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Now, where else but the dealers can I go  to get services done on my     2005 legacy in the future?

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curious - 11 Jul 2008 06:53 GMT
My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in general.
in this latest 30,000 miles service, the girl failed to deduct the
amount for replacing sparks plug which I  found out after the service
was done that it was needed only at 60,000 miles for this car. (I am
sure she knew but didn't tell me ahead but I asked the detail of
everything done in the service and so found out about it.)  She argued
with me that it's additional charge.   I said "One surprise after
another" to make her realize that I wasn't buying her line though I
didn't specifically said that I wasn't going to pay hat amount. I knew
she was manipulating me but because I didn't want my day ruined any
further, I didn't say that she needed to deduct it.  But after I left,
I turned around, after deciding to let her know that I paid the full
price not because I agreed with her and also pointed to her about her
manipulation with words. She was stubborn and wouldn't budge. So I
left knowing that  I needed to deal with this con artist. So, I left
messages for the manager where I said I will share this experience
with many people all over the internet.

I was pissed off enough with her messing up my schedule yesterday
trying to save loaning me a car  - she didn't offer me  a loner car
and said it would take 5 hours and I didn't ask for it because they
could give me a ride to the hair salon and pick me up but after total
5 hours and I went to her and asked her about my car only to learn
that it would be another 2 hours and voila with an offer of a loaner
car, I said "you are offering me this after you wasted my time? She
said it was a full-day service. I said, "You didn't tell me that when
I was making appointment with you". I let the manager know - this was
done in person. Of course, he tried to cover for her but I didn't let
him. I left his office saying that I was unhappy. I also that I wasn't
coming back. Later, I called and left a message telling him in his
voice mail that I controlled my anger and did not show because I was
not going to give them any more business. I wrapped my message with
"You lost a customer".

I was pissed off already but with this stunt of cheating attempt for
spark plus work, she made me having to call the manager again - he was
not in at that time - to let him know what I planned to do which is
what I am doing RIGHT now. He called me back acting like I was a
trouble maker, offering me to refund the whole amount put on my credit
card in the form of a check. The amount was after the service credit
of $72.54 that I had with them. That service .was for the previous
girl failing to check  the tires - I made the specific request cus
pressure looked too low; I requested after they brought the car to me
after an oil change since I forgot to tell the girl beforehand.  She
said it was done   but I knew it wasn't done as the tire pressure
still looked the same but she was busy and so I left, planning to put
air on my own. But I got busy and before I got a chance to check, I
had a flat tire in the rain  and had a long day and also costed me
having to replace rather than repair. So, I informed the manager about
the consequences I faced.

When he returned the call, during the conversation, he said something
like "I was going to give you some service credit but after you said
this, I won't'.  What I said was that either she lied or she was
incompetent to not see that the tire pressure was too low and the guy
who was supposed to check did not check. So I told him that he
insulted me with covering for her and pointed out his failure to
acknowledge my complaint. He ended up checking into the matter and
voila!. There was no paper work on that by the tech guy. When he asked
the girl, she said she took his word. So,  he ended up offering me
some service credit. So, I gave them another chance, which was my last
oil change and then this latest service check.

This latest experience made me realize that since my warranty is up in
a couple of weeks anyway, it's time I stop using their service if
these girls are going to be like that.The first one used to be good. I
don't know what happened to her. . The second one, the one I made an
appointment with this lasttime  was a con artist from the beginning.

The manager said he is mailing the check to me tomorrow, obviously to
shut me up as I had told him in the message I left that this info of
my experience will be in all Subaru forums I can find on the
Internet.  Some of you may be curious which dealer this is. Stay
tuned....

BTW, when I made the appointment, I asked her in detail what were
going to be done. I also told her that I would want to see the list
when I come in before I agree to the work order. Still, after she made
me signed, she failed to give me a copy and  I had to ask.  Like I
said, this girl was all about ripping me off.  Plain stupid to pull
the stunt she did with failure to adjust their rate  due to not
needing spark plugs replacement.

Okay, this is one forum....

Now, I'll wait to see whether he actually send the check or not.
Todd H. - 11 Jul 2008 15:33 GMT
> My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
> has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in
> general.

[snip]
> Okay, this is one forum....
>
> Now, I'll wait to see whether he actually send the check or not.

Frankly, you sound like a whiney bitch to me.  This dealership is
likely delighted to have lost you as a customer.

If your concerns were legitimate, I sense from the "more heat than
light" nature of your post that you didn't articulate your concerns
very effectively, perhaps not to the right people empowered to give
you what you wanted, and perhaps not even giving them a concrete idea
of what you wanted.  

Such individuals are nearly impossible to satisfy.

--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
mm - 11 Jul 2008 16:37 GMT
> > My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
> > has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Frankly, you sound like a whiney bitch to me.

If I am labeled  whiney bitch for not taking it sitting like a duck, I
take it as a compliment.

> This dealership is likely delighted to have lost you as a customer.
Dealership only wants customers whom they can manipulate and rip off.

> If your concerns were legitimate, I sense from the "more heat than
> light" nature of your post that you didn't articulate your concerns
> very effectively,

B;lah..b;ah..blah..

>  perhaps not to the right people empowered to give
> you what you wanted, and perhaps not even giving them a concrete idea
> of what you wanted.
More blah  blah..blah ..

> Such individuals are nearly impossible to satisfy.
Yet more blah..blah..blah.. You must be retarded to make a comment
like this about someone you do not know. Typical of average
Americans..

> --
> Todd H.
> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA
Todd H. - 11 Jul 2008 16:52 GMT
>> > My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
>> > has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> If I am labeled  whiney bitch for not taking it sitting like a duck, I
> take it as a compliment.

No.

There are ways to assert your rights, make your points and get
satisfaction without being labeled a whiney bitch.

>> Such individuals are nearly impossible to satisfy.
> Yet more blah..blah..blah.. You must be retarded to make a comment
> like this about someone you do not know. Typical of average
> Americans..

I'm far from an average American, and I know a whiney bitch when I
read one.  

Kudos on your attempts to get satisfaction but the fault here lies not
entirely with the dealership, best I can tell.    I tell you this for
your own good so you dont' find yourself so disappointed with the next
poor bastards who have to service your car.

--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
Dano58 - 11 Jul 2008 16:56 GMT
> >> > My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
> >> > has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA

Todd, don't feed the troll! Let's see how many more id's the dope can
come up with - curious, mm, 'whiney bitch'....!

Dan D
'99 Impreza 2.5 RS (son's)
Central NJ USA
curious - 11 Jul 2008 18:25 GMT
> > >> > My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
> > >> > has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Todd, don't feed the troll! Let's see how many more id's the dope can
> come up with - curious, mm, 'whiney bitch'....!

Is your definition of a troll "having many ids"?    obviously, another
American idiot.

> Dan D
> '99 Impreza 2.5 RS (son's)
> Central NJ USA
curious - 11 Jul 2008 18:23 GMT
> >> > My 3 year warranty is up on the 26th.  The dealer I have been going to
> >> > has shown to live up to the accusations made about dealers in
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> There are ways to assert your rights, make your points and get
> satisfaction

Yeah, right. Tell me when that works when using with crooks.

> without being labeled a whiney bitch.

It is your opinion. isn't it? I don't miss my sleep over it.  I am
sure there are plenty of people who would just love to know the name
of the dealer.

> >> Such individuals are nearly impossible to satisfy.
> > Yet more blah..blah..blah.. You must be retarded to make a comment
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I'm far from an average American, and I know a whiney bitch when I
> read one.

You become an average American and an idiot at that,  when you jump at
me with name calling, accusing me that I whine.

> Kudos on your attempts to get satisfaction but the fault here lies not
> entirely with the dealership, best I can tell.

Not entirely?  How many more ways did I have to show to her that I
wasn't going to be one of those who would just say yes?  If I had any
fault, it was paying for the total w/o insisting which I did it
because that was what i needed it done at that moment. I am
hypoglycemic and I had a late lunch and was still in recovery at that
moment and decided not to take a chance getting myself into more risky
situation when driving.

But after I left, I decided to at least let her know that it was not
because I bought her stupid explanation that I walked away paying her
for service I didn't get.

>  I tell you this for  your own good Really?
Really?  You mean name calling and trying to intimidate was your way
of telling me for my own good?

> so you dont' find yourself so disappointed with the next  poor bastards who have to service your car
Thanks but not thanks. When people like us crossed the pacific ocean
and start a new life in a foriegn county, be assured that we know what
we are doing. Here are a few example of how I took care of things:

- Living at a campus housing apartment complex managed privately, when
I decided to transfer to another university and needed to get out of
the 12 months lease finding a replacement, the redneck wouldn't let
me. So, I took the matter to the school's student affairs office as
suggested by the other girl, a Vietnamese descendant, who was born
here

- Renting the dorm size refrigerator from a guy delivered on campus -
at this other university, I was also living on campus housing
apartments but mange by the school, when I returned the unit by taking
it to where they collect at the end of the semester, I did not get my
deposit back and was told that it will be mailed to me. Never received
and all my phone calls were not answered. So, I told about this to the
student council on campus. At the beginning of the next semester, that
office called me informed me that there was a truck delivering the
fridge though it was a different business name.  I called the guy,
pretending as if I was interested in getting a unit. When he came -
the bastard was the same guy form whom i rented the unit, as I
arranged with all my friends who also live in that graduate housing,
surrounding me, I asked the guy some questions about rental
arrangement and then asked whether he always comes her every
semester.  After he said yes, I told him that he looks very familiar
to me because it was form him that I rented last semester and that I
have not yet received my deposit refund with my phone calls ignored.
Now with all my friends around me, the poor bastard chose to offer me
cash refund right then and there.

- In the same city, I bought a commuting flight to make a connection
through a travel agency but when it got canceled, I told the agency to
get me my refund but they acted as if the air line was not refunding
while they put no effort getting the money for me. Finally, I told
them that  if I don't hear an offer of the refund in 3 days, I am
taking it to the legal office at school  and let the representative
from the school handle filing a lawsuit. I was told that the airline
was going bankruptcy and that I would not get my money back. I said,
"let the judge decide whether the poor student deserves to be ripped
off".  Within two days, I called  a call, and as soon as I knew who it
was, I simply said, "you have 3 days to mail a refund check with
express mail" or I am filing  a lawsuit via the school which would
cost me nothing to file.

There are a few more such as UPS failing to deliver my book - and
failed repeatedly at that - finally, informing me that they have no
way to get inside the condo property. Of course, they lied that the
management change the code while the guy lost the remote control. They
expected me to pick it up at their UPS office the other side of town.
That, after I paid express shipping.  So, I contacted BBB via online.

There are a few other situations..

Now, if I am a bitch for doing what I have to do, I say it again: "I
take it as a compliment. "

> --
> Todd H.
> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA
Todd H. - 11 Jul 2008 19:23 GMT
> You become an average American and an idiot at that,  when you jump at
> me with name calling, accusing me that I whine.

So your allegation is that it's better to be a Burmese (generally
wonderful folks that I've met) who's unfortunately assimilated America
fast enough to be a fast-track entitlement-minded Californian whiner?

> Really?  You mean name calling and trying to intimidate was your way
> of telling me for my own good?

Well, sometimes you have to hurt to help.

> - Living at a campus housing apartment complex managed privately, when
> I decided to transfer to another university and needed to get out of
> the 12 months lease finding a replacement, the redneck wouldn't let
> me. So, I took the matter to the school's student affairs office as
> suggested by the other girl, a Vietnamese descendant, who was born
> here

You sign a year's lease and got upset that the person who was counting
on 12 months of income out of that utilization of their capital tried
to hold you to the legal agreement you signed?  

> - Renting the dorm size refrigerator from a guy delivered on campus -
> at this other university, I was also living on campus housing
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Now with all my friends around me, the poor bastard chose to offer me
> cash refund right then and there.

Well, kudos to that.  You had a legitimate gripe.  I bet you could've
gotten satisfaction witha  few phone calls too, though.

> - In the same city, I bought a commuting flight to make a connection
> through a travel agency but when it got canceled, I told the agency to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> express mail" or I am filing  a lawsuit via the school which would
> cost me nothing to file.

Your stories are growing tiring.

> There are a few more such as UPS failing to deliver my book - and
> failed repeatedly at that - finally, informing me that they have no
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Now, if I am a bitch for doing what I have to do, I say it again: "I
> take it as a compliment. "

I think I like you better than the idiots who take things lying down
and let companies walk all over them.   But you've gone to the
opposite extreme I think... and I wonder if you're someone that
trouble always manages to find because your attitude seems to always
be looking for some conflict rather than being focused more on an
equitable solution.

But that's just me having fun with armchair usenet psychology.  

Enjoy your hunt for a new service facility.    Did you ever bother to
include in your long tirade where you're located?   Perhaps more
constructive information like that might focus more on solving your
problem (i.e. finding a new auto servicer) than on your belabored
stories of consumer oppression.  

But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
actual solution.  :-)

--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
curious - 12 Jul 2008 12:45 GMT
> > You become an average American and an idiot at that,  when you jump at
> > me with name calling, accusing me that I whine.
>
> So your allegation is that it's better to be a Burmese (generally
> wonderful folks that I've met) who's unfortunately assimilated America
> fast enough to be a fast-track entitlement-minded Californian whiner?

Like I said, you're typical Americans who when have nothing
constructive to say, comes up w/ bs. BTW, the fact that you stopped to
reading my posts made w/ account not intended to use here but I
accidentally used, showed how desperate you are.

BTW, don't equate me with the Burmese folks  you met. I ain't native
and do not want to be either.

> > Really?  You mean name calling and trying to intimidate was your way
> > of telling me for my own good?
>
> Well, sometimes you have to hurt to help.
You were helping? News to me.   FYI, I think you're dumb.  If  my
using this line doesn't make you to realize that you can't take back
the stupidity you showed w/ your first post in this thread, I do not
know what will.

> > - Living at a campus housing apartment complex managed privately, when
> > I decided to transfer to another university and needed to get out of
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> on 12 months of income out of that utilization of their capital tried
> to hold you to the legal agreement you signed?

Like I said, you are an average American such that in your pursuit to
find fault w/ me you put  a noose in your neck to remember that as a
privately managed apartment complex though they only rent to students
at that university, I had a f.cking right to get out of lease if I
find a replacement who would take over my lease just like at any
apartment complex..  If managed by the university, I wouldn't need to
find a replacement for reasons such as graduating or transferring to
another university.

> > - Renting the dorm size refrigerator from a guy delivered on campus -
> > at this other university, I was also living on campus housing
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Well, kudos to that.  You had a legitimate gripe.  I bet you could've
> gotten satisfaction with a  few phone calls too, though.

WTF?  Can you read English, your first language?  I clearly indicated
in my explanation that my phone calls were not returned while no one
ever answered the phone.

> > - In the same city, I bought a commuting flight to make a connection
> > through a travel agency but when it got canceled, I told the agency to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Your stories are growing tiring.
Good, I have more for people  like you who acts like a smart Alec.

> > There are a few more such as UPS failing to deliver my book - and
> > failed repeatedly at that - finally, informing me that they have no
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> be looking for some conflict rather than being focused more on an
> equitable solution.

You can wonder what you want. Which part of the explanation did you
not understand that when I made the appointment for 30,K maintenance
check, I made it with that girl , asking her what exactly would be
done in the check, AND clearly told her that when I get there, I would
want to see the list of items she is stating before I signed the work
order.   Still, the con artist tried to not give me a copy of the work
order after asking me signed for it.  In the past, the previous
person, ALWAYS gave me one right when I signed it.  I didn't think
much of all that until she pulled the last stunt, making me realized
that she's a wanna con artist but she tried on the wrong person. Like
typical Americans idiots, she probably interpretted my accent as
dumbness.

> But that's just me having fun with armchair usenet psychology.
What else would you  say?
I assure you I am having fun making you realize that you are  a
typical average American

> Enjoy your hunt for a new service facility.    Did you ever bother to
> include in your long tirade where you're located?

That was going to be given later after I get my refund check in the
mail?  BTW, why did you think the manager offered me the refund in the
form of check and not put it back on credit card? I knew he could do
that instead of giving me some lame excuse, needing my credit card,
blah..blah... It's called damage control. He knew that I had
legitimate complaints to take it to BBB and Consumer affairs and also
he doesn't want me to be posting in Subaru forums.

>  Perhaps more
> constructive information like that might focus more on solving your
> problem (i.e. finding a new auto servicer) than on your belabored
> stories of consumer oppression

The goal of the post was not just finding a new place to take my car
to; it was also to ive them what they deserve for doing this to a long
the customer.

> But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
> actual solution.  :-)

What else you got?  Typical dumb men always attacking women as drama
people while men are the ones w/ real drama.

FYI, I already got a place to take my car to given to me by an
employee at that dealership. I was told that if that place didn't
handle Suabru, they would refer me another one that does. But, that
place is kind of far and I would prefer to find something closer. I am
sure I can find it by posting in a forum where people from my city
meets.

> --
> Todd H.
> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA
Todd H. - 12 Jul 2008 15:50 GMT
>> > You become an average American and an idiot at that,  when you jump at
>> > me with name calling, accusing me that I whine.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> BTW, don't equate me with the Burmese folks  you met. I ain't native
> and do not want to be either.

So let me see if I've got this straight-- you're Burmese and American
but you don't want to be associated with Burma and you seem to hate
"typical Americans?"  

Is there anything you like?    

>> > Really?  You mean name calling and trying to intimidate was your way
>> > of telling me for my own good?
>>
>> Well, sometimes you have to hurt to help.
> You were helping? News to me.

I'm telling you that your actions sound like they _draw_ poor customer
service and that you might try a more reasoned approach lest every car
repair facility you ever step into send you off into a rant the likes
of what we've endured here.

To wit, maybe the problem is more easily found in the vanity mirror of
your car than with the actual dealership.

> FYI, I think you're dumb.  If my using this line doesn't make you to
> realize that you can't take back the stupidity you showed w/ your
> first post in this thread, I do not know what will.

And I think yer an entitlement minded confrontational pain in the a.s.

> Like I said, you are an average American such that in your pursuit to
> find fault w/ me you put  a noose in your neck to remember that as a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> find a replacement for reasons such as graduating or transferring to
> another university.

You have some things to learn about the legal system and contracts
apparently.  As a privately managed apartment complex, they had you
sign a year's lease.  And unless that lease had a clause to let you
out of it because you decided to whimsically transfer to another
university, then they had every right to hold you to the terms of the
lease.  That's why these legal documents get signed.  

And that's why among the reasons why University housing costs more
than private.

But I'm sure in your world what you want to do is supposed to trump
the legal terms of any contract you've signed? It's also pretty clear
to me you've never run your own business and had to deal with pain in
the a.s customers like yourself.

>> Well, kudos to that.  You had a legitimate gripe.  I bet you
>> could've gotten satisfaction with a few phone calls too, though.
>
> WTF?  Can you read English, your first language?  I clearly indicated
> in my explanation that my phone calls were not returned while no one
> ever answered the phone.

I said "a few phone calls."  You said "my phone calls."  If you had
some sense of nuance in language you've had picked up on the
difference.  What I'm saying is that had you approached YOUR phone
calls in a different way perhaps results would have been better with
that route.  For example, did you come off as a whiney emotional pain
in the a.s in those messages you left, I wonder?   In a way that
practically begged the person to wonder "do I really want to return
the phone call of this pain in the a.s?"

>> Your stories are growing tiring.
> Good, I have more for people  like you who acts like a smart Alec.

Wait a minute I thought I was dumb.  Now I'm smart and a Baldwin
brother?  Which is it?

> That was going to be given later after I get my refund check in the
> mail?  BTW, why did you think the manager offered me the refund in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> legitimate complaints to take it to BBB and Consumer affairs and also
> he doesn't want me to be posting in Subaru forums.

I'm sure he's scared.

>> But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
>> actual solution.  :-)
>>
> What else you got?  Typical dumb men always attacking women as drama
> people while men are the ones w/ real drama.

LMAO.  This is funny.

To be honest, I totally thought you were a guy until this posting
where you mentioned being female several times.  If you mentioned it
in other posts, I glossed over it as I skimmed your rant.  I'd not
have dropped the B bomb if I didn't think you were a guy, actually.
So I'll cheerfully cop to making a wrong assumption that you were male
based on the demographic here in this forum and the lack of a usable
name in your posting handle.  I don't call women bitches, but boy it's
fun to call whiney guys that.

So if I had it to do all over again, I'd not call you a whiney bitch.
I would use "whiney emotional pain in the a.s" instead.

But you are right, dealing with a dealership as a female can be very
difficult, add in an accent and you're dealing with an additional
barrier.  So when you've got these two prejudices going against you,
and now, moving back to my desire to help you avoid this in the
future, you'd be well served to remove the emotion from the
negotiations, remain calm, and stick to facts and logic and not fuel
escalation.    

If you were as smart as you seem to think you are, you'd know that
successful negotiation is best based on fact, reason, and not
escalating the emotions of a conflict versus having a hissy fit and
going on a mission to complain to every Subaru forum you can find.  

I've been charged for spark plugs that I changed myself on 30k
services before.  I know I was able to effectively get the error
corrected without having a major meltdown about it.  Maybe the service
advisor you were dealing with was a charlatan, or maybe your charming
personality rubbed her the wrong way and led to a catty escalation,
who knows.   We weren't there.  

But I think the safe money is on your inability to calmly and firmly
describe the error, and get satisfaction rather than a scheming Subaru
service advisor being hell bent on making extra money charging people
for spark plugs.   But stranger things have happened I suppose.

> FYI, I already got a place to take my car to given to me by an
> employee at that dealership.

Good.   Are we done now?

Have a great weekend.  

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Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA

curious - 12 Jul 2008 23:53 GMT
Do you know that you are more boring than you will ever know?  Or
may be you are bored and were looking for drama. Right now, at this
moment, watching a movie on TV, during a commercial break, I will
entertain myself  by tearing apart your logic..again....

> >> > You become an average American and an idiot at that,  when you jump at
> >> > me with name calling, accusing me that I whine.
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>
> Is there anything you like?

I simply alerted you  to not assume that I am like those Burmese, most
of who are suffering from complex inferiority and expect us to
abandaon our heritage and culture and adopt theirs in ways where we
act as if we are ashamed of being us.  I like this Einstein 's quote:
"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

> >> > Really?  You mean name calling and trying to intimidate was your way
> >> > of telling me for my own goodor?
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> repair facility you ever step into send you off into a rant the likes
> of what we've endured here.

Well, suddenly, I have realized that I'd rather take nap during the
commercial reak than read your boring paternal crap. So I'll skip the
redundant crap you wrote, like the above.

> To wit, maybe the problem is more easily found in the vanity mirror of
> your car than with the actual dealership.
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>
> And I think yer an entitlement minded confrontational pain in the a.s.I take pride in not letting thieves get away with their thieving acts.

> > Like I said, you are an average American such that in your pursuit to
> > find fault w/ me you put  a noose in your neck to remember that as a
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> university, then they had every right to hold you to the terms of the
> lease.  That's why these legal documents get signed.

Do you think that if there wasn't such a clause, that redneck would
have given in?

> And that's why among the reasons why University housing costs more
> than private.

Wrong. University housing I was at was not dormitory and it's for
graduate students and it's market rate.

> But I'm sure in your world what you want to do is supposed to trump
> the legal terms of any contract you've signed? It's also pretty clear
> to me you've never run your own business and had to deal with pain in
> the a.s customers like yourself.

Like I said, you are boring, repeating the redundant crap, looking for
a straw like a drowning man.

Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.

> >> Well, kudos to that.  You had a legitimate gripe.  I bet you
> >> could've gotten satisfaction with a few phone calls too, though.
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> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA
Todd H. - 13 Jul 2008 07:58 GMT
> Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.

"Boring" must be a euphemism for "sh.t, the guy made a point so valid
that even _I_ can't seem to argue with it."

Between your loathing of "typical Americans," calling male southerners
"Bubba's," your misandry (look it up, college girl), your disdain for
your own fellow Burmese, you really are an interesting study.

Amanda, dear, for a foreign-born female Muslim availing yourself of
America's graduate education system, you certainly come off as most
racist and prejudiced so-called "educated" person I think I've ever
encountered.  Most reasonable people who are triple minorities are
rather cluefully sensitive to the perils of labeling people, but
somehow you've escaped that.

But suddenly, the more I see when googling curiousnfirewall@yahoo.com
and curiousnfirewall@gmail.com or just curiousnfirewall, the more I
fear you may actually have a diagnosable mental illness.  Perhaps OCD.
If that's true, I need to punch out of this discussion because it's
not cool to pick on the mentally unwell.

As appropriate, see your therapist or doctor.  Do the work.  Take the
meds.  Be well.  Quit harassing service departments, suing doctors, or
tormenting yourself trying to respond to all posts you don't agree
with on message boards.....  

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
curious - 14 Jul 2008 17:41 GMT
> > Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.
>
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> "Bubba's," your misandry (look it up, college girl), your disdain for
> your own fellow Burmese, you really are an interesting study.

FYI, I do not loathe Americans or Burmese per se.   I loathe Americans
who are idiots and the Burmese who act nice, claim to be Buddhists,
and yet are hypocrites. I assure you that the majority of Burmese
people you have met are such people, i.e.: outwardly nice-looking
people who think that those of us with only 2, 3 generation of history
in the country should not get equal citizenship as them.  This is
purely out of inferiority complex where they wrry that with better
work ethics and ability, we would outshine them in the free market
system.   If they (the mass)  had not be so happy about this
scapegoating ticket that the then military government used to make
them think their lots wold improve under the military rule and fought
against the military rule in mass-scale, the military power would not
have gotten this strong.

I called him Bubba as he made a comment that I should not got o Texas.
Only a Bubba would make that kind of nationalistic statement.

> Amanda, dear, for a foreign-born female Muslim
Like I said, you keep proving how average American you are with this
labeling despite knowing where religious leaning form spying on me,
reading my posts in other groups.

> availing yourself of  America's graduate education system,
> you certainly come off as most  racist and prejudiced so-called
"educated" person I think I've ever
> encountered.

Glad to hear that because, even in my younger years as  a teenager, I
used to see myself  as representative of International but as I get
older, I have realized that those of us who do not belong to any
particular ethnic group (I am referring to the ones not based by
religious identity) do not have a voice. The vast majority of the
people, despite exposure to other culture after moving to another
country, still function based on tribal mentality. Hard to blame them
for they see how the host country never accept them (or us) as equal
and they are subtly discriminated but that doesn't stop them to not do
the same on others (people like me).  That is why I loathe such
Burmese.

> Most reasonable people who are triple minorities are
> rather cluefully sensitive to the perils of labeling people, but
> somehow you've escaped that.

I already explained why I have changed my position on that in my
previous post. Here is a fact: The Burmese who want to discriminate
minority like me do so out of fear of our superior ability in commerce
and yet they act like we are supposed to act inferior and feel ashamed
in front of them. That is what disgust me the most.
Todd H. - 14 Jul 2008 20:15 GMT
>> > Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.
>>
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> who are idiots and the Burmese who act nice, claim to be Buddhists,
> and yet are hypocrites.

Then why not leave "American" and "Burmese" out of the name calling
and focus on the real issue of "idiots" and "hypocrites?"

> I called him Bubba as he made a comment that I should not got o Texas.
> Only a Bubba would make that kind of nationalistic statement.

There's you being locked cocked and looking for a fight based on your
ethnicity.   The way I read it, Texas doesn't want you simply because
you're a demonstrated pain in the a.s.  His comment had nothing to do
with race or nationalism yet you're the one who went there.

See?

>> Amanda, dear, for a foreign-born female Muslim
> Like I said, you keep proving how average American you are with this
> labeling despite knowing where religious leaning form spying on me,
> reading my posts in other groups.

Nah, I'm actually well above average, and you'll note that I'm not
making an issue of your religious leanings, though I'm sure you're the
sort who would love me to make an issue with it so you can call
attention to how you're being oppressed.

>> availing yourself of America's graduate education system, you
>> certainly come off as most racist and prejudiced so-called
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> the same on others (people like me).  That is why I loathe such
> Burmese.

Was that in English?  I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying
here.

>> Most reasonable people who are triple minorities are
>> rather cluefully sensitive to the perils of labeling people, but
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> and yet they act like we are supposed to act inferior and feel ashamed
> in front of them. That is what disgust me the most.

People who discriminate on race, color, nationality or generally any
attribute that folks can't really change do quite suck.

But you've got control over being a colossal pain in the a.s.  

Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more adequately explained
with a simple oversight.    And remember you can catch a lot more
flies with sugar than with vinegar.   Not everyone is out to get ya.

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
curious - 15 Jul 2008 16:26 GMT
> >> > Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.
>
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> Then why not leave "American" and "Burmese" out of the name calling
> and focus on the real issue of "idiots" and "hypocrites?"

Most people on usenet (that means internationally) know that the term
"American idiots" is a common usage since most Americans who choose
not have have clues about things and listen to their biased media and
quick to form biased opinion are idiots.   As for the Burmese, I only
said  to not assume me like the Burmese you met. You were the one who
started accusing me this and that and that's when I elaborated the
hypocritical nature of the majority of the Burmese in general. As with
the term "American idiots", it would not be far off to make a general
statement about them either for the majority have deep-seated
resentment against the immigrants that arrived during the British rule
failing to understand that the Burmese economy was made by those
people and not that these people came to reap the benefit of their
country. Hell, what kind of economy Burma had before?   Burma became a
rice exporter during the British time, owing greatly ot the money
lenders of Southern India and yet, all they can see is that those
money lenders benefited.  They didn't even have any clue that those
Chattiers did not loan directly to them for they have no established
credit. It was the middle men from whom they loaned and these
middlemen themselves were Burmese.   That's just one example.

> > I called him Bubba as he made a comment that I should not got o Texas.
> > Only a Bubba would make that kind of nationalistic statement.
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> you're a demonstrated pain in the a.s.  His comment had nothing to do
> with race or nationalism yet you're the one who went there.

Fair enough but my statement was to let him know that I wasn't so keen
on moving to Bubba town.

> See?
See what? Do you see how you were the one doing the name calling. Like
I said, you are  a typical representation of typical American on
usenet.

> >> Amanda, dear, for a foreign-born female Muslim
> > Like I said, you keep proving how average American you are with this
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> Nah, I'm actually well above average, and
> you'll note that I'm not  making an issue of your religious leanings,

 After creating a label "a foreign-born female Muslim", you are
joking with the above claim, right?

> though I'm sure you're the  sort who would love me to make an issue with it

This (the above statement) is exactly the kind of proof that you ar a
typical American loser.

> so you can call   attention to how you're being oppressed.

I only complained about the crook at the dealership, which, I am sure
she did because the management encourages. Heck, it is not even a
complaint as much as to expose them.  But, you being a typical
American did what you did.  I know that it hurts your reputation to be
called a typical American.  But you need to acka=nwledge that you did
become a typical American with that initial reply of yours and live
with it.

> >> availing yourself of America's graduate education system, you
> >> certainly come off as most racist and prejudiced so-called
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>
> But you've got control over being a colossal pain in the a.s.

I told you already. I chose to change myself for I am sick of being
the nice and understanding person and the jealousy I get form so
called friends.  When I was new to this country, when I went to
Burmese get-togethering, I thought that the people (who has been here
for more than 7 years, 10 years. etc.) would not be acting with tribal
mentality but what I saw was the opposite.  Sure it was the individual
and so I didn't not make a decision to just form a generalized view
though these *lovely* people you called are full of prejudice.  The
first thing they would ask is where I lived back home. It was the way
to determine my socio-economic background. Once they get the answer,
they pretty much formed the opinion that I was from one of those rich
family back background.  Since they couldn't treat me down based on
that, they tried to find ways to find something but unfortunately for
them, as a person on student visa which most of knew nothing about
(especially back in those days), my English was not weak like them
(for I had studied and took TOEFL and GRE already and with my habit of
reading, I was not clueless the way  a typically newly arrived person
from Burma would be).   In summary, I stayed away, realizing that I do
no fit it with them. Their topic in all those get-together is gossip.

That did not stop me from not giving a chance for friendship to some
other people - this was much later, after i had been in US for 8,9
years.  The youngest of three sisters were my age.  Before
nationalization, they used to well-to-do but afterward, like some
Anglo-Indians, who didn't get to leave Burma, they became poor.
(Typical Anglo-Indians were salaried employees during British time;
most were never Business owners or in highly educated professions).
For Being Christians, through Church organizations, they typical find
work in the circle of the diplomat community. The ones with some
education get secretary jobs in the British and US Embassies. Boys
work as guards in such Embassies or waiters in some restaurants that
these diplomats go. The girls do babysitting and housekeeping for the
diplomat family.    Yes, it was my mistake to assume that we could
form a friendship with them. The middle girl, 3 years older was a
little brighter to know that   coming to US on a student visa, no
comparison should one made but the oldest one was  another story.   It
was not like I was putting them down but she was just jealous and
would try to find petty ways to imply (based on colonial mentality) as
if they were superior.  The stupid head had no clue that my
grandfather, in colonial days, was a big business man, not some
salaried employees like theirs.  finally, the youngest one, the one my
age said something that sort of attack me and that's when I printed
the humble history of Anglo-Indian, written by an American professor -
that article has been taken off; I guess it's because it was
criticized for speaking the truth - that started with Irish soldiers
impregnating native Indian girls  w/o marriage and how Catholic Church
took these children and made them think English was their home though
they have never been there. Over time, an Anglo-Indian community was
formed and some ended up in Burma.   I may appear mean for sending
them that article *which I translated for them for they can't read
that level English", but as far as i am concerned, if they have the
nerve to attack me as if I am inferior, they should know who they
really are first.

I thought that they would be different from the native Burma group and
so after that, I didn't try to make any more friend with anyone form
Burma to get together and cook Burmese food, etc. But, upon moving to
this city, I ended up becoming friend with a Burman family. The couple
is pretty good but over time, I learned their version of democracy.
Through them, I met a girl form an ethnic group called Karen. She
came to US on a  student visa - hers was via a Christian organization
and not privately like mine but she understood  me though she didn't
stay put with her studies and got married.  Then her brother and his
wife came via  refugee program; her father was in the Guerilla army
since she was young and with Thailand being overburdened with newly
arrived refugees after student's protest, US started relocating these
people to a third country and she was the first in her family apply
for the program and they ended up in US. The couple of was nice and I
was becoming friend with them but ...

The husband started getting into computer hardware in Thailand and so
in US, he started studying for networking.   He has no bachelor
degree; he had an electrical technician degree from Burma. He may take
some programming class as a part of the program he is studying but the
IT consulting firm (typically run by Indians who come from India)  I
joined would not have been his arena aside since he was not in
software (neither programming or SW testing).  The next thing I knew,
he was very inquisitive when he learned what I was doing - he probably
saw some Indians at where he works  as a desktop support - out it and
so I explained to him  but what I did not realize was that he started
holding ti against me a if I owed him to report everything I do. For
f.ck's sake, I have an MS degree (from US) in the field and that's why
they took me though they typically only takes the people needing their
sponsoring for work visa and not US residents like me who wouldn't put
up with their exploitation.  To make the story short, after that, the
friendship just gone don the hill.  They did not spell it out loud abd
I didn't notice right away but eventually, I realized that told them
how these It consulting firm operates which requires agreement to be
sent to anywhere in US for the assignment. With a family with a 4 year
old daughter, he wouldn't want to do that even if he is eligible for
it.   It made me feel hurt that they were like that like that to me
after I gave him my programming text book, etc.  I also came to
realize a few of my inquisitive questions about the programs for the
refugees and low income she attended that they would not give which I
feel amuse as i am writing this.

So, I decided that of people are like that and I only get hurt, I need
to develop a mentality in a way that would prevent me from getting
hurt like this.  My experience with them doesn't stop me from helping
people. I am now helping someone who arrived US, not on refugees
program, not on  student visa, but as a regular immigrant.  I met her
at a get-together last December hosted by a Physician couple who are
originally from Burma. I met the couple in Nordstrom at a mall. They
heard m speaking Burmese on the phone and introduced themselves to
me.  The couple is in their late 50s and the girl was just staying
with one of their daughters temporarily.

BTW, basically the same with people from other groups, namely
Americans. I had had Americans who were jealous at me that's just
pathetic. Rarely do I see people who are worth making friendship but I
do meet a few. Usually, they are men, and for being men it's hard for
the friendship to last when they want more and I do not feel the same.

I have my reason to want to become a pain in the a.s. I am not going
to revert back to how I used to be. I am going to stick with this. I
am pissed off. May be this is what people means by becoming jaded. I
guess I am getting old enough to start becoming jaded.

All this in  a Subaru forum? You asked for it.  This is my last post.
What a waste of time!

> Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more adequately explained
> with a simple oversight.    And remember you can catch a lot more
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> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA
Todd H. - 15 Jul 2008 18:49 GMT
>> >> > Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.
>>
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> not have have clues about things and listen to their biased media and
> quick to form biased opinion are idiots.  

Welcome to America, then darlin.  You are officially an idiot, because
you have made the broad brush painting mistake of putting a label on
me that doesn't fit.

> As for the Burmese, I only said to not assume me like the Burmese
> you met. You were the one who started accusing me this and that and
> that's when I elaborated the hypocritical nature of the majority of
> the Burmese in general.

No, Dopey, I was just clarifying that I had no negative perception of
the Burmese so that it was crystal clear that it was YOU who I thought
was a pain in the a.s of your own merit, and not by virtue of any
stereotyping.  Copiche?

> As with the term "American idiots", it would not be far off to make
> a general statement about them either for the majority have
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> credit. It was the middle men from whom they loaned and these
> middlemen themselves were Burmese.  That's just one example.

Darlin, we Americans have been taught so little about Burma that
you'll struggle to find anyone who can point to it on a map within
2000 miles much less have any resentment to Burmese immigrants
specifically, and far less to care about British rule or any of the
geo political crapola associated with the country.  

You're giving our capacity to be prejudiced against your countrymen
way too much credit.

> BTW, basically the same with people from other groups, namely
> Americans. I had had Americans who were jealous at me that's just
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> All this in  a Subaru forum? You asked for it.  This is my last post.
> What a waste of time!

You need some therapy.  Seriously.  You are a bitter bitter ball of
wax.  Calling you jaded would be be an affront to jaded people.
Life's too short to be THAT pissed off all the time.  

And I'll leave this quote of mine for further review:

>> Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more adequately explained
>> with a simple oversight.    And remember you can catch a lot more
>> flies with sugar than with vinegar.   Not everyone is out to get
>> ya.

Be well.  Best of luck with your Subaru.  

--
Todd H.
2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
Chicago, Illinois USA
curious - 15 Jul 2008 23:40 GMT
> >> >> > Too boring man. Gotta go. Bye.
>
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> you have made the broad brush painting mistake of putting a label on
> me that doesn't fit.

If you say so but I stand on my point: You became one when you called
me whiney bitch in your first reply..

> > As for theBurmese, I only said to not assume me like theBurmese
> > you met. You were the one who started accusing me this and that and
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> was a pain in the a.s of your own merit, and not by virtue of any
> stereotyping.  Copiche?

Sigh.  And I was letting you know that the majoirty of those lovely
people you referred to  are not so lovely.

> > As with the term "American idiots", it would not be far off to make
> > a general statement about them either for the majority have
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> specifically, and far less to care about British rule or any of the
> geo political crapola associated with the country.

I was only elaboraying about those *LOVELY* people.

> You're giving our capacity to be prejudiced against your countrymen
> way too much credit

I did not say anything about your capacity toward Burmese. I was
saying about your (as a general term, not you per se)  capacity toward
forigners especially nn-white ones in general.

> > BTW, basically the same with people from other groups, namely
> > Americans. I had had Americans who were jealous at me that's just
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> wax.  Calling you jaded would be be an affront to jaded people.
> Life's too short to be THAT pissed off all the time.

Not all the time. Just right  now and it comes out in this forum only
for reasons you should know. You triggered tenfold it out of me. yes,
you get the credit.

> And I'll leave this quote of mine for further review:
>
> >> Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more adequately explained
> >> with a simple oversight.    And remember you can catch a lot more
> >> flies with sugar than with vinegar.   Not everyone is out to get
> >> ya.
Yeah, it was my attitude of "Not everyone is ut to get me" that got
me to where I was with the dealer place I was at.   Everything I have
done since I got that car, I gave them the business and even with my
making sure that I didn't just say "yes, 30,000 miles service" and
took over, they tried messing with me.  That pissed me off. Is that so
hard for you to understand and call me a whiney bitch?   Acknowledge
that you were way off just like a typical American.

> Be well.  Best of luck with your Subaru.

I will.  And I already have a mechanic shop I was referred to. I was
in the area yesterday and stopped by and introduced myself to him, the
owner.  He told me that Subaru needs very little maintenance, a sign
of honesty.   I had all 4 new tires put end of January (thanks ot the
courtesy of the dealer's failing to check my tires as I requested) at
Les Schwab and their CS is great.  Before going to Les Schwab, I
stopped by at a tire place that was willing to replace just the one
tire that was flat with the same model but asked ridiculous price.
Even Les Schwab didn't give me any compensation for my old tires but I
was too busy to bother getting rid of them myself by selling.

BYE.

> --
> Todd H.
> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA
gotbent - 12 Jul 2008 14:35 GMT
> But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
> actual solution.  :-)
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> 2001 Legacy Outback Wagon, 2.5L H-4
> Chicago, Illinois USA

Good observation dude. I think the OP is just so on the rag....maybe if she
dislikes Americans so much, she should stop sponging off the nice folks in
Cali that are paying for her matriculation and go back the f.ck wherever she
came from. If any of these events actually happened anywhere besides the
confines of her poisoned mind she should publicize names and dates, so the
concerned parties could launch lawsuits for the libel and slander this ditz
is spouting.

gotbent
Dave - 12 Jul 2008 16:21 GMT
>> But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
>> actual solution.  :-)
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> folks in Cali that are paying for her matriculation and go back the f.ck 
> wherever she came from. snip

As long as it's not Texas. We don't want her either!

PS Todd, your posts were well thought out and surprisingly restrained in the
face of that fury. I've done the same in face to face conflicts with
customers, but don't know that I could have done the same on the internet.
<G>
curious - 12 Jul 2008 23:39 GMT
> >> But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
> >> actual solution.  :-)
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>
> As long as it's not Texas. We don't want her either!

There is an example of a Bubba.

> PS Todd, your posts were well thought out and surprisingly restrained in the
> face of that fury. I've done the same in face to face conflicts with
> customers, but don't know that I could have done the same on the internet.
> <G>

Thank you on behalf of Todd for trying to help save his face but you
do know that it would not work, didn't you?  But then being a Bubba,
you couldn't possibly have know, have you?
Dave - 13 Jul 2008 14:23 GMT
>> >> But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
>> >> actual solution.  :-)
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> do know that it would not work, didn't you?  But then being a Bubba,
> you couldn't possibly have know, have you?

"But then being a Bubba, you couldn't possibly have known, could you?"

There, I fixed it for you. What do you know, I can be civil over the
internet! You have a great day darlin'! Buhbye!
curious - 12 Jul 2008 23:37 GMT
> > But then again, I think you are more interested in the drama than an
> > actual solution.  :-)
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>
> gotbent

Thank you for showing to the world by an excellent example how a
typical American idiots's thought processing work, like a retard, of
course.

According to this American idiot, matriculation classes  in US are
held at the Universities in US.
Frank - 13 Jul 2008 13:33 GMT
>> Good observation dude. I think the OP is just so on the rag....maybe if she
>> dislikes Americans so much, she should stop sponging off the nice folks in
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> According to this American idiot, matriculation classes  in US are
> held at the Universities in US.

Looks like Gotbent hit a nerve.  Your original post was just a whine and
not worthy of discussion.
 
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