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Car Forum / Subaru Cars / December 2007Oil in spark plug sleeves
Hi! Today I had my 2002 Subaru Legacy Wagon (150,000km) into my local mechanic (dealership is too far away for anything but big stuff...) to replace a worn belt. It had been running rough at idle so I asked him to see if maybe I needed the spark plugs replaced or perhaps have a tune up. When he pulled the plugs all four spark plug sleeves were full of oil. The ignition wires were also oil soaked. About 25,000 km ago I had the head gaskets replaced at a dealership. My local guy suspects a gasket of some sort may have been put in wrong when head gaskets were done. I am totally non-mechanical. Any comments or suggestions before I talk to/take it back to the dealership? Thanks!  SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > needed the spark plugs replaced or perhaps have a tune up. When he pulled > the plugs all four spark plug sleeves were full of oil. Been there, seen that on my 01. *sigh* > The ignition wires were also oil soaked. About 25,000 km ago I had > the head gaskets replaced at a dealership. My local guy suspects a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I am totally non-mechanical. Any comments or suggestions before I talk > to/take it back to the dealership? My guy Dx'd the likely cause as valve cover seals when discovering oil on the plug boots. Of course we also discovered an internal head gasket breach at the same time, so the heads went to the machine shop and we had new gaskets a plenty. No problem after all that of course. Dont' let the local guy do anything more. It's now worth the drive to the dealership. Have them test your catalytic converter too. A theory I haven't been able to independently substantiate is that increase in back force from a failed cat can lead to valve cover gasket failure, which then gives you your oil on plug wires problem. Misfires (consistent with rough running at idle) can lead to raw fuel being thrown down the exhaust pipe which will apparently hasten a catalytic converter's demise, so it all seems plausible. Don't get stuck getting thigns done at an independent like I did... unless he's waist deep in your engine, get your car back and get it to a sbuaru dealer, and perhaps follow up with a call to the 800 number for sube customer service and let them know what's going on and that it's at one of their dealers to fix what appears to be a screw up on the part of one of their dealers, or collateral damage to a headgasket issue, or all the above. Best Regards, -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Thanks. Though most of that is Greek to me! ;) I will print it out and keep it handy. I have an appointment already at the dealership. Though tempted, I will spare you the litany of expensive problems I've had with my Subie over the last year or two. Suffice it to say that it has cost thousands of dollars, and many, many visits to mechanics and dealerships... SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> Hi! >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA > Thanks. Though most of that is Greek to me! ;) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thousands of dollars, and many, many visits to mechanics and > dealerships... No, please tell. It may lend insight into the present issue. As for de greekification, the valve cover is thing you can see on the outside of the engine. The spark plug boots go down into circular holes in teh valve cover. The valve cover gasket is an oval thingee than seals that valve cover to the head of the engine. It's called a valve cover because if you take it off, you'll see the valve train of the engine which controls the opening and closing of the exhaust and air intake valves on the cylinders. Catalytic converter is a bulge in your exhaust pipe that helps catalyze some chemical reactions that results in cleaner stuff coming out the tailpipe. It's an expensive thingee that doesn't like having raw gasoline thrown at it. If it plugs up and deteriorates inside, it creates more backpressure to the engine, so when the engine is pushing exhaust out, the cylinders have to push harder. This strains seals, and may lead them to fail and allow say, oil to squirt past em (if my mechanic's story is to be believed). Misfires are when the spark and fuel get together in teh cylinder, but for whatever reason, no explosion occurs. Spark plug doesn't fire, fuel injector clogged and there's no enough fuel, not enough air getting into the chamber, the whole fire needs fuel, air, and heat thing we learned in science class. When a misfires are occurring, the engine will stumble on acceleration, or feel rough at idles, etc. If there's a misfire due to a spark plug not firing, instead of the cylinder having a nice little explosion, you just have teh fuel injector spraying gas in there, and without and explosion that vaporized fuel just gets pushed out the exhaust valve into the exhaust pipe and on the way down to the catalytic converter...which doesn't like dealing with raw gasoline. Best Regards, -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Well, ok... But I am not sure if I can recall the whole list off the top of my head.. Well, biggest was head gaskets... Car was overheating. Tried new radiator cap, no, thermostat, no radiator flush, no. Then finally to dealership...confirmed head gaskets, both replaced. Still continued to have overheating problems. More visits. Finally, new radiator (my cost). There was also a CEL problem... This took maybe 10 visits in all, 2 or three to local guy - resetting cel, trying gas cap, etc. Then to dealership... resetting cel... then finally diagnosed corroded wiring harness somewhere around rear wheel well. Also, but probably unrelated.... Several visits over time about shuddering steering. Also, horrible whining sound when starting cold. Diagnosed as failed/failing power steering pump. Replaced. Still whines when cold. Disappears after a minute or so. I am living with this one... Some big expensive suspension thing.. Ball joint? Sorry I can't recall correctly. Oxygen sensor. Light burned out on dashboard.. living with that one... Also, currently the car creaks like an old rocking chair. Local guy has lubricated, but not fixed yet I think. Thanks for the deGeekification!! Fred > No, please tell. It may lend insight into the present issue. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA > Well, ok... But I am not sure if I can recall the whole list off the top of > my head.. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Still continued to have overheating problems. More visits. > Finally, new radiator (my cost). Bejesus. Wow. These cars are notiously difficult to "burp" to eliminate air in the cooling system. I wonder if an inexpeienced non subie guy did a coolant flush at some point before all that. But you'd think the dealer would have gotten it right when they did the head gaskets. Oy. What a mess. > There was also a CEL problem... > This took maybe 10 visits in all, 2 or three to local guy - resetting cel, > trying gas cap, etc. > Then to dealership... resetting cel... then finally diagnosed corroded > wiring harness somewhere around rear wheel well. Wiring to the evaporative pressure sensor in the gas tank presumably. yikes. First time I've heard of that failure mode too. > Also, but probably unrelated.... > > Several visits over time about shuddering steering. Also, horrible whining > sound when starting cold. Diagnosed as failed/failing power steering pump. > Replaced. Still whines when cold. Disappears after a minute or so. I am > living with this one... My word... > Some big expensive suspension thing.. Ball joint? Sorry I can't recall > correctly. CV joint perhaps. If the boots get torn, joint gets dirty and you start hearing bad noises when making sharp turns? That's a guess. Those suck too. > Oxygen sensor. Been there. > Light burned out on dashboard.. living with that one... > Also, currently the car creaks like an old rocking chair. Local guy has > lubricated, but not fixed yet I think. I have a rear strut too that sound like it needs replacement. How many miles you have on this pain in yer butt? Mine's at about 112k. -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Dear Todd: My car has 150,000 km. Everyone else I know talks about their Subarus having 200,000 or 275,000 or more kms and "never anything but oil changes and brakes"... Sigh. And this was going to be the "One Good Car" I was ever going to own. There is still so much I really, really like about this car - it's just the right size, it isn't a gas guzzler, the four wheel drive is great, the brakes are the best on any car I've ever owned. It had just the luxury features I wanted, but nothing to excess: remote door locks, ABS brakes, thermometer in the dash, electric mirrors... It rides nicely, handles well, the engine revs entertainingly, and it is comfortable and fun to drive. The stereo sounds fine. The interior is simple, and functional. I like the slightly quirky nature of the car. Heck, I even think it looks great! I like it more than the new Legacy I've driven, which seems cramped to me... But, but, but.... the reliability that everyone else seems to have is not there for me. I haven't, of course, mentioned routine costs in the last couple of years... 4 new tires, a cracked windshield, various little issues around brakes etc.. Much of these sorts of costs are to be expected, and can't be blamed on Subaru - but *man* they do add up.... The costs of my Subie far outstrip any other car I've owned. And it was my last shot... after this Subie, I was forced to buy the dreaded minivan. Yuck. It's a Sienna. It's a fine minivan. No complaints. Totally reliable so far. Great on those long vacation car trips with the wife and kids. But I really hate it. It seems as big as a bus and I can't feel the road. I'm always stretching my neck like a chicken trying to manouver it about. So what's your saga? SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> Well, ok... But I am not sure if I can recall the whole list off the top >> of [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA > Dear Todd: > > My car has 150,000 km. Everyone else I know talks about their Subarus having > 200,000 or 275,000 or more kms and "never anything but oil changes and > brakes"... Sigh. I have the subaru with the big solid black circle under "engine major" on it in the Consumer Reports Used Car guide. And sadly, so do you. :-) 2001 and 2002 were baaaad years. Lucky us huh? > But, but, but.... the reliability that everyone else seems to have is not > there for me. I haven't, of course, mentioned routine costs in the last > couple of years... 4 new tires, a cracked windshield, various little issues > around brakes etc.. Much of these sorts of costs are to be expected, and > can't be blamed on Subaru - but *man* they do add up.... The costs of my > Subie far outstrip any other car I've owned. Yup. They are expensive for routine maintenance. I learned this this year too. I had $2200 of preventive/scheduled/wear crap done and that was a few months BEFORE the head gasket was discovered. > And it was my last shot... after this Subie, I was forced to buy > the dreaded minivan. Yuck. It's a Sienna. It's a fine minivan. No [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So what's your saga? I love questions I can answer with a URL: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.subaru/browse_thread/thread/955c5da88a4 eb196/a58f4be2cb848151 There is no Subaru glow of reliability in my world. Best Regards, -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Oh MAN! What a story! I see my future with this issue flashing in front of my eyes. And it ain't a pretty sight!! Car goes in on Friday - I'll let you know how it goes! Fred > > Dear Todd: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA Hi Todd, et. al.: Well, it went into the dealership and I have the answers - lets go from worst to first... :( 1. Whining noise - they say a belt wasn't tight enough. I don't believe it but I can't be sure until I try it when it is below freezing and I start the cold engine. The jury is still out on this one... 2. Creaking noise - a suspension bushing. Bushing is $40.00 or so, plus 3 hours(!) of shop time to install it. $450.00 to stop the creaking noise. They say that it won't affect function of suspension, but would stop the noise. I am going to turn the radio up, drown out the creaking and live with it... :( 3. Oil in spark plug sleeves. Well, yes, that is happening due to failed seals. They *could* fix it to the tune of oh, $500.00 or so... BUT..... wait for it........................... there isn't much point............ since I need to replace.......................you guessed it.......... the head gaskets! AGAIN!! And the service manager SWEARS that THIS time the fix will be permanent.... In the grand scheme of life, of course, this is a small thing. But within the limits of that perspective, I am furious about this and, simultaneously, full of dispirited resignation. I just *knew* it was going to be yet another huge repair. SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> Dear Todd: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA > Hi Todd, et. al.: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but I can't be sure until I try it when it is below freezing and I start the > cold engine. The jury is still out on this one... Easyfix, loosen the alternator bolt, use a large screwdriver to lever out the alternator to put more tension on the belt, tighten bolt. 2-n-a-half minutes. > 2. Creaking noise - a suspension bushing. Bushing is $40.00 or so, plus 3 > hours(!) of shop time to install it. $450.00 to stop the creaking noise. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > gaskets! AGAIN!! And the service manager SWEARS that THIS time the fix will > be permanent.... As this is a "known" problem which they have "fixed" before can you get them to 'wear' the labour while you 'wear' the parts?? > In the grand scheme of life, of course, this is a small thing. But within > the limits of that perspective, I am furious about this and, simultaneously, > full of dispirited resignation. I just *knew* it was going to be yet another > huge repair. > As this is a "known" problem which they have "fixed" before can you get > them to 'wear' the labour while you 'wear' the parts?? At this point no - I have to go fight with Subaru. I forsee a painful, wearying exchange of calls, letters, emails... Likely with little to show for it... Cheers! SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ > >> In the grand scheme of life, of course, this is a small thing. But within >> the limits of that perspective, I am furious about this and, >> simultaneously, full of dispirited resignation. I just *knew* it was >> going to be yet another huge repair. > Hi Todd, et. al.: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but I can't be sure until I try it when it is below freezing and I start the > cold engine. The jury is still out on this one... Personally, I agree with em. The noise from belts is either the belt's glazed and worn out, or just not tight enough. > 2. Creaking noise - a suspension bushing. Bushing is $40.00 or so, plus 3 > hours(!) of shop time to install it. $450.00 to stop the creaking noise. > They say that it won't affect function of suspension, but would stop the > noise. I am going to turn the radio up, drown out the creaking and live with > it... :( Good plan. > 3. Oil in spark plug sleeves. Well, yes, that is happening due to failed > seals. They *could* fix it to the tune of oh, $500.00 or so... BUT..... wait > for it........................... there isn't much point............ since I > need to replace.......................you guessed it.......... the head > gaskets! AGAIN!! And the service manager SWEARS that THIS time the fix will > be permanent.... Woot. No charge to you though right? All and all, not a bad day at the dealership! Me, I put over $4k into my goddamn car this year. -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA > Woot. No charge to you though right? It is to laugh. No. My cost. Oh, I can try to make a fuss with Subaru (and I guess I will have to...), but no, it's all mine! SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ permanent.... > All and all, not a bad day at the dealership! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA > > Woot. No charge to you though right? > > It is to laugh. No. My cost. > > Oh, I can try to make a fuss with Subaru (and I guess I will have to...), > but no, it's all mine! 2nd head gasket job.... hell no. Call Customer/Dealer Services (800) SUBARU3 [(800) 782-2783] 8:30-7:00 EST M-Th 10:30-5:00 EST F Open a case. What you're dealing with is ridiculous. Best Regards, -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Thanks for the encouragement, Todd! I will, of course, be making a great big noisy fuss - but I had to give the go-ahead for the repairs as I can't really be without the car for the time it might take to take this fight to Subaru. The car will be ready for pickup on Monday evening. I begin work on putting my case together to approach Subaru starting tomorrow... Cheers! P.S. Thanks for the phone number - but I'm in Ontario, Canada, so I'll look up the Canadian equivalent. SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> > Woot. No charge to you though right? >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA Just the latest installment: Some paperwork has been gathered and sent to Subaru... Car was still running badly. Took it in today. After $2100 for 2nd head gaskets... today's exciting bill: $450 for ignition coil... Add to the list: Oxygen sensor Radiator Water Pump Tie Rod Power Steering Pump 2 Head Gasket Repairs Ignition Coil ... and more... (that's just what I can think off off the top of my head...) They can't stop smiling when they see me coming...Sigh.... Fred >Just the latest installment: Sorry, I missed the whole story. By chance, was your car ever in an accident? > >Just the latest installment: > > Sorry, I missed the whole story. > > By chance, was your car ever in an accident? Yes. One might argue it was in the accident of purchasing a 2001 or 2002 Outback with an H-4. I'm a victim of a similar accident, and it cost me $4k in maintenance in calendar 2007. -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA >> By chance, was your car ever in an accident? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I'm a victim of a similar accident, and it cost me $4k in maintenance >in calendar 2007. So, should I be glad I sold my H4 '01 OBW in 2005? I really liked the car (A LOT!) while I had it. I really needed another pickup. My plan was to dump the wife's Wrangler and keep the Subie. I couldn't pry her fingers off the Jeep. 8^) If it makes you feel any better, the only good thing about the Jeep is that I'm a mechanical guy. > >> By chance, was your car ever in an accident? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So, should I be glad I sold my H4 '01 OBW in 2005? Yeah. If you were headed to an experience like the 2 relayed in this thread. > I really liked the car (A LOT!) while I had it. Liked mine until this past January. > If it makes you feel any better, the only good thing about the Jeep is > that I'm a mechanical guy. Suddenly I find myself with a Jeep Liberty. The only thing I like about it is that my wife likes to drive it, so I can have my friggin Outback back! -- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Hi! Picked up the car this morning - drove it two blocks and it stalled, backfired, stumbled, and I did a U-turn back to the dealership. I asked the rather dubious service manager to just take it out. He confirmed the problem. One hour to drive there, 40 minutes to pay the bill, drive away, drive back, another hour to drive home. My morning wasted, and $450.00 spent - nothing has improved. $3,000.00 in 3 weeks and the car is undriveable. The saga continues... I think at this point, however, I might forgo the bulletins and let you know when the situation is finally resolved. SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> >> By chance, was your car ever in an accident? >> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA Jesus... What dealerSHIT is this? Don't they know how to test drive a car before returning it? > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > > Chicago, Illinois USA Signature-- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA Dear Todd: P.S. If I have time this weekend, I'll tally up my costs of the last year or so and we can see whose top dog! SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> Hi Todd, et. al.: >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 > Chicago, Illinois USA For those of you still interested... :) > 1. Whining noise - they say a belt wasn't tight enough. I don't believe it > but I can't be sure until I try it when it is below freezing and I start > the cold engine. The jury is still out on this one... As I suspected the belt tightening had no effect. Subaru dealership is pointing the finger at the aftermarket replacement power steering pump. The fact that the original Subaru pump made the same noise is irrelevant/discounted. So, no resolution here - back to my own mechanic to see what they can do. > 2. Creaking noise - a suspension bushing. Bushing is $40.00 or so, plus 3 > hours(!) of shop time to install it. $450.00 to stop the creaking noise. "Saturating" the bushing, no effect. Still creaks like crazy. Living with it. > 3. Oil in spark plug sleeves. Well, yes, that is happening due to failed > seals. They *could* fix it to the tune of oh, $500.00 or so... BUT..... > wait for it........................... there isn't much point............ > since I need to replace.......................you guessed it.......... the > head gaskets! AGAIN!! And the service manager SWEARS that THIS time the > fix will be permanent.... $2100.00 later... I am back on the road. Beginning the preparation for opening a case with Subaru. At 90,000 km I had the head gaskets done, the water pump replaced and the radiator replaced. Conditioner was *not* used by the dealership (their records), and I was *not* told to use conditioner. Wish me luck in my fight! Cheers! Fred > For those of you still interested... :) > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Wish me luck in my fight! Oooh. That conditioner bit may be just the piece of dealer screwup to help you win. Now that money's been paid and exchanged, I'm not sure what their remediation will be.... it'll be itneresting though. Keep us posted! Don't give up! Signature-- Todd H. 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4 Chicago, Illinois USA > Light burned out on dashboard.. living with that one... Yep. A couple of mine are burnt out. I forgot to take the dash apart last weekend when I had time. Maybe next weekend. > Also, currently the car creaks like an old rocking chair. Local guy has > lubricated, but not fixed yet I think. My bad creak went away when I got my rear struts replaced a week or so ago. I have a 2003 Outback Sport with 150,000 kms. Chicobiker How much did the struts cost? SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ >> Light burned out on dashboard.. living with that one... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Chicobiker > How much did the struts cost? Subaru OEM struts were something like $300 cdn each side. Got KYBs for about $180 each, and with labour & taxes it cost me $600. One day I put eight sacks of cement in my car and after, it squawked like mad in the back, every time the car moved a little. I squirted some thirty weight oil on the shock rods and all those bad noises went away. The rods where just dry. When I put all the weight in it, it brought the dry dirty shock rod down where it hadn't been in a long time and started all this. The rods are at the top, so any oil on them will run down to where they enter the shock. Cheap repair. SignatureBob Noble http://www.sonic.net/bnoble > How much did the struts cost? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Chicobiker Thanks for the tip! SignatureFred Boer - Amateur Access Enthusiast Interests: Library software / Z39.50 / Web Services Freeware Small Library Application available here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lornarourke/ > One day I put eight sacks of cement in my car and after, it squawked like > mad in the back, every time the car moved a little. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> >>> Chicobiker > Several visits over time about shuddering steering. Also, horrible whining > sound when starting cold. Diagnosed as failed/failing power steering pump. > Replaced. Still whines when cold. Disappears after a minute or so. I am > living with this one... That's a belt or the alternator going bad if it sounds like a large hydrolic pump working hard. (The only thing I know that sounds just like it is the point in the Terminator movie when armor-chasis get's crushed at the end of the movie.) Mine did that, and eventually the alternator failed completely. The whining is more like a dentist's drill, high pitched, shrill... I believe the new power steering pump (at over $500.00 to fix) has solved the shuddering. Just had the belts checked and replaced - actually that was what the car was in for... Thanks a lot! Fred > > Several visits over time about shuddering steering. Also, horrible whining > > sound when starting cold. Diagnosed as failed/failing power steering pump. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mine did that, and eventually the alternator failed completely. > The whining is more like a dentist's drill, high pitched, shrill... I > believe the new power steering pump (at over $500.00 to fix) has [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Mine did that, and eventually the alternator failed completely. When the car is cold and the belts are loose you'll get a high pitched whine/squeak on startup. Belt adjustment fixes it. Thanks! I will add it to the list for the dealership to try to resolve once and for all! Fred > fred.b...@gmail.com wrote: > > The whining is more like a dentist's drill, high pitched, shrill... I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
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