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Hesitation--a problem with ALL 6 cylinder engines?
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Bill Bradley - 23 Aug 2006 12:49 GMT I dropped off my 2006 Outback VDC 3.0, that's been experiencing severe hesitation problems when trying to accelerate, at the dealers, so that the Regional Rep can look at it. They are also going to get with the Subaru TAC (sp?) on the problem.
I'm talking about hesitation so severe that I've almost been rear-ended several times, as, when I pull out to pass someone, the car...just...sits...there, despite me flooring it, or trying anything else. Also does it very obviously when slowing down to turn a corner.
They gave me a 2006 Tribeca as a loaner, and, in driving it home, although it does seem somewhat under-powered, I noticed the same hesitation problem.
My wife had a 2001 Forester (regular 4), and just traded it in on a 2007 Forester XT Turbo, and, her cars have NEVER had the problem.
Do I need to dump the 6 cylinder? Is it a problem with all Subaru models that use that engine?
Thanks.
Clifford Heath - 23 Aug 2006 14:09 GMT > I'm talking about hesitation so severe that I've almost been rear-ended Could be fouled plugs, or even bad leads. I've had that behaviour from both causes, as well as low-octane fuel. But first, check that the leads (plug *and* coil leads) aren't burnt at the ends. A bit of corrosion can cause all kinds of unpredictable behaviour too, so check all the main electric circuits for anything that might indicate intermittents or high resistance.
If you have to replace leads, consider spending a few $ extra for Magnecore leads or similar inductive *wire* leads. You'll never ever have to replace your leads again (*), and will always have a better spark.
(*) I had a Magnecore lead fail after 8 years once, and took it back to the dealer. He looked at me shamefacedly as he instantly repaired it, apologising profusely that the end hadn't been fitted correctly from the outset and it should never have happened. I was super impressed, needless to say :-).
That said, there are *many* things that can cause your symptoms. Hope you find it.
Clifford Heath.
Dmitriy - 23 Aug 2006 22:16 GMT There are a bunch of things that can cause hesitation or sluggishness.
Just as another example to add to what Clifford said, a bad Knock sensor will cause your ECU to dial back on the timing causing some major sluggishness. I have this happening to my car now, and it almost feels like it goes slower the harder I press the pedal.
> I dropped off my 2006 Outback VDC 3.0, that's been experiencing severe > hesitation problems when trying to accelerate, at the dealers, so that the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thanks. Carl 1 Lucky Texan - 23 Aug 2006 22:22 GMT > I dropped off my 2006 Outback VDC 3.0, that's been experiencing severe > hesitation problems when trying to accelerate, at the dealers, so that the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thanks. My wifes '03 H6 OBW is glass smooth at all times and a pleasure to drive. heavier than my WRX for certain and a different type of drive - but no engine related issues - so far(no VDC). Did you get a CEL? Wonder what code it stored? When you floor it, did rpms go up but no movement? Maybe it's a transmission problem?
let us know what they find.
Carl
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Phil - 24 Aug 2006 11:43 GMT I've never experienced any hesitation in my 05 OBW with that engine.
>I dropped off my 2006 Outback VDC 3.0, that's been experiencing severe >hesitation problems when trying to accelerate, at the dealers, so that the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Thanks. Yousuf Khan - 25 Aug 2006 21:15 GMT > I dropped off my 2006 Outback VDC 3.0, that's been experiencing severe > hesitation problems when trying to accelerate, at the dealers, so that the > Regional Rep can look at it. They are also going to get with the Subaru TAC > (sp?) on the problem. I've had some hesitation problems on my 2000 OBW 2.5L H4. I've recently switched to higher octane gas, and it's smoothed out quite a bit. My hesitations normally occurred during stop-light starts from a standstill.
Yousuf Khan
Bill Bradley - 26 Aug 2006 17:02 GMT Well, I had the Service Manager and several Tech's drive my car, they all felt the hesitation, but, they all said it was "normal for this engine". There is a firmware upgrade from May that is supposed to fix this, and, that had been applied, but, obviously didn't fix it.
I have an appointment with the Regional Rep next Wed, so, we'll see what he says.
I can't believe that they can't fix this, and, in fact several of the Tech's told me that that's the reason they bought the 4-cylinder Turbo model, instead.
>I dropped off my 2006 Outback VDC 3.0, that's been experiencing severe >hesitation problems when trying to accelerate, at the dealers, so that the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Thanks. YKhan - 29 Aug 2006 13:07 GMT > Well, I had the Service Manager and several Tech's drive my car, they all > felt the hesitation, but, they all said it was "normal for this engine". > There is a firmware upgrade from May that is supposed to fix this, and, that > had been applied, but, obviously didn't fix it. I get the feeling that the AWD system probably puts an unusual amount of strain on these engines at certain RPMs, until they get to the meaty part of their torque curve. Subaru could really use a hybrid system, where a smooth electric motor does the initial motivation until the IC engine spools up.
Yousuf Khan
Bee - 31 Aug 2006 01:54 GMT I have this problem with my 1997 Legacy GTB 2.0l Turbo... will take it to Subaru soon and see what they say...
This is a 4 cylinder car...
> > Well, I had the Service Manager and several Tech's drive my car, they all > > felt the hesitation, but, they all said it was "normal for this engine". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yousuf Khan Bill Bradley - 31 Aug 2006 12:34 GMT The Regional Rep says that this is normal, too. I drove a few other 4 and 6 cylinder cars, both 2006 and 2007, and, they are all like this, although the 4 cylinder Outback, although under-powered, seemed "peppier".
I guess, if this is normal, then, I need to get another car, as, this is dangerous.
> Well, I had the Service Manager and several Tech's drive my car, they all > felt the hesitation, but, they all said it was "normal for this engine". [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Thanks. YKhan - 31 Aug 2006 18:27 GMT > The Regional Rep says that this is normal, too. I drove a few other 4 and 6 > cylinder cars, both 2006 and 2007, and, they are all like this, although the > 4 cylinder Outback, although under-powered, seemed "peppier". > > I guess, if this is normal, then, I need to get another car, as, this is > dangerous. Yeah, well, that's upto you. I know one thing that I did notice when I was first test driving Subarus back when I first bought this thing, that the automatic felt quite "washed out" compared to the manual. So I ended up with the manual transmission. With the manual, I have control over the RPMs to get going at. I only suffer the hesitation if I'm not paying attention and let the RPMs get too low during start-off. And I have no problems with acceleration while already moving. Perhaps Subaru needs to pick a higher RPM for the automatic to start going too?
Yousuf Khan
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