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Car Forum / Subaru Cars / May 2006

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Re: Synthetic Oil < From a Manufacturer's Factory Tech Rep < Answers ready this weekend

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RedCrow@somewhere.invalid - 13 May 2006 09:41 GMT
I will have a more complete set of answers for you later this weekend

RedCrow
Rick Courtright - 13 May 2006 19:00 GMT
> I will have a more complete set of answers for you later this weekend

Hi,

It would be especially helpful to see some real data from the test
bench, track and actual on road driving, something like:

"Dino oil A, changed at 3000 miles, 100 engines reached wear limits at
avg 125000 miles

Dino oil A, changed at 5000 miles, 100 engines reached wear limits at
avg 112500 miles

Dino oil B...

Synthetic oil A..."

You get the picture. There's no end of "opinion" on this subject, but a
definite dearth of valid "numbers" to back up the opinions. Too much of
what we read is anecdotal. Including MY OWN personal experiences and the
numbers I've recorded for myself.

Rick
nhopper - 16 May 2006 20:09 GMT
>From about 10-15 years ago, Consumer Reports did an analysis very
similar to this using New York City Yellow cabs. Engines were new upon
start, then taken apart and analyized. Problem was that they did not
apply the same standard to all engines. I think that Mobile 1 engines
got a 25,000 mile oil change, so it's hard to compare if the engine
actually lasted longer.

I don't have a citation for you unfortunately.

What you described is exactly how this needs to be conducted. None of
this In My Experience stuff. That's how research works. Using high
mileage fleet vehicles is about the only way to really get a good
answer due to the time involved and the relatively small amount of
wear.

But I'd also be interested in seeing a cost/benefit analysis, too.
Synthetic costs a lot more than standard oil. If it costs 50% more, but
only provides 10% longer engine life, does it pay off? Even two of the
same cars and two of the same oils are likely to have dramatically
different engine lives. A significant sample is necessary, and that's
just not something I've ever found.
 
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