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Tire pressures
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houndman@phonom.net - 26 Jun 2008 06:32 GMT With the price of gas so high, I decided to up the pressures from the lower than factory ones I was running in my 2.5i, because the ride was TOO rough when driving on any patched streets. I didn't get a WRX, because on a 1 mi test drive, I couldn't wait to get out of it and into my old Chevy.
I figured I'd just stay on main streets through the city which aren't patched as much. I was running 30 fr/24rr, which was the same ratio of the pressures to the unloaded fr/rr weight of the car. I was just going to do with the 33/30 recommended, but decided to try 35/32, to see what it did for mileage, and then dropping to the 33/30 and compare. The car doesn't Hop on the lumps in the street like it used to feel like. Maybe the suspension has broken in, though only 2700mi on the car, or maybe the seats have, since they don't feel as hard, Or my back isn't as sensitive. I have weak muscles and have been wearing a back support before my back starts to tighten, which means, most of the time.
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Tony Hwang - 26 Jun 2008 15:14 GMT > With the price of gas so high, I decided to up the pressures from the > lower than factory ones I was running in my 2.5i, because the ride was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > VF Hmmm, Not considering premature of uneven wear of your tires? If they are inflated too much over or under the rating you can mess up the even tire tread wear. Under inflated tires can over heat. You know what it can cause on prolonged high speed cruising. You don't drive on highways? Under inflation can be dangerous. Too over inflated, you lose control/handling. What's wrong with WRX? I have one in the family. Kids drive Subaru, I am a Honda man. Truck is Ford.
houndman@phonom.net - 26 Jun 2008 17:53 GMT > hound...@phonom.net wrote: > > With the price of gas so high, I decided to up the pressures from the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > control/handling. What's wrong with WRX? I have one in the family. > Kids drive Subaru, I am a Honda man. Truck is Ford. when the factory Only gives One pressure rating for an empty or fully loaded vehicle, to me it can only be right in one situation, or an average. If 33psi is the right pressure for the front tires with 58% of the weight on them, than 30psi can't be right for tires with 42% of the weight. Fully loaded maybe.
For the streets I test drove the WRX on and even drive the 2,5i on, and Maybe because of the newness of the suspension and seat, that initially felt like the lumbar area was too stiff or protruded too much, and damaged sensitive muscles, even my 2.5i Hopped over slight irregularities in the streets, that was very uncomfortable. I am probably more sensitive than most do to an injury, but don't enjoy something that jolts me, that doesn't in other cars. All my cars have had HD suspensions, since that's what I prefer. Now after some mileage things are much more acceptable, even with slightly higher than factory recommended tire pressures.
I don't think 24psi in the unloaded rear of an Impreza wagon is too little. I run 20psi in a mid sized Chevy FWD car, though that has oversized tires in the rear, and never put more than 25 in the rears of any cars, and never had a problem with uneven tread wear, or failures.
Tony Hwang - 27 Jun 2008 01:55 GMT >> hound...@phonom.net wrote: >>> With the price of gas so high, I decided to up the pressures from the [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > of any cars, and never had a problem with uneven tread wear, or > failures. Hi, Manual shows typical cover all situation tire pressures. Can I make a suggestion? with 20 psi pressure, go out to turn pike and cruise about couple hundred miles and see what happens. Often see all those shredded tire thread rubber pieces on the road? What do you think happened? I always raise pressure ~5% when towing. Same with hypermiling. All cars/trucks in my family has upgraded suspension. I like to drive vehicle which gives feedback from the road. I am a driver not a vehicle operator. Been at it over 50 years. Look at the tread evenness across your tires. Do they all look even?
houndman@phonom.net - 29 Jun 2008 01:39 GMT > hound...@phonom.net wrote: > >> hound...@phonom.net wrote: [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > operator. Been at it over 50 years. Look at the tread evenness across > your tires. Do they all look even? one of the rear tires in my old car has a very slow leak from a brad in the tread, that I haven't fixed, since it is mainly driven in a city, but it has been down to 7psi after I drove it on the highway, and it still is intact. Being oversized and on the rear of a FWD car, it has to get really low before it looks low. Since I never had a tire fail or uneven wear in my 50 yrs of driving, I guess I do something right. Those oversized tires have some pretty big cracks in the sidewall on the inboard sidewalls. Good thing I only see them when I have the tires off. )) To me the outer rubber is mainly to protect the fabric from abrasion, which it isn't going to get very easily on the inner sidewall. I worry more about the smaller, recommended size front tires for the car, because of the extra weight they have to carry. The rears can probably carry double the weight they do.
Rick Courtright - 29 Jun 2008 21:05 GMT > it has been down to 7psi after I drove it on the highway, > and it still is intact. Being oversized and on the rear of a FWD car, > it has to get really low before it looks low. Since I never had a tire > fail or uneven wear in my 50 yrs of driving, I guess I do something > right. Hi,
I'd suggest it's more likely Mr. Darwin just works slowly.
Rick
JD - 01 Jul 2008 19:41 GMT >> it has been down to 7psi after I drove it on the highway, >> and it still is intact. Being oversized and on the rear of a FWD car, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rick I agree. 7 PSI is damned close to where the bead will collapse.
sarahs choice - 08 Jul 2008 07:04 GMT >> it has been down to 7psi after I drove it on the highway, >> and it still is intact. Being oversized and on the rear of a FWD car, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rick too true!!!
houndman@phonom.net - 15 Jul 2008 20:41 GMT On 8 Jul, 05:04, sarahs choice <"Andys-Nemesis "@andysaloser.com> wrote:
> > hound...@phonom.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > too true!!! Yea, Mr Darwin never met me. Guess it wasn't wise to not plug a puncture sealing tire after pulling a roofing nail out, a few hrs before a 420mi trip on the Interstate. It only lost 3psi in 4 hrs before the trip.
Things like wet weather traction, and tire load cap are important to me, not things that aren't a concern. My dad was Real old school, and wouldn't park in a tire that had had a flat in any water. They Used to think that a Tube Type Tire that the tube was patched, the cotton cord in the carcass would rot, from water that got in an unplugged puncture, and blow out. Didn't make any difference that tires were tubeless at the time, and you plugged the carcass.
suburboturbo - 30 Jun 2008 16:32 GMT > hound...@phonom.net wrote: > >> hound...@phonom.net wrote: [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - As long as you're within reasonable limits on the tire manufacturer's spec, go with whatever's comfortable and provides the level of responsiveness that your driving style demands. Vehicle manufacturer's specs are often bogus. For example, I used to drive a Suzuki Samurai, a vehicle with an ultra-short wheelbase, a pair of solid axles and a rock hard truck suspension with zero compliance. To appeal to the US market, Suzuki recommended 24 psi (may be off on the nymber but sure it was low-mid 20's) to soften the ride. Of course, the handling was awful. Consumer Reports aside (everyone remembers the rollover "test" with the ouriggers that appeared on 60 Minutes, but nobody seems to know that after a prolonged legal battle, CU was forced to admit that they "never intended to imply that the Samurai easily rolls over in routine driving conditions." With 35 psi, it handled well and was very responsive. Not a Lotus, mind you, but out- cornered any other SUV (actually transformed a pure "utility vehicle" into a "sport utility vehicle". The ride was "somewhat" rough, to say the least. Only time I used the factory spec was when driving in sand, where it was unstoppable, just as it was in snow, mud, gravel, etc. Okay, a little wordy, but just wanted to say that manufacturers may specify less than optimum numbers for reasons that have nothing to do with performance. By the way, that Samurai lasted 20 years, 130,000 miles and spent the last two years of its life as a tractor hauling rocks and stumps through the woods clearing a hiking/biking trail through my brother's mountain retreat. Never had a serious problem with it; survived a rear-end collision with a dump truck that lost its brakes, drove it from Nags Head to Lake Placid and on the beach at Chappaquidick (no great fan of Ted Kennedy, but that bridge he drove off would be trouble for a sober driver in broad daylight). Best "cheap" new "car" I ever bought.
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