John Poulos <avanti@erols.com> wrote in message news: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4507836630 > If there had been such a thing as Federal Motor Vehicle Decency > Standards back then, I would hope the first standard would have > prohibited building 1962-1964 Hawks with half a "full dash!" <G>. I agree wholeheartedly Bob! I think you and I discussed this at last year's South Bend meet! I'd have to add a tach, even though it would detract from the original "aura" of the car. Man, would I love to own that baby!! I used to not like the gold with red interior on '63's, but I've grown to really appreciate it. At least it's not Ermine White (like my '63 Daytona is!)! Bill Pressler > John Poulos <avanti@erols.com> wrote in message news: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4507836630 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4507836630 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (keeper) > 56 E12 Pickup (sold) Just curious if anybody knows the serial no. of this car. If it was built and shipped that first week of Oct. '62, it should have a fairly close serial no. to my Daytona--63V-5224, which was built 9/28/62 and picked up at the plant as a retail delivery on 10/8/62. Bill Pressler |
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