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Car Forum / Subaru Cars / November 2007Volvo AWD and Subaru AWD
Hello, Would someone be able to tell me the difference between Volvo AWD and Subaru AWD, and don't be afraid to dumb it down! I do mostly city driving, but on weekends head out to ski hills. In the summer - out into the mountains where the weather can change quickly. Volvo is much more expensive. Subaru says they have 'true' AWD. I checked Youtube and saw some comparison tests - seemed to setup in favour of one car or the other. Anyone have both cars and noticed the difference? Thanks for you comments! Tmuld. They say a picture is worth 1000 words... http://youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc I am aware the vehicles in the video wont be the latest incarnation of each company's awd system. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tmuld. >They say a picture is worth 1000 words... > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc > >I am aware the vehicles in the video wont be the latest incarnation of >each company's awd system. The Volvo in the video ist not awd, the rear wheels don´t move when he tries to free himself when stuck uphill. Cu Jan  Signaturewings and claws >> They say a picture is worth 1000 words... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cu > Jan Didn't you listen to what the presenter was saying? What - don't you speak Swedish? ;-) It was a Volvo XC70 - it is AWD (part time: normally it is 95% to front wheels and 5 to the back, but it "senses" when to change distribution, up to 50/50 I think). Obviously it doesn't do it very well, or at least *didn't* do it well. What I've heard is that originally the XC70 had Volvo's own center diff. In 2003 they dropped it and started using one from Haldex. So later models shouldn't exhibit this behaviour. The Volvo in the video is awd, but your statement just confirms that the volvol awd system for that car does not work as well as it should. >>They say a picture is worth 1000 words... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cu > Jan Volvo vehicles are slightly bigger. Subaru cheaper and more reliable > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tmuld. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tmuld. One is made by Volvo and the other is made by Subaru... Seriously, the Subaru has a locking centre diff. I don't believe the Volvo does > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tmuld. Hmmm, I live in Alberta in the Foothills(Calgary). Driving to mountains ski hills is usual week end activity. AWD, 4X4, whatever, without proper winter tires, you're doing a half job. Most ones in the ditch is Jeep with idiotic drivers who think 4X4 is invincible. AWD with all season tire is just as good as 2 wheel drive with GOOD winter tire. Me and wife do not switch tires but for my kids(daughter and son), they both drive Subaru and in winter they switch to Michelin X Ice. We buy tires at Costco. Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice with GOOD all seasons. > > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It seems to me that you gnerally have no idea wat you are talking about most of the time. An all-season tire loses traction at about -4C where a good snow tire is good at -25C. A good ice radial will give you grip on ice you can barely stand up on. An all-season is useless in more than 10cm of snow, below about -5C or on ice. Incidently, it is a pretty useless summer tire too. > Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice > with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - I guess it mostly depends on what you're up against in the winter. Me, Live on the coast (Vancouver Island), and while we get a dump or two of snow each winter the biggest driving challenge is the wet roads. The Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice tires I used to run are the worst rain tire I've ever had. While the Goodyear Triple Treads I run now are the best wet tire I've driven and perform very well in the snow, especially the wet slop we get out here. It's not a one size fits all scenario. Grolsch > It seems to me that you gnerally have no idea wat you are talking about > most of the time. An all-season tire loses traction at about -4C where a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>> >>> - Show quoted text - Shows you know nothing using meaningless metric statistics. In US driving from deserts to mountains I've found good all seasons to work on ice and snow just fine. The vehicle and driver are more crucial than the tire. So you can waste money if you want but I'm smart enough to see through the hype. You probably think DRL's are good too! > It seems to me that you gnerally have no idea wat you are talking about most > of the time. An all-season tire loses traction at about -4C where a good [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I do think DRLs are good. They make you visible and are proven to reduce accidents because of it. The driver is more crucial than the vehicle or the tire, but an all-season is a compromise. Would I bother with a winter tire somewhere where it never really gets that cold and snows a couple of times per year? No. But to state a winter tire is a waste of money is right up there with your statement that engine knocking is normal. > Shows you know nothing using meaningless metric statistics. In US > driving from deserts to mountains I've found good all seasons to work [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - Another one who wastes his money on hi test fuel because he thinks it will cause damage, who buys "winter" tires even though he may live in a moderate snow area and who likes replacing bulbs bacause DRL's are "safer". No one has ever been able to backup the claim that lower octane has caused damage that wasnt warranteed! > I do think DRLs are good. They make you visible and are proven to reduce > accidents because of it. [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > - Show quoted text - They don't need to back up the claim. If it reduces the life of the engine, it costs you money. If you get fuel consumption that is worse than on the recommended, then it costs money. I have never had to change a high-beam bulb on any car that I had DRLs on (and I generally keep them six to seven years). Its all false economy. The only thing that keeps any driver from disaster is good brakes and good tires. I prefer not to compromise on either. Its false economy; just like getting crappy gas mileage by using lower grade fuel. > Another one who wastes his money on hi test fuel because he thinks it > will cause damage, who buys "winter" tires even though he may live in [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - It DOESNT cause damage and the difference in economy will NEVER equal high priced gas. Subaru Outback uses low beams for DRL- I had to replace 3 in 4 years. I disabled DRLs and feel so much better. > They don't need to back up the claim. If it reduces the life of the engine, > it costs you money. If you get fuel consumption that is worse than on the [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Of course it does. If the engine is knocking, it is causing damage. And if the timing is retarded (which it will do when knocking) gas mileage is worse; if your mileage drops by 2MPG, its cheaper to use high test. > It DOESNT cause damage and the difference in economy will NEVER equal > high priced gas. Subaru Outback uses low beams for DRL- I had to [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > Shows you know nothing using meaningless metric statistics. In US > driving from deserts to mountains I've found good all seasons to work > on ice and snow just fine. The vehicle and driver are more crucial > than the tire. So you can waste money if you want but I'm smart > enough to see through the hype. You probably think DRL's are good > too! Here we go again What works for you in your neck of the woods may not work for the bloke down the road. Different vehicle, road surface, snow/ice thickness, temperature, length of time road is frozen, etc,etc,etc. You're never gunna win ! :>) > It seems to me that you gnerally have no idea wat you are talking about most > of the time. An all-season tire loses traction at about -4C where a good > snow tire is good at -25C. A good ice radial will give you grip on ice you > can barely stand up on. but looses the action on what? I went once to the north Michigan state. It was -6F (-21C), roads were black but covered with a slippery thin layer of a salt. To my surprise, I was able to carve quite aggressive corners at high speeds on all-season Continentals. and I am still look for raw data showing exact speeds/surface type (tarmac/deep snow/shallow snow/ice/slush)/tire combinations where the car is loosing control/traction for braking/acceleration/cornering. are such available? >> It seems to me that you gnerally have no idea wat you are talking about >> most of the time. An all-season tire loses traction at about -4C where a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > are such available? I imagine it is, but to be honest, I wouldn't know where to find it. Most of the stuff around has to do with side-by-side comparison on ice, snow-covered tarmac, and dry cold road. All-seasons don't fair well on any of those. > Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice > with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >>- Show quoted text - Hmmm, Pardon my language, that is pure BS! >> Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice >> with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Hmmm, > Pardon my language, that is pure BS! What's pure BS about that? >>>Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice >>>with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > What's pure BS about that? Yeah, your statement. Do you live in COLD SNOW country? I don't need to argue with you. You already showed your ignorance. >>>>Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice >>>>with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >Do you live in COLD SNOW country? >I don't need to argue with you. You already showed your ignorance. **Well, talking about ignorance, it was bigjim that said Winter tires are a waste of money, not JD. :) That said, the only car I've ever had winter tires on was a rear-wheel-drive '79 Malibu. All my other cars were either FWD or AWD and I've never had a problem driving either type on snow or ice with all seasons. As for snow country, I've spent all of my driving years in CT, then MI and then back to CT. I spent 11 years in the tropical state of southeastern Michigan (yearly snowfall avg. 41 inches) and have now returned back home to the Berkshire mountains of Connecticut with a yearly snowfall avg. of 75 inches. >>>>>Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice >>>>>with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > returned back home to the Berkshire mountains of Connecticut with a > yearly snowfall avg. of 75 inches. Hi, Typical winter temp. out here is -30F. Roads are usually black ice. Poorly charged battery has slush inside. That shows how cold it is. Further up North from here, they never shut of engine in winter time. >>>>Winter tires are a waste of money. I never had a problem in snow ice >>>>with GOOD all seasons. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Do you live in COLD SNOW country? > I don't need to argue with you. You already showed your ignorance. You're right. You don't. There is TONS of information around all-seasons and how poor a compromise they are in any weather; tons. If you think otherwise, you are the ignorant one. > You're right. You don't. There is TONS of information around all-seasons > and how poor a compromise they are in any weather; tons. If you think > otherwise, you are the ignorant one. I do not mean to troll, but just can you provide a couple sources with real scientific data. >> You're right. You don't. There is TONS of information around >> all-seasons and how poor a compromise they are in any weather; tons. If >> you think otherwise, you are the ignorant one. > > I do not mean to troll, but just can you provide a couple sources with > real scientific data. Its not trolling at all. Perfectly valid question. http://www.bchighway.com/myvehicle/allseasonsnowtires.html http://www.canadiandriver.com/winter/tires/at_011101.htm This one is from the Rubber Association who regulates tires in Canada. http://www.betiresmart.ca/pdf/2005_1204.pdf http://www.tirerack.com/winter/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=129 There are more if you would like them |
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