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Gumby - 22 Aug 2005 00:03 GMT
Just curious what everyone else is getting.

Me:
2005 Outback Sport 5 speed with 8400 miles.  Almost all city driving,
southern US, air conditioner used most of the time.

25.5 miles to the gallon.  I have seen 27 once and as low as 23.  But it is
almost always around 25.

Cheers
John
Bonehenge - 22 Aug 2005 00:48 GMT
>Just curious what everyone else is getting.

My '01 OBW 5 speed manual never saw more than 24, but it had a four
bike Yakima rack on top in 40,000 miles.  I'm sure the rack cost a
mile per gallon, or so.

If I hammered it, it got 22, if I babied it on highway rides, 24.
Rarely did it ever have more than 2 people on board.  Most driving was
just me, 70% suburban, 30% open highway.  Typical tanks got 23-23.5
MPG, on Connecticut's freaky gas blends.

I used Mobil 1 5w-30 changed every 5k, replaced air filters every 10k,
and replaced the plugs @ 25k.

FWIW, I've now got a 2005, 6 speed manual, 4 liter V6, 4x4 Toyota
Tacoma (all 4500 pounds of it!) with about 100 more horsies than the
Subie, and it averages 19-20, with the same driver, on the same roads,
in the same situations.  At 3900 miles, the Toyota hasn't even seen
synthetic lubes yet.
Edward Hayes - 22 Aug 2005 01:35 GMT
2000 Forester AT. Local Urban = 21mpg with air on 100% and 24mpg air
off 100%. Expressways nets 28 at 70 mph on cruise.

>>Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> in the same situations.  At 3900 miles, the Toyota hasn't even seen
> synthetic lubes yet.
H - 22 Aug 2005 17:14 GMT
I log all fuel ups and mileage, my 04 Forester XS, 5spd gets,
9.14litres/100kms (30.75mpg)
on average since January 2005.

My best tank got 7.7litres/100kms (36.74mpg).

The average number includes 15,000km of combined driving including trips to
Mount Washington (Vancouver Island) in the snow and some limited trailer
towing.

I'd love to get 45mpg + but for an AWD vehicle with the Foresters
practicality, not bad.

BTW, Our 90 Legacy, 5spd gets about 27mpg combined, although that car gets
more city miles than the forester.

H

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> 2000 Forester AT. Local Urban = 21mpg with air on 100% and 24mpg air off
> 100%. Expressways nets 28 at 70 mph on cruise.
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>> in the same situations.  At 3900 miles, the Toyota hasn't even seen
>> synthetic lubes yet.
Dominic Richens - 23 Aug 2005 22:04 GMT
> I log all fuel ups and mileage, my 04 Forester XS, 5spd gets,
> 9.14litres/100kms (30.75mpg)
> on average since January 2005.
>
> My best tank got 7.7litres/100kms (36.74mpg).

Note that H is talking imperial gallons.  In US gal he means 26.5 and 31.5
mpg respectively

> BTW, Our 90 Legacy, 5spd gets about 27mpg combined, although that car
> gets more city miles than the forester.

My 95 Legacy, 5MT, 2.2 4cyl engine gets 7.5l/100kms (32 mpUSg) in commuting
(95% Hwy).  It's too bad that Subaru don't make a smaller engined car
anymore.  My next commuter will likely be a Corolla - I'll just suffer on
snow days like (almost) everyone else.

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Don - 25 Aug 2005 23:17 GMT
>> I log all fuel ups and mileage, my 04 Forester XS, 5spd gets,
>> 9.14litres/100kms (30.75mpg)
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> anymore.  My next commuter will likely be a Corolla - I'll just suffer on
> snow days like (almost) everyone else.

I just traded in my 02 Legacy Outback.  When I bought it, I averaged 20.5
MPG, combined city and highway - mainly city.  After about three years, the
mileage slowly creeped up to 22.93 (total miles 32,000).  I kept track of
every tank and calculated MPG per tank, total MPG and several other things.
The best tank I got was 27.24 - all highway and driving relatively slow
(60-65 MPH).

Don D
John Rethorst - 22 Aug 2005 01:52 GMT
> Just curious what everyone else is getting.

01 OBW (4 cylinder) automatic. 25 city, 29 hiway (60-65 mph).

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JohnO - 22 Aug 2005 12:59 GMT
> 01 OBW (4 cylinder) automatic. 25 city, 29 hiway (60-65 mph).

My '99 is the same. I got 425 miles on one tank of gas this weekend.

-John O
lewben11@yahoo.com - 22 Aug 2005 02:19 GMT
Just got rid of a Jeep Wrangler which I put slightly bigger tires on
it.  It looked cool but I was getting 14.7 mpg and before was getting
19. I'm glad I sold it.
Lewis
John Rethorst - 22 Aug 2005 02:37 GMT
> Just got rid of a Jeep Wrangler which I put slightly bigger tires on
> it.  It looked cool but I was getting 14.7 mpg and before was getting
> 19. I'm glad I sold it.

The change in tire size would have made your odometer, thus your mileage
calculations, inaccurate, unless you adjusted for it.

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mark jb - 22 Aug 2005 04:49 GMT
> The change in tire size would have made your odometer, thus your mileage
> calculations, inaccurate, unless you adjusted for it.

"Anyone else notice that the shops moved two miles closer to home since I
put them big tyres on? They must move more ground at the same speed!"

-mark
Jeff - 22 Aug 2005 13:15 GMT
04 H-6 OBW w/Auto

Urban approximately 18-19
Highway approximately 25

> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> Cheers
> John
Steve Bukosky - 22 Aug 2005 16:09 GMT
>Just curious what everyone else is getting.

2002 Forester.  Best just under 28mpg.  Worst was 19 something.
Average I can plan on is around 23 to 25.  I have 50K+ on the car.

I notice some pinging or detonation rather frequently and wonder if
going up a fuel grade might improve mileage.  I normally burn Mobil or
Speedway 87 octane.
Ron Joiner - 22 Aug 2005 16:28 GMT
>>Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> going up a fuel grade might improve mileage.  I normally burn Mobil or
> Speedway 87 octane.
Best tank for me so far was 7.4litres/100

Ron
Ron Joiner - 22 Aug 2005 16:31 GMT
>>> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>>
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>
> Ron
Best tank for distance was 743.6 kilometres (or 462 miles)

Ron
Ron Joiner - 22 Aug 2005 16:31 GMT
>>> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>>
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>
> Ron
Sorry, 05 OBW 2.5l, auto
Dominic Richens - 23 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT
>> 2002 Forester.  Best just under 28mpg.  Worst was 19 something.
>> Average I can plan on is around 23 to 25.  I have 50K+ on the car.

> Best tank for me so far was 7.4litres/100

95 Legacy 2.2L 5MT - best tank ever was 6.7l/100km (36 mpUSg): I drove
1000km on the TransCanada at the speed limit (90kph), cool sunny day, strong
tail wind, and I drafted a semi for about 200km of it.

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Danny Russell - 22 Aug 2005 18:25 GMT
'00 OBS - 2.2  24/29mpg
'02 OBS - 2.5  23/27mpg

-Danny
philjackson - 22 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT
last week i got 29.2 mpg in my 2004 OBS. Mixed driving some AC
> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> Cheers
> John
flyfisher7@verizon.net - 23 Aug 2005 03:05 GMT
> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> Cheers
> John

1998 Forester L Automatic. Just turned 227,000 miles this week.

23 city  26 highway with Thule 1600 cargo box on. About 1 mpg better on
highway with it off. Oil changed regularly at 3000/4000 miles. Burns
less than 1/2 qt between changes.....the same as when it was new.
SuperPoo - 23 Aug 2005 10:22 GMT
2002 Impreza WRX

Best tank-- 21mpg

Worst tank-- 13.4mpg (on the highway- I95 heading to Florida witth bikes on
the roof 95mph)

Average is about 18

> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> Cheers
> John
chris.collins@loukymetro.org - 24 Aug 2005 14:59 GMT
> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> Cheers
> John

Wow, my problems are worse than once thought.  I've had my '00 Outback
Wagon for about 3 months, and am consitently getting less than 15 miles
per gallon.  Any ideas and/or suggestions?
Bruce Hoult - 25 Aug 2005 11:40 GMT
> > Just curious what everyone else is getting.
> >
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> Wagon for about 3 months, and am consitently getting less than 15 miles
> per gallon.  Any ideas and/or suggestions?

Hmm.

Yesterday I did the 650 km trip from Auckland to Wellington in my 1995
Legacy Wagon (2.5l with 4EAT, 195,000 km on the clock) and I used 15.4
l/100 km (14.7 miles per USgal) instead of my normal 9 l/100km (25 miles
per USgal).

As my figures are normally very similar to Gumby, but this time were
very similar to yours, perhaps we both have similar problems.

Here is a photo of my car just after refilling at the halfway point:

 http://www.hoult.org/bruce/Subaru_with_TA.jpg

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cobs - 25 Aug 2005 12:40 GMT
> Yesterday I did the 650 km trip from Auckland to Wellington in my 1995
> Legacy Wagon (2.5l with 4EAT, 195,000 km on the clock) and I used 15.4
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>
>   http://www.hoult.org/bruce/Subaru_with_TA.jpg

How heavy is the trailer / glider combo?

Some sort of spoiler on the trailer ala truck cab could help - or you
could try mounting the wings on the Legacy ;)

(Mental note, just took a b4 around the South Island before the
beginning of the last set of petrol rises, must tally the mileage)
Bruce Hoult - 25 Aug 2005 13:43 GMT
> > Yesterday I did the 650 km trip from Auckland to Wellington in my 1995
> > Legacy Wagon (2.5l with 4EAT, 195,000 km on the clock) and I used 15.4
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>
> How heavy is the trailer / glider combo?

I'm not sure.  The glider was a fiberglass two seater weighing
(manufacturer's specification) 400 kg.  The trailer is not lightweight.

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chipsoars - 26 Aug 2005 02:17 GMT
I've towed my glider & trailer-27B/cobra fibreglass & averaged 21 mpg
running about 70mph with an '05 OBW LLBean 3.0L.  Hardly knew the
trailer was there except when crossing a bridge with a very stiff
X-wind coming through a mountain gap.  That was kind of interesting.

Chip F
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Bruce Hoult - 26 Aug 2005 05:44 GMT
> I've towed my glider & trailer-27B/cobra fibreglass & averaged 21 mpg
> running about 70mph with an '05 OBW LLBean 3.0L.  Hardly knew the
> trailer was there except when crossing a bridge with a very stiff
> X-wind coming through a mountain gap.  That was kind of interesting.

I've towed a PW5 behind mine quite a lot, and it hardly notices it.  But
this Grob Twin in a heavy boxy trailer was a different matter entirely.  
The Twin Astir is 2.5 times the weight of a PW5 and the trailer is
probably 3 or 4 times the weight of the PW-5 trailer.  Your ASW27 is
only slightly heavier than a PW5 and the Cobra is a good trailer.

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cobs - 27 Aug 2005 03:25 GMT
> (Mental note, just took a b4 around the South Island before the
> beginning of the last set of petrol rises, must tally the mileage)

Follow-up:
2000 rsk b4, 88k on the clock at the start, road trip around a good part
of the South Island NZ.
Mix of open road, urban, and some slow crawling over unsealed roads of
various condition (Forrester / Outback clearance would have been nice in
places).

Total km = 2653, fuel 344.29ltr (mix 96 & 98). 12.9Ltr/100km or 21.7mpg.

Lovely trip - wasn't driving with an eye on the fuel economy - the roads
are pretty good, and mostly empty. Need to do it again and cover the far
south (this time crossed over through the Haast pass to Wanaka /
Queenstown, then via Laurence to Dunedin before heading north up the
east coast.)

Still, Warbirds over Wanaka next year - that's a great excuse.
Bugalugs - 26 Aug 2005 06:48 GMT
>>>Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>>>
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>   http://www.hoult.org/bruce/Subaru_with_TA.jpg

Shell...Turangi
Bruce Hoult - 26 Aug 2005 13:48 GMT
> > Here is a photo of my car just after refilling at the halfway point:
> >
> >   http://www.hoult.org/bruce/Subaru_with_TA.jpg
>
> Shell...Turangi

Indeed you are correct that Turangi is at the halfway point between
Auckland and Wellington ;-)

But how'd you pick it was Shell?

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Bugalugs - 27 Aug 2005 09:08 GMT
>>>Here is a photo of my car just after refilling at the halfway point:
>>>
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>
> But how'd you pick it was Shell?

1. Must be Turangi.
   Taupo , not far enough and none with enough room with that size trailer
   Waiouru, first on left is BP (Ak to Wn you'd stop on the left)
   Taihape, only BP

2. Yellow & red in signage.

3. Done that trip hundreds of times but I usually go round the back of
the lake. (no cops)
Steve Bukosky - 27 Aug 2005 17:24 GMT
>Here is a photo of my car just after refilling at the halfway point:
>
>  http://www.hoult.org/bruce/Subaru_with_TA.jpg

Instantly recognized the trailer as I used to be active in a sailplane
club.  I soloed when I was 15 years old in a Schweizer TG-2 .  Nice to
see some fellow silent wings on the site!
Bruce Hoult - 29 Aug 2005 02:26 GMT
> >Here is a photo of my car just after refilling at the halfway point:
> >
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> club.  I soloed when I was 15 years old in a Schweizer TG-2 .  Nice to
> see some fellow silent wings on the site!

There seem to be quite a few more than I would have expected, actually!

For those who don't know what is in that trailer it is a Grob "Twin
Astir" two seat high peformance (ok, 38:1 glide angle is only medium
these days) fiberglass sailplane.  Our club has two of this model that
we use for everything from teaching raw beginners to fly, to flying
cross-country and taking part in competitions.

  http://www.soar.co.nz/Gallery/Launching.JPG
Tom  Kelly - 26 Aug 2005 16:52 GMT
>> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>>
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> Wagon for about 3 months, and am consitently getting less than 15 miles
> per gallon.  Any ideas and/or suggestions?

My '05 Outback with auto trans is consistently getting 18 in town, 21
highway. Not good, but my dealer said it was typical. Is it?  (The odo says
7300 miles.)  Can the onboard mileage calibration thing be wrong? I haven't
checked the gas mileage the old-fashioned way.

They also said that there was no brake noise at full steering lock. That has
gotten better, but the car still hesitates when the throttle is floored from
a stop. The dealer says they all do that. Do they?

My next nearest dealer is a lot farther away, but the trip might be worth
it. Arrrrgh.

Tom
JDC - 27 Aug 2005 02:27 GMT
2004 3.0 Outback Wagon, average 24-25 mpg consistently.

> Just curious what everyone else is getting.
>
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> Cheers
> John
 
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