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Car Forum / Subaru Cars / October 2007

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Cost of brakes?

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number 9 - 18 Oct 2007 01:17 GMT
Hi!

I was wondering how much you guys
are paying for brake jobs... I think it
would be a good thing for us "newbees"
to know.

What think you ?
2 - 18 Oct 2007 02:04 GMT
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number 9 - 18 Oct 2007 18:06 GMT
Is that for parts only?  OEM ?

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David - 18 Oct 2007 13:38 GMT
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Other than for parts, I have never paid a dime for a brake job.
number 9 - 18 Oct 2007 18:08 GMT
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How much for parts?  OEM ?
David - 19 Oct 2007 13:25 GMT
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I haven't had to do pads on the Forester yet.  I usually get
somethinjg between $20 to $40 an axle for my Toyotas.  Not the
cheapest but not the gold plated either.  Other than the coolant
thing, I'm pretty sure Subarus can use the same kind of consumables as
normal cars.
number 9 - 19 Oct 2007 16:12 GMT
"Other than the coolant thing, " what are you talking about? I just
noticed that mine is geling(sp) in the overflow tank...

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Todd H. - 20 Oct 2007 05:25 GMT
> "Other than the coolant thing, " what are you talking about? I just
> noticed that mine is geling(sp) in the overflow tank...

If you're noticing weird stuff in your cooland overflow tank, I'm
willing to bet you have teh 4 cylinder, and are about to have a very
very sinking feeling when you learn that these have notorious head
gasket issues.  

http://scott.mcgerik.com/2004/02/18/subaru-outback-head-gasket-leak/

Get to a dealer and report the anomaly.  Hopefully you're under 100k
on the engine and your life will be relatively simple.

--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
Todd H. - 20 Oct 2007 05:23 GMT
> I haven't had to do pads on the Forester yet.  I usually get
> somethinjg between $20 to $40 an axle for my Toyotas.  Not the
> cheapest but not the gold plated either.  Other than the coolant
> thing, I'm pretty sure Subarus can use the same kind of consumables as
> normal cars.

My experience on my outback with pads in that price range is quite
negative.  

If you search the archives of this group on the subject of brakes,
many of us have come to the consensus that you won't be happy unless
you spend OEM Subaru money for brake parts.

Not sure what it is about these cars (perhaps the weight of em?) that
seems to leave cheap stuff in a world of hurt for braking.

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Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
David - 20 Oct 2007 14:43 GMT
>> I haven't had to do pads on the Forester yet.  I usually get
>> somethinjg between $20 to $40 an axle for my Toyotas.  Not the
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>Not sure what it is about these cars (perhaps the weight of em?) that
>seems to leave cheap stuff in a world of hurt for braking.

$10/pad is not cheap.
Todd H. - 20 Oct 2007 17:04 GMT
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That becomes a semantic debate.  

When you do get around to it, put $10 pads on your Forester, report
back.  I've posted in detail in another article how poorly a $25 set
worked out on my Outback when similar grade stuff on other vehicles
seemed to be reasonable.

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Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
David - 20 Oct 2007 19:28 GMT
>> >> I haven't had to do pads on the Forester yet.  I usually get
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>worked out on my Outback when similar grade stuff on other vehicles
>seemed to be reasonable.

For the "ceramic" that I'll use on the Forester vs. the '96 Tacoma,
double the price.   I still don't see where a Subaru branded pad is
superior.
Jim Stewart - 18 Oct 2007 18:22 GMT
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Me neither.  Never had to buy or reface rotors.

New front pads and a quart of fluid every 40k
New front and rear and a quart of fluid every 80k
TrailRun - 18 Oct 2007 22:14 GMT
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I just had tires put on my 03 legacy wagon and they did the old sell
job on the brakes, "you really need a brake job you know" and even
quoted it. About $720.00, wow!

I checked them and they are close but not critical. In doing some
pricing the OE parts come in at about $4+ and the after market (non
sub) stuff is all over the place. Can get away for about $2+ with the
real economy stuff and the sky's the limit on the custom stuff. I will
probably end up with OE rotors at about $260+ and am still deciding on
pads. probably another $125 +-. I prefer to do the work myself.
Tommo - 20 Oct 2007 03:32 GMT
I own a 2002 OBS and have put 107K on it and there is only 50% ware on front
and back pads.

I am very pleased.

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Todd H. - 20 Oct 2007 06:43 GMT
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Depends on whether you need fronts only, or both axels, whether your
rotors still have runout left on em, whether they need to machined,
whether if you machine them you'll be willing to see them invariably
warp, and maybe just beat them to the punch and do rotors at the same
time as pads.  Due for brake line bleeding?

I know a bit about this as I'm on my fourth set of front pads at 107k.
I submit this comedy of errors for educational value:

First, I'll say my local dealer's service menu here does brakes for
$175 an axel.  That I believe includes OEM pads; emergency brake
adjustment; resurface rotors; bleed and refill "as necessary".

Here's my saga though:

First set of fronts I replaced myself in mid-2004, 58k miles. I made
the FOOLISH mistake of getting pads at Auto Zone.  $29.28 for front
pads semi-metallic.  Never again.  Now, they cheerfully sold me
something that was supposedly "for" my car but suspiciously
inexpensive.  It was all they had in stock.  Put em on, they fit fine,
the car stopped, though not nearly as well as OEM.  The special bonus
on these: they shed brake dust EVERYWHERE.  My nice aluminum factory
Subie wheels never looked clean.  2 years later, these were shot. I
later learned that Subaru specs ceramics, and these most decidely were
not.  These craptacular AutoZone pads lasted only 30k miles.

So, second replacement time for the front pads was 88k miles in March
of 2006, I figure maybe I'm an idiot and have no business doing my own
brake jobs though I've done 3 other cars over the years (Mazda 626
twice, Saturn SL twice, and Volkwagen New Beetle) that never had
issues.  So, I went to a local shop.  They put something on
aftermarket on them that they charged me $65.87 for, machined the
rotors, total of $204.  And, sure as sh.t, within a few thousand miles
of that, I have friggin braking issues again.  Lousy braking feel, and
soon enough, pulsation of the warped rotor, and hanging on one pad
causing the car to pull.

So, at 102k miles in Jan 07, I meet my current mecahcnic who's an
indepedent certified master mechanic with his own shop and a one man
show.  He seems to know what the was doing.  He said the last folks
didn't clean up the caliper and guides at all and all the debris and
corrosion in the guides were causing the hang and a load of pad wear.
The good news: my faith in my own ability to replace brake pads was
restored.  So we do premium aftermarket ceramics and rotors that were
every bit as much as OEM parts after all was said and done. That job
cost 85+97+117+95=$394 worth of premium aftermarket parts (pads and
new rotors) plus $260 in labor to install them which makes for $654.
Add $80 because I also had him do a full brake line flush as it was
due.  And... get this... at 107k I'm noticing some goddamn pulsation.

The moral of this rant: I'll be visiting my local Subaru dealer for
the next brake job on this Outback and making it their problem.
They've got access to the OEM parts, and to use OEM parts elsewhere is
going to cost you, Joe Consumer, damn near $500 in parts alone for 4
pads and 4 rotors,  and I believe the quote I got from them for doing
4 new rotors and 4 new pads was just around $600.   For $100 they can
certainly have all teh fun of putting them on.

It's become apparent to me that the only pads that will last on this
car are original Subaru.   And no, I'm not an aggressive driver or
brake rider.  :-)  

Best Regards,
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Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
 
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