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Car Forum / Toyota / Camry / May 2005

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Cold start noise

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freelait2000@yahoo.com - 19 May 2005 03:50 GMT
Hi,
My car is a Camry 90'(4 cylinder, automatic trans, 110k miles). Two
months ago, it began develop a noise when cold start, especially in
morning. The engine sounds no more smooth. After driving several miles,
I cannot hear it anymore. The noise is a little like metal strike,
although it is absolutely not sharp. All and all, I cannot describe it
more clearly. I once drove the car to a garage one hour earlier in
order the car was cool enough and the technician could hear the noise.
But the noise was not obvious then. The technician could not find
anything wrong. For me, I feel the engine does not sound smooth than
two month ago even when the car is hot now. The technician didn't think
there was problem though.

The timing belt was not changed before. From the newsgroup it seemed
that worn timing belt may cause this. Unfortunately after changing
timing belt and water pump, the noise is still there.
Somebody in this newsgroup mentioned knocking sensor to cold start
noise. Although I have the Haynes repair manual, I cannot find the
sensor. If there is a knocking sensor for 3SFE engine, where is it?

What can I check for the noise?

Thank you very much.
Jason James - 19 May 2005 06:43 GMT
> Hi,
> My car is a Camry 90'(4 cylinder, automatic trans, 110k miles). Two
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> Thank you very much.

Could be piston-slap,..this can occur after high miles without proper
oil-change maintenance or thru an overheat with a scuffed piston,..or just
thru a grade piston which was a bit too loose at the factory build.

Typically the noisy piston makes a hollow light tapping noise which gets
louder  you drive off and load on the engine increases,..after about 10
minutes most moderate slappy pistons go quiet as the bore to piston
clearance reduces as the piston heats up.

Jason
freelait2000@yahoo.com - 26 May 2005 19:41 GMT
> Could be piston-slap,..this can occur after high miles without proper
> oil-change maintenance or thru an overheat with a scuffed piston,..or just
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> Jason

What is the consequence of piston-slap? Could you tell me?

Thanks,
Jason James - 29 May 2005 02:15 GMT
> > Could be piston-slap,..this can occur after high miles without proper
> > oil-change maintenance or thru an overheat with a scuffed piston,..or just
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> Thanks,

None that would worry you for many years. Noisey pistons (for what-ever
reason) are a fact of life in some race engines when they are cold,...in
fact engine manufacturers of performance engines in 'muscle cars' have long
resigned themselves to the fact that the customer just wont accept piston
slap while the engine heats up. It effectively limits the optimum design
piston for turbo/supercharged engines which have higher piston-crown
temperatures.

Jason
 
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