I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
I drive it commute everyday and 1/3 of the route is on freeway. However it's
around 20-40 miles on freeway during heavy traffic.
No matter what, it should at least has the city milage as Toyota claims, 24
miles/gallon, isn't it? Should I complain to dealer?
-fj
fj - 29 May 2005 06:43 GMT
BTW, it's a Camry LE with 4 cycinder.
What's your milage?
-fj
Einstein - 07 Jun 2005 13:43 GMT
Mine is doing around 23,5mpg - 24mpg with 1/3 city and 2/3 higway, a bit
disappointing
compared to my old camry that drove 28 -30 mpg (5 speed maunal)
I also have a old V6 Camry 1995 with very poor gas milage, it dosn't matter
how or where i drive it
it almost always end up with around 19 mpg
> BTW, it's a Camry LE with 4 cycinder.
>
> What's your milage?
>
> -fj
Ken Day - 29 May 2005 07:52 GMT
>I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
>always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
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>
>-BTW, it's a Camry LE with 4 cycinder.
>What's your milage?
fj
I have a Camry LE with a 2.2 and I get about 20 mpg around town and
27-28 highway. I just did a complete rebuild and It's about time for
a fillup.
I have about 300 miles on it now. Hoping the rebuild will help my
mileage.
Ken Day
fj - 30 May 2005 02:32 GMT
> I have a Camry LE with a 2.2 and I get about 20 mpg around town and
> 27-28 highway. I just did a complete rebuild and It's about time for
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>
> Ken Day
Are you talking about rebuild on a brand new Camry?
Philip - 30 May 2005 03:39 GMT
>> I have a Camry LE with a 2.2 and I get about 20 mpg around town and
>> 27-28 highway. I just did a complete rebuild and It's about time for
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>
> Are you talking about rebuild on a brand new Camry?
Current Camry does not have a 2.2 liter engine. Duh
Ken Day - 30 May 2005 16:49 GMT
>Current Camry does not have a 2.2 liter engine. Duh
Philip , I know they don't. but here is the question fj asked me.
>BTW, it's a Camry LE with 4 cycinder.
>What's your milage?
>-fj >
So.....Duh . :-)
Ken Day
Philip - 30 May 2005 17:06 GMT
>> Current Camry does not have a 2.2 liter engine. Duh
>
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>
> Ken Day
The old 2.2 bears little resemblence to the current aluminum block 2.5 with
VVTi and your '96 is a physically smaller car.
Ken Day - 31 May 2005 07:35 GMT
>>> Current Camry does not have a 2.2 liter engine. Duh
>>
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>The old 2.2 bears little resemblence to the current aluminum block 2.5 with
>VVTi and your '96 is a physically smaller car.
I'm very much aware that there is a difference in my 2.2 and the 2005
2.4 . What difference does it make anyway ? fj asked me what my fuel
mileage is. Sometimes you can be a Smart a.s ! But....I think I still
like you :-)
BTW , when did they start putting an aluminum block 2.5 in a 2005
Toyota Camry LE ??? Now you got me there. I wasn't aware of that.
Ken Day
Philip - 31 May 2005 17:32 GMT
>> The old 2.2 bears little resemblence to the current aluminum block
>> 2.4 with VVTi and your '96 is a physically smaller car.
>>
> I'm very much aware that there is a difference in my 2.2 and the 2005
> 2.4 . What difference does it make anyway?
In the first breath you admit there is a difference. In the second breath
you ask what difference does the difference make. An understanding OF the
differences between the two engines will answer your question. Read up.
> BTW , when did they start putting an aluminum block 2.4 in a 2005
> Toyota Camry LE ??? Now you got me there. I wasn't aware of that.
>
> Ken Day
The aluminum block 2.4 with VVTi for 2002 was the first departure from your
2.2 model.
Ken Day - 01 Jun 2005 07:59 GMT
>>> The old 2.2 bears little resemblence to the current aluminum block
>>> 2.4 with VVTi and your '96 is a physically smaller car.
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>
>In the first breath you admit there is a difference.
Of course I did because there is a difference.
>In the second breath you ask what difference does the difference make.
I didn't say " what difference does the difference make". I said
" what difference does it make"..... because in the context of our
conversation it has nothing to do with what fj and I were talking
about. Thats what I meant. Again....he only asked what my
mileage is and he knew mine was a 2.2 .
>An understanding OF the
>differences between the two engines will answer your question. Read up.
Damn...you just assume all sorts of things , don't you ? I do have an
understanding of the differences in the two mentioned engines.I know
the 2.2 inside and out pretty well , maybe not as well as you do , but
I have done a few rebuilds on the older 4 cylinders.
Although I have never rebuilt a 2.4 , I do know a little about the
engines. I have "read up" on them.
May I ask....... are you a mechanic ? Just curious.
> BTW , when did they start putting an aluminum block >2.4< in a 2005
> Toyota Camry LE ??? Now you got me there. I wasn't aware of that.
I see you changed my quote above. I had typed 2.5 and you changed it
to >2.4< when you pasted it in here. You said the new 4 cylinder was a
2.5 and I was questioning that. Was the 2.5 a typo in your previous
posts ?
>The aluminum block 2.4 with VVTi for 2002 was the first departure from your
>2.2 model.
Thank you , but I knew that. Since you are now typing 2.4 I assume
the 2.5 you typed earlier was in fact a typo.
Seems as though much of the time you only hear what you want to. And
if you don't like it , re-word it a little to suit yourself.
Ken Day
Ken Day - 01 Jun 2005 07:10 GMT
>>> Current Camry does not have a 2.2 liter engine. Duh
>>
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>The old 2.2 bears little resemblence to the current aluminum block 2.5 with
>VVTi and your '96 is a physically smaller car.
OK. But what does that have to do with what I told fj.
He only asked me what my mileage is..
Also , is the current 4 cylinder a 2.5 ? I thought it was a 2.4
Ken Day
Philip - 01 Jun 2005 07:14 GMT
>>>> Current Camry does not have a 2.2 liter engine. Duh
>>>
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>
> Ken Day
2.4
Ken Day - 30 May 2005 16:58 GMT
>> I have a Camry LE with a 2.2 and I get about 20 mpg around town and
>> 27-28 highway. I just did a complete rebuild and It's about time for
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>
>Are you talking about rebuild on a brand new Camry?
No. It's a 96 Camry LE 2.2. It had about 120k on it and the water pump
went out , blew a head gasket and warped and cracked the head. The
compression was a little low so once I was that far into it I decided
to do a complete rebuild. Since I was doing it myself not a whole lot
more for the extra parts.
Has more power now and I hope a little better mileage.
Not that it really makes a lot of difference since I only drive about
15k a year now.....more bragging rights than anything else ,
I suppose. :-)
Ken Day
Mark A - 29 May 2005 08:15 GMT
>I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
>always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
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>
> -fj
The mileage numbers are based on the car moving, occasionally stopping for
traffic lights, but not sitting still due to heavy traffic. Highway mileage
is based on a constant speed of 55 mph without stopping or slowing down (not
just physically being on a highway).
fj - 30 May 2005 02:48 GMT
>>I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and
>>it always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> mileage is based on a constant speed of 55 mph without stopping or slowing
> down (not just physically being on a highway).
Guess I will get this answer if I complain to my dealer. 21 MPG really
sucks. I ask here is because I want to know if all new Camrys are built that
way, or my car is a special case.
-fj
Philip - 30 May 2005 03:43 GMT
>>> I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the
>>> calculation and it always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the
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>
> -fj
"EPA fuel mileage is for COMPARISON ONLY .... you mileage will probably be
less"
You need to top off the tank and the go for a 50-75 mile highway drive with
no stop/go traffic or intersections. Top off again. Calculate your mileage.
If your fuel mileage is something close to EPA rating, then your typical
driving conditions are to blame for your current 21 MPG.
W.T. MC GLYNN - 01 Jun 2005 19:32 GMT
Please note:
EPA numbers are estimates only.
If you get within 10 % of the estimate
i would think you would be ok.
Onboard computer figures are always
higher than actual figures.
Qslim - 29 May 2005 12:34 GMT
> No matter what, it should at least has the city milage as Toyota claims
The EPA ratings that you see on the Monroney label are just that; EPA
ratings. The EPA performs tests, called drive cycles, on every car sold in
order to determine the approximate fuel mileage a driver can expect. The
problem is that these drive cycles have not changed in years to reflect
changing driving habits, traffic patterns, and vehicle specs. We get mileage
complaints at my dealer every day, yet I've never come across a car that was
not behaving normally. Check this out:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/cars_and_suvs/page.cfm?pageID=1474
XYZ ABC - 29 May 2005 14:32 GMT
> I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
> always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
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> No matter what, it should at least has the city milage as Toyota claims, 24
> miles/gallon, isn't it? Should I complain to dealer?
Do you have a trip computer on your car? What does it say?
I got over 40 MPG on highway and around 35 MPG over all (20% local)
according to the computer on my 05 Camry XLE 4 Cyl. It's pretty close to the
actual number.
BTW, the fuel rail on my car was leaking gas when I bought it and the first
tank went out real fast. You may want to check it out. Just smell around
your car and under the hood when parked in a garage.
ZR
Ken Day - 29 May 2005 19:16 GMT
>Do you have a trip computer on your car? What does it say?
>
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>
>ZR
Wow ! Never heard of anyone getting that kind of mileage. Thats great.
Wonder whats going on to make it do so good ? Could your trip computer
be wrong ? Try it the 'old fashioned' way.....measure it when you fill
up.
Ken Day
Philip - 29 May 2005 19:42 GMT
>> Do you have a trip computer on your car? What does it say?
>>
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>
> Ken Day
Nobody is getting that kind of mileage with a current four cylinder Camry
... even on Imperial Gallons.
fj - 30 May 2005 02:51 GMT
>> I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and
> it
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>
> ZR
My car is LE and I don't think I have a trip computer, or maybe I don't know
yet.
If your milage is true, that's really something. Is XLE and LE that
different?
-fj
Goat - 29 May 2005 19:28 GMT
Get around 30 to 31 mpg on the freeway with mine. The computer deal shows a
higher mpg (in the upper 30 range) which just plain bogus.

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> I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
> always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
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> -fj
Wolfgang - 29 May 2005 20:47 GMT
Wouldn't say its "very bad" - heavy traffic is the killer. Its new so give
it little longer to break in, check tire inflation (add 3lbs over what's
recommended), plus winter oxgenated fuel affects mileage adversely.
>I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
>always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
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>
> -fj
RVerDon - 30 May 2005 06:33 GMT
>I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
>always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
I have a 2005 LE 4 cylinder with a little less than 5,000 miles. I am
averaging around 22 for all driving, probably 2/3 city. My wife and I are
pretty conservative drivers and I am very disappointed with this mileage. I
didn't expect to attain the EPA numbers but 22 isn't even close.
Don in Tracy, Calif.
C. E. White - 01 Jun 2005 15:55 GMT
> >I have it for 5 months now. Everytime I add gas I do the calculation and it
> >always around 21.9 miles/gallon right from the first day I own it.
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> pretty conservative drivers and I am very disappointed with this mileage. I
> didn't expect to attain the EPA numbers but 22 isn't even close.
What did you expect? 22 mpg with 2/3 city driving seems very
reasonable. My experience with recent vehicles has been that
the mileage will improve slowly as you break in the car,
leveling off somewhere between 5,000 and 15,000 miles. The
EPA estimate for your car was only 24 city. With this low an
estimate, I think 22 mpg is good. The EPA city driving cycle
is not very stressful and often gives "high" numbers.
Current Camry's are larger, heavier cars, with lots of power
absorbing "goodies." They are not going to be as fuel
efficient as older models.
Ed
Daniel - 07 Jun 2005 17:54 GMT
You're at roughly 22, sticker said 24.
I've found that by driving very smoothly, can pick up two mpg in city
driving.
When the car accumulates additional mileage, fuel economy is likely to
improve, so then, presumably, you'd be over 24 mpg with smooth
application of throttle and anticipating / coasting to stops.
May not be able to justify the cost, but full synthetic lubricants can
help also.
Also check accessory drive belt tension using factory specs and a belt
tension gauge if you can find anyone that's actually got one (found one
on eBay). Belt tension is usually off, sometimes by 20 - 30 lbs. or
more.
Also, obviously, check tire pressure with an accurate mechanical gauge,
regularly. I prefer the dial type, brass with bleed valve. Tires are
checked cold before the car is driven.
See:
http://www.getagauge.com/DialTireGauges.cfm
The $10 straight version should work just fine. Well worth the cost if
you use it regularly. IMHO keeping tire pressure perfect is one of the
simplest and quickest performance enhancements available.
WestVirginiaGuy - 24 Jun 2005 22:49 GMT
I also have observed a very large difference between the actual mileage
calculated at fill-up and the display average MPG. On a trip on the
Ohio Turnpike at about 72 MPH for several hours my computed maileage
was 30 MPG and the display showed 39.9 MPG (Avg). I am disappointed in
the 30 MPG results as well. I have computed and compared at least three
times on long trips and the display AVG MPG is always 8-10 MPG higher.
I also observe the speedometer shows about 2 MPH higher than my Garmin
GPS measures.
I doubt anybody in this thread has seen accurate display but then this
is for people with problems. Will Toyota have an answer for this?
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WestVirginiaGuy - 24 Jun 2005 22:51 GMT
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I also have observed a very large difference between the actual mileage
calculated at fill-up and the display average MPG. On a trip on the Ohio
Turnpike at about 72 MPH for several hours my computed maileage was 30
MPG and the display showed 39.9 MPG (Avg). I am disappointed in the 30
MPG results as well. I have computed and compared at least three times
on long trips and the display AVG MPG is always 8-10 MPG higher.
I also observe the speedometer shows about 2 MPH higher than my Garmin
GPS measures.
I doubt anybody in this thread has seen accurate display but then this
is for people with problems. Will Toyota have an answer for this.

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