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Car Forum / Toyota / Camry / September 2005

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Which is the best Camry year?

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tbober - 25 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
Well, let me qualify this a little better.  Which is the best year for
the Camry for the least problems (as far as complaints on the NHTSA
website) AND owner satisfaction?

I currently own a 2005 Camry SE and have discovered serious problems
that others have also complained about to the NHTSA.  The vehicle may
have to go back to Toyota.  In any case, I still want a Camry because
I love it and don’t care how old or used it is.  

ALL comments are appreciated.
Fourmiler - 25 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
> Well, let me qualify this a little better.  Which is the best
> year for the Camry for the least problems (as far as
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>
> ALL comments are appreciated.

What exactly have your problems been? I own a 05 SE with a manual
trans, and I haven’t had any issues. Am I missing something?
tbober - 25 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
> What exactly have your problems been? I own a 05 SE with a
> manual trans, and I haven't had any issues. Am I missing
> something?

Similar to those at
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsearch.cfm
for the model.
Fourmiler - 25 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
> Similar to those at
> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsearch.cfm
>  for the model.

Seems to be a list, which ones are you having troubles with exactly?
Fourmiler - 25 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
> Seems to be a list, which ones are you having troubles with
> exactly?

Ok, I read over most of the 77 complaints I found. Be very happy you
don’t own a GM. My last Chev had most of those problems and more!!!
Most of the ones I read can be chalked down to as people who just
don’t know any better. It does seem that there is a problem with the
"fly by wire", but then again most manufactors seem to be having it
also. Its new technology for gas engines, so I think they need to work
the bugs out.
justinm930 - 25 Sep 2005 23:19 GMT
91 camry.  156,000 miles on it and I'm getting 41 mpg with the 4cyl manual
trans.  Its quite inside, rides like a new car, and has been problem free
for me.  Just change the oil and add gas- I'd buy a 91 before an 05
because, and I hate to say it, my 91 is more japanese(actually 100%
japanese) then an 05.  A new camry wears the "toyota america" brand made
in america, I think alabama or oklahoma.

The fellow who mentioned GM knows exactly what happens when americans
build cars.

Any time you add some americana flavor to a perfectly good japanese
design, its destined for failure, hence all the problems with the newer
toyota's in generel
Daniel - 26 Sep 2005 17:12 GMT
Opinions will differ, but I would choose 1994 - 1996 four cylinder.

Later years may have improved (side) impact safety, but don't believe
you will find a higher percentage of overall owner satisfaction. Seemed
that everyone I spoke to was extremely pleased with their car,
including my mechanic whose daughter who came off a freeway embankment,
rolled the car, and walked away unharmed (he credited the air bag).
By now there are maintenance issues though, oil seals, etc., but you
said you didn't care about the age. If you could provide the labor, the
cost of the seals themselves is minimal.

Your '05 has the variable valve timing for more power.

Personally, I would also find the '94 - 96 Japan manufacture with the
"J" as the first letter in the VIN.

'94 was the first year of dual front air bags and CFC free 134a A/C
refrigerant

These (and the prior generation with the smaller engine size) are the
Camrys that people loved, "best car they've ever owned", never break
down,  type comments that built the reputation of Camry in this country.
Daniel - 28 Sep 2005 17:42 GMT
Me thinks you worry too much.
How about enjoying the 2005 SE?
I'm sure there's a ready resale market if you think you can find
something better.
Sounds like you're more of a Volvo kind of guy - just bring your
checkbook when you visit the mechanic.
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I remember when Consumer Reports reviewed my Cadillac. They listed all
sorts of complaints and problems - of which I had experienced none.
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Just do your own research, model by model on NHTSA's web site if that's
what floats your boat then report back after a few years to see if
you're pleased with the selection.
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As a home mechanic doing all my own mechanical work, I look at the
design and engineering aspects - and from my own observations, continue
to be impressed by the quality of the Toyota overall.
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Toyota Motor Company is the second largest automaker in the world,
profitable and well managed. I'd be surprised to discover their
worldwide increasing market share is built on dangerous or poor quality
"problematic" products.
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In my admittedly limited understanding, NHTSA primarily focuses on
crashworthiness - so as regulations are promulgated, the later model
years should have higher levels of compliance. Your 2005 should be
higher on their list than earlier years.
~~~~~~~~~
My recommendation? Learn, practice and perfect The Smith System of
defensive driving, "the closest thing to an accident free guarantee."
Decades ago, Harold Smith studied long distance professional accident
free drivers and isolated and taught the characteristics that made them
exceptional. The principles are still valid today and well worth
studying.
~~~
As always, just my opinion, you're free to differ.
Luc Kumps - 28 Sep 2005 18:28 GMT
> Just do your own research, model by model on NHTSA's web site if
> that's what floats your boat then report back after a few years to
> see if you're pleased with the selection.

Actually, I searched for the "safety recalls" of the Camry '94. I think the
result is quite funny...
It's almost a Laurel&Hardy movie scene (with Laurel handing over the
steering wheel to Hardy) :-)))

Luc K
 
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