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1995 Subaru Legacy starting problems

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errksnerk - 21 Apr 2008 23:22 GMT
My legacy is having issues!  It often will not start.  It turns over
but  there is no clicking noise.  I also sometimes smell gas and
getting poor gas mileage as well.   If it will not start i let it sit
and after 30 minutes or so it will start again.  If the motor is cold
it usually starts.  Also, when i come to a stop sign it idles way down
( 200-300) RPM’s. I have to give it gas when stopped to keep it from
stalling, and if it dies at this point it is difficult to get it to
start again.  I am a college student with a limited income please
help!  Advise i have gotten so far is: Crankshaft (crank angle)
position sensor, leaky injector, and bad ground.  I don’t know where
to start, please help.

starving college student

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan - 22 Apr 2008 01:58 GMT
> My legacy is having issues!  It often will not start.  It turns over
> but  there is no clicking noise.  I also sometimes smell gas and
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> starving college student

I would add a bad MAF, bad oxygen sensor and possibly bad engine temp
sensor (keeping the ECU in a 'rich' mode) to the list.

Is the check engine light on? Can you get the codes read?

Also, post your city/area as someone here may know of a reputavble
mechanic/dealership located nearby.

Carl

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errksnerk - 26 Apr 2008 17:22 GMT
I live in Reno Nevada.  The check engine light is on. Should i go to a
dealership or will any mechanic do

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan - 26 Apr 2008 20:10 GMT
> I live in Reno Nevada.  The check engine light is on. Should i go to a
> dealership or will any mechanic do?
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Someone here may be familiar with your area. I am not.
But, if you have an Autozone or perhaps other parts dealer - they will
sometimes read and/or clear codes(they expect you will buy a part from
them). Or, pay a friendly mechanic $10-%15 to do it for you.
Best procedure - if possible, get the codes read, WRITE THEM DOWN
ACCURATELY and post them here. try to get them to clear the codes.
Likely, the light will come back on. THEN get them read again, and post.
It is not uncommon to have an older car or a 'bad gas experience' set an
occasional misfire code. We will be looking for a more specific code -
hopefully pointing to a cheap sensor that would be inexpensive to replace.

Please note, Walmart, pepBoys ,A'zone  and even harbor Freight and Ebay
sell OBDII readers. I THINK your car is OBDII. ANYONE???

If it isn't, there's another way to get the codes. check
www.troublecodes.net

Carl

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Robert - 28 Apr 2008 17:54 GMT
> > I live in Reno Nevada.  The check engine light is on. Should i go to a
> > dealership or will any mechanic do?
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I have a 1995 Legacy and it is OBDII
errksnerk - 01 May 2008 22:22 GMT
Hey thanks for the reply!  I got the codes read but the check engine
light has not came back on yet.  I don’t know which part of the code
is useful so I’ll post everything that the machine said:  J1850   Iso
9141  Keyword 2000.   Once the light comes back on i will get it
checked and post again.  Thank you for help

Eri

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Robert - 02 May 2008 06:48 GMT
> Hey thanks for the reply!  I got the codes read but the check engine
> light has not came back on yet.  I don’t know which part of the code
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I don't see where those numbers mean anything according to Wikipedia.
See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II#OBD-II
Carl 1 Lucky Texan - 03 May 2008 06:01 GMT
> Hey thanks for the reply!  I got the codes read but the check engine
> light has not came back on yet.  I don’t know which part of the code
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The numbers you posted do not seem to be thr right format/range. Take a
look at the OBDII section (bottom set) here;
http://www.troublecodes.net/Subaru/

for an idea of what we're looking for.

Does the car still have the problems you mentioned or is it running
better? Sometimes clearing the code will reset to the factory map and a
car might run better for a while.

Carl

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AS - 23 Apr 2008 06:26 GMT
Provide me with an email address and I will send you the diagnostic
tables from the subaru service manual.  l e x m i a @ juno.com without
the spaces.  Reference SUBARU in the subject line or I may consider your
message as spam

> My legacy is having issues!  It often will not start.  It turns over
> but  there is no clicking noise.  I also sometimes smell gas and
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> starving college student
Fuzzy - 03 May 2008 18:22 GMT
www.troublecodes.net indicates that code "J1850" is a communication
error.  This could mean anything from the code reader used has a
malfunction, there’s a bad connection to the code reader, your battery
voltage is too low, there’s a bad connection out of your Subaru’s ECM
(Engine Control Module), or maybe even internal issues with the ECM.
You should try a different code reader, though, and then clean the
connectors with electronic cleaner before trying another ECM (it’s
important to follow the directions on the cleaner).  Good luck

> My legacy is having issues!  It often will not start.  It
> turns over but  there is no clicking noise.  I also sometimes
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errksnerk - 06 May 2008 01:22 GMT
OK I got it read again.  Two items: P0340, Cam sensor and P0115, ECT.
Where should I start?  Auto zone said that the Camshaft Position
Sensor is around $40 should i buy this and replace mine?  Or should I
look into the ECT first?  Are either hard to replace? Any and all help
would be appreciated.  Thanks

Eri

> www.troublecodes.net indicates that code "J1850" is a
> communication error.  This could mean anything from the code
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> important to follow the directions on the cleaner).  Good
> luck!
Carl 1 Lucky Texan - 06 May 2008 04:31 GMT
> OK I got it read again.  Two items: P0340, Cam sensor and P0115, ECT.
> Where should I start?  Auto zone said that the Camshaft Position
> Sensor is around $40 should i buy this and replace mine?  Or should I
> look into the ECT first?  Are either hard to replace? Any and all help
> would be appreciated.  Thanks

I'm not Fuzzy but will jump in with a comment.The ECT is 'probably' the
problem. It is keeping the fuel system in 'choke' mode which explains
the poor running and gas/fuel smell.

While you should also investigate the cam angle sensor, it is a 'backup'
check for the crank angle sensor in case of timing belt slippage(IIRC).
Probably should be repaired but 'probably' is not causing the poor
running conditions. I suppose they could BOTH be masking part of each
others problem.
If I were you, I'd try to just get both done. If it is IMPERATIVE to
'try' to save every penny, I'd do the temp sensor first. (pretty sure
this is NOT the gauge sensor, it is the Engine Temp sensor).

Hope someone else can offer more definite advice.
Good job getting the codes read and posted for us!

Carl

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