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Subaru starter issue

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RIVV1 - 20 May 2005 05:20 GMT
I have a 1994 Subaru Loyale. It has 42,000 miles  my Subaru  destroys
starters.  I just had the seventh starter put on.   I got 8 starts  and
then  the starter was destroyed.   What could be causing thr  car to keep
killing starters.  Any one else have this problem ?  help !!!!!
mulder@x.files - 20 May 2005 12:01 GMT
>I have a 1994 Subaru Loyale. It has 42,000 miles  my Subaru  destroys
>starters.  I just had the seventh starter put on.   I got 8 starts  and
>then  the starter was destroyed.   What could be causing thr  car to keep
>killing starters.  Any one else have this problem ?  help !!!!!

What exactly happens to them?
Kurt C. Hack - 20 May 2005 14:55 GMT
My old Chevy truck would grind them up if the shims weren't in place.
Specifically, the bendix gear would get ground down.

If your motor is simply burning up, then you need to check the voltages
at the starter motor to determine if they are high\low etc.

Lastly, if the starter isn't disengaging you may be frying it from
running at too high of rpm from driving the car.

-Kurt

> I have a 1994 Subaru Loyale. It has 42,000 miles  my Subaru  destroys
> starters.  I just had the seventh starter put on.   I got 8 starts  and
> then  the starter was destroyed.   What could be causing thr  car to keep
> killing starters.  Any one else have this problem ?  help !!!!!
Jim Stewart - 20 May 2005 17:26 GMT
> I have a 1994 Subaru Loyale. It has 42,000 miles  my Subaru  destroys
> starters.  I just had the seventh starter put on.   I got 8 starts  and
> then  the starter was destroyed.   What could be causing thr  car to keep
> killing starters.  Any one else have this problem ?  help !!!!!

Any mechanic that changes the starter
7 times without looking for the real
problem should not be touching a car.

As others have said, there's something
wrong with it engaging or disengaging.
Find a better mechanic.
RIVV1 - 20 May 2005 18:00 GMT
Hi what happens is when i turn the key the selinoid only clicks  and the
starter motor wont operate. The  starters were installed by our local
subaru dealer. They asked me not to bring the car back they threw in the
towel and said it was not worth trouble shooting.  Each starter that has
been put on will work  for mabe a few days.  One burnt up  just after it
was put on the car.  All of the voltages are correct and the wiring is
good.  everyone that sees the car is stumped. The starter will engage but
the motor just wont turn.  I dont know what else to do!  
Kurt C. Hack - 20 May 2005 18:48 GMT
Is it disengaging once the engine is started?  Also, I would make sure
you have a multi-meter hooked up to the starter leads the entire time
you are cranking, starting, once started, and shutting down.  If you are
burning up to motors, an electrical problem is the only cause, short of
it not disengaging.  Lastly, check your ground wiring to make sure its
intact and corrosion free.  In fact, I would take your multi-meter and
test the resistance of the ground wiring while your in there.  It
wouldn't be the first time I've heard of grounding issues causing odd
problems for people.

-Kurt

> Hi what happens is when i turn the key the selinoid only clicks  and the
> starter motor wont operate. The  starters were installed by our local
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> good.  everyone that sees the car is stumped. The starter will engage but
> the motor just wont turn.  I dont know what else to do!  
mulder@x.files - 21 May 2005 13:59 GMT
>Hi what happens is when i turn the key the selinoid only clicks  and the
>starter motor wont operate. The  starters were installed by our local
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>good.  everyone that sees the car is stumped. The starter will engage but
>the motor just wont turn.  I dont know what else to do!  

Have the starters been tested after being removed, to verify that they
actually failed?
Victor Roberts - 26 May 2005 16:45 GMT
>Hi what happens is when i turn the key the selinoid only clicks  and the
>starter motor wont operate. The  starters were installed by our local
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>good.  everyone that sees the car is stumped. The starter will engage but
>the motor just wont turn.  I dont know what else to do!  

Are you sure that when the solenoid clicks the starter drive gear is
NOT engaging the flywheel? If the drive gear does engage the flywheel
but cannot make it turn, perhaps due to misalignment or some similar
issue, then the motor WILL burn out due to the high current draw.
Motors draw much higher current when they are prevented from turning
then when they are turning - since that generates what is called "back
EMF."

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Vic Roberts
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ed - 26 May 2005 18:44 GMT
Is the starter engaging or it's only clicking? Try pulling the starter out
and testing it; connect a set of booster cables (red to the + and black
anywhere on the starter where you can put the clamp), then use a jumper wire
(a piece of regular automotive wire, 14 gauge, and 2 aligator clips works
well) from the + side and touch the connector on the solenoid where the
thinner wire is normally connected, and the starter should run (put your
foot on it or have a helper hold it down, they tend to jump a little when
they spin).
If it only clicks, the solenoid is usually the problem, the clicking is the
piston inside moving, but may not be making contact, or the starter itself
is faulty. To test further, put a test light on the wire going from the
solenoid to the starter, when the solenoid clicks, it should light, meaning
power is going to the starter, if it doesn't light, no power is going to the
starter. Light on, starter is the problem, light not on, solenoid is the
problem.
If it does engage but doesn't turn over, check the wires to the starter for
bad connections (had one where the wire was corroded inside the housing, but
looked ok from the outside). To check, connect booster cables from the
battery to the + side of the starter, and ground to the starter body, if it
now turns over, one of the wires from the battery is bad, check one at a
time to find which.
Ed B

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> >Hi what happens is when i turn the key the selinoid only clicks  and the
> >starter motor wont operate. The  starters were installed by our local
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> Vic Roberts
> Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address.
 
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