> > Or maybe my battery is just shot after 5+ years. I'm not sure what
> > would change from just the day before when I didn't notice anything
> > unusual.
>
> Dunno where you live but here in the south - 2.5 to 3 years is about
> average for a battery.
>>> Or maybe my battery is just shot after 5+ years. I'm not sure what
>>> would change from just the day before when I didn't notice anything
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> that would otherwise be lost via evaporation of the water. I do live
> in a mild climate although occasionally I've taken it to hot climates.
Heat does kill off batteries, that's why some cars now have heat
shielding or venting for airflow around the battery. But, that's only in
some cases and uses (one is Ford Crown Vics with the full police
interceptor package) where the underhood temperature is excessive to
start with.
I racked my brain for something solid to back this up, as I remember
seeing 150-200 deg F (somewhere in my past) as somewhat normal underhood
temperature, with "excessive" starting at 200. Unfortunately, my
Google-Fu isn't working well tonite, I couldn't find a website cite to
back that up.
But I did find this little gem:
(well worth saving on your hard drive, it's less than 6 mb)
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/press_room/starter-battery-frequent
ly-asked-questions.pdf
The author also states that maintainable batteries are preferred in hot
climates, but no definition of "hot" by a degree figure.
Same author cites a test done by Johnson Controls that found the average
life of a "good quality" battery is 37 months.
> So I went out to Costco and bought a new one. Not maintainable like
> the OEM battery, but I'm not sure where to find one. Starts well.
>
> I'm still not quite sure why it went from working well to just dying.
That same PDF has a section on why and how batteries fail, but it's a
little bit too technical in some ways and misses some basics.
Assuming that the charging systems is OK, most "just overnite" battery
failures are individual cell failures. When the battery gradually fails,
it's degradation of most or all of the cells. The PDF explains failure
conditions well but didn't really explain 'that' difference well.
A 12 volt battery is 6 individual 2 volt cells connected "head to tail"
(series) to total 12 volts. Each cell has to be in good working
condition for the whole battery to work. It's like those Xmas tree
lights that if one bulb burns out, the whole string's dead, or the chain
is only as strong as its weakest link.
> Maybe one time too many where the map light was left on overnight.
"Mindfarts" do that. Been dere, dun dat. My (un)favorite is sitting in
the car, listening to the stereo with the key in ACC, then turning the
key to ON to open the power window to talk to someone, and forgetting to
turn the switch back to ACC. Damned DRLs (daytime running lights) do
drain the battery fast!
y_p_w - 17 Jun 2009 18:01 GMT
> Assuming that the charging systems is OK, most "just overnite" battery
> failures are individual cell failures. When the battery gradually fails,
> it's degradation of most or all of the cells. The PDF explains failure
> conditions well but didn't really explain 'that' difference well.
Quite familiar with that. I keep around sets of AA rechargeable
batteries for use in a camera. Some sets are unusable after a day,
and I can trace it to one or two of the individual cells suffering a
rapid demise.
> A 12 volt battery is 6 individual 2 volt cells connected "head to tail"
> (series) to total 12 volts. Each cell has to be in good working
> condition for the whole battery to work. It's like those Xmas tree
> lights that if one bulb burns out, the whole string's dead, or the chain
> is only as strong as its weakest link.
I thought that series lighting was a thing of the past. It would
require higher voltage and of course there is the problem you
mention. I think most string lighting systems now just tap into two
power and ground wires.
> > Maybe one time too many where the map light was left on overnight.
>
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> turn the switch back to ACC. Damned DRLs (daytime running lights) do
> drain the battery fast!
Let me just say that it's not usually me leaving the map light on.
However - I was the one who thought that the parking light left on
overnight wouldn't be a problem. That prompted me to get a portable
jump starter after someone helped jump my car with one.