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FHI just won't give up producing one after another generation of STI that sucks: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6387 it's what makes a subaru a subaru On Feb 25, 7:51 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote: > FHI just won't give up producing one after another generation of STI > that sucks:http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6387 > > it's what makes a subaru a subaru Guess they are going after a different market now. Disappointing, as I thought the STi would be the more Evo-like of the WRX/STi pair. The Evo is certainly the better-looking of the pair, that's for sure! Dan D '99 Impreza 2.5 RS (son's) Central NJ USA I would think, being smaller and lighter (with a bigger block, no less), it would make some impressive numbers against the EVO. I think the computer is pretty cool, and the interior is a bit better, the EVO definitely made some serious strides this time. The EVO still looks like a galant, that's just me. I have an 06 STi, and I still say the only subies I ever found sexy were the first generations. -John > On Feb 25, 7:51 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote: >> FHI just won't give up producing one after another generation of STI [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > '99 Impreza 2.5 RS (son's) > Central NJ USA > I would think, being smaller and lighter (with a bigger block, no less), > it would make some impressive numbers against the EVO. I think the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have an 06 STi, and I still say the only subies I ever found sexy were > the first generations. And now, finally, there is a car for people who can't decide between an EVO and a BMW 328/335: they can have a car that combines the worst features of both: lacking the driving dynamics of evo and lacking the refinement of the bmw. A blunt tool with a refinement in between. I wonder how would the cheaper, castrated GSR (no yaw control) would compare to the newly castrated rex. >>I would think, being smaller and lighter (with a bigger block, no less), >>it would make some impressive numbers against the EVO. I think the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I wonder how would the cheaper, castrated GSR (no yaw control) > would compare to the newly castrated rex. Hmmm, Test drove Mazda Speed3? Or a magazine that wants more ad money from mitsu/chrysler/jeep et all On Feb 25, 7:51 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote: > FHI just won't give up producing one after another generation of STI > that sucks:http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6387 > > it's what makes a subaru a subaru On Feb 26, 5:41 pm, bigjimp...@gmail.com wrote: > Or a magazine that wants more ad money from mitsu/chrysler/jeep et all Rrrrright. The evil mitsu/chrysler paid big bucks to all publications to that they load bricks into the mitsubishi trunk for the ease of rotation. Which part of "understeer" you don't understand? You must be a lawyer or politician to think anything about the car dynamics is subjective. You can easily rotate mitsu and you can't do so in STI. Kapisch? Tony Hwang mused: > Hmmm, > Test drove Mazda Speed3? I'm not in a mood for another front wheel driver no matter how frisky, but I'd imagine that car is gobs of fun. Still, you got rex over mazdaspeed3 for your son, didn't you? That won't have anything to do with the winter traction where you live, would it? > On Feb 26, 5:41 pm, bigjimp...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > live, > would it? Hi, Two reasons I had to stay with Subie. AWD and seating. Seating for driver is really uncomfie on Speed3. Copared to old Impreza we had this WRX handles much better. As an after thought, I think we souped up suspension on that old car way too much. Learning process I guess. > On Feb 26, 5:41 pm, bigjimp...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > live, > would it? They should probably have tested with the same tires. Plus, the STI was faster 0-80. They also said it was a better daily driver. To me, the bigger issue was the price difference! massive! What ever happened to 'Subaru - Inexpensive And Built To Stay That Way' ? Carl  Signatureto reply, change ( .not) to ( .net) > isq...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Feb 26, 5:41 pm, bigjimp...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > They should probably have tested with the same tires. Plus, the STI was Oh? Last time I started RE070 thread people on this ng were screaming at the top of their lungs it's the best summer tire ever. > faster 0-80. They also said it was a better daily driver. I don't see how vague steering would make it so. .5 extra liter = better low end? that part makes it a better driver? > To me, the bigger issue was the price difference! massive! Evo MR is also $36k and GSR at 33k is not much cheaper. Are you referring to the IX RS that you could've had for about $27k? I don't think that trim is offered any longer. > What ever happened to 'Subaru - Inexpensive And Built To Stay That Way' ? What do you mean? I'd expect STI to stay together better than EVO. I there something I'm missing? > Two reasons I had to stay with Subie. AWD and seating. Seating for > driver is really uncomfie on Speed3. Can you spin the wheels on Speed3 from the dead stop? What was specifically the problem with the seats? >>isq...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > What do you mean? I'd expect STI to stay together better than EVO. > I there something I'm missing? Um, did you read the article? Look at the charts? price as tested - STI was nearly $6K more!!! Yokohama vs Dunlop tires. STI; better mileage, longer range, better braking, more headroom, more legroom, almost 3 TIMES cargo capacity. Not 'junk' - just a little lower performance in 2-3 specific areas.(and overpriced) Carl Signatureto reply, change ( .not) to ( .net) > osamahornifu...@gmail.com wrote: > > What do you mean? I'd expect STI to stay together better than EVO. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > price as tested - STI was nearly $6K more!!! I don't think the price comparison of a bloated STI to bare bones EVO was valid. But, then could you put a price tag on a dual clutch tranny of Mr? > Yokohama vs Dunlop tires. advans D007 vs RE070? they should be comparable. If you trust the RE070 reviewers. The grip is not as much of an issue as the car behavior in a skid and per review the evo is joy to skid due to yaw control. And in sti the reviewers could not get the a.s to rotate period. > STI; better mileage, longer range, better braking, more headroom, more > legroom, almost 3 TIMES cargo capacity. > > Not 'junk' - just a little lower performance in 2-3 specific areas.(and > overpriced) I would not call inability to rotate the car "a little lower performance". Apparently FHI realizes that and not being able (or willing) to compete in the driving dynamics area it just wants to carve a different niche altogether and sell sti as- is. It's apples to oranges now: dual clutch and yaw control vs gps and creature comforts. I think I already had plenty of boring pieces of sh.t (TM) and don't want another one. YMMV. On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:51:14 -0800, isquat wrote: > FHI just won't give up producing one after another generation of STI that > sucks: > http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6387 > > it's what makes a subaru a subaru I thought you were a Honda hater. I see now you're just basically a troll. What the hell *DO* you like? Sand pounded where the sun don't shine? > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:51:14 -0800, isquat wrote: > > FHI just won't give up producing one after another generation of STI that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I see now you're just basically a troll. > What the hell *DO* you like? Sand pounded where the sun don't shine? Within Subaru line now that 08 wrx is out I have developed an irrational liking of 02-07 wrxes. |
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