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Car Forum / Subaru Cars / June 2009

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Dave - 25 Jun 2009 22:20 GMT
I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
Legacy Outback.

I am getting the ODBII code for catalytic converter bank1 being
inefficient - P0420.

Is Bank1 the front?  Or must I replace both?

I have read in this group that <800 can buy a pair of CA cats, but all
I find online is the Subaru site selling them for $2000/pr.

I am guessing a muffler shop will be able to help me for less, but I
am frustrated with the lack of online info.

Please tell me where I can get CA legal cats which I will not have to
replace for a while.

Thanks!

--Dave
johninky - 25 Jun 2009 23:02 GMT
> I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
> Legacy Outback.
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>
> --Dave

First replace the O2 sensors.  Will have to anyways and more times
than not, new sensors will "fix" the problem.  Use antiseize on the
threads.
Dave - 26 Jun 2009 03:41 GMT
> > I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
> > Legacy Outback.
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> than not, new sensors will "fix" the problem.  Use antiseize on the
> threads.

How many O2 sensors are there?

Two?  Or more?

Non-turbo 2 cat Subaru system.

Thanks!
Hachiroku ハチロク - 26 Jun 2009 03:52 GMT
> I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
> Legacy Outback.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> --Dave

420 can be a LOT of things: Cat, O2 sensors, even a clogged vacuum line.

Before you go spending a lot of money on parts, spend a little time
checking things out...

I found a clogged vacuum line after 2 O2 sensors...
Dave - 26 Jun 2009 23:10 GMT
> > I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
> > Legacy Outback.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> I found a clogged vacuum line after 2 O2 sensors...

OK, I think more info will help...

1998 Legacy Outback
180,000+ miles

Based on what I have read, it looks like the front O2 sensor is fine,
the rear/post cat O2 sensor could be slowing down.

The "before" O2 sensor slowing would trigger another code, the after
one might not.

I can see the before, I will have to go hunting for the after...
Dave - 26 Jun 2009 23:12 GMT
> > I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
> > Legacy Outback.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> I found a clogged vacuum line after 2 O2 sensors...

Thanks for the info so far!

Question: Is any welding required to replace the cats?  It looks like
I might be able to do this myself with a little ingenuity.  I know the
nuts will not be easy, but I would probably choose to crack them off
anyways.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Jun 2009 21:05 GMT
>> > I have searched the internet for catalytic converters for my 1998
>> > Legacy Outback.
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> nuts will not be easy, but I would probably choose to crack them off
> anyways.

Cats are usually bolted in, but on Toyotas they may be welded.
If it is a welded system (usually the welded system is from the cat back
to the muffler) you can cut the welds, flare the front pipe or adapt a new
pipe, AFTER placing the clamps on the pipe, of course! and get a universal
cat that will fit.

Most Toyotas (Oh, SNAP! Wrong group!!!) er, Subarus have a y pipe that
comes into the cat and then the rest of the system attaches to that.

Subarus usually have 2 cats, a forward and an aft. Here in Mass we have
what's called 'California emissions', meaning the environuts got a hold of
the legislature and adopted the CA standards. I have an '89 GL Coupe and
when we put the exhaust on we 'skipped' the rear cat. The car passed
emissions with almost new-car readings on one cat! However, if they put
the car oon the lift and you only have one cat you're going to have to add
it back.

Good luck!
 
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