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Car Forum / Toyota / Camry / February 2006

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Brake Adjustment

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Beth - 25 Feb 2006 13:43 GMT
Hi,  I'm new here and was wondering if anyone knows if something is
wrong.  I took my 1998 Camry in for brake adjustment to a Toyota
Dealer.  This was Monday that I took it to the dealer.  The parking
brake lever is wobbly when I move it from left to right with my hand.
Should the parking brake lever be loose like that?  I never noticed it
before as being loose.   Also, I have to pull it up way too high and
there's only one click for the parking brake to stay.  It was not like
that when I brought it into the dealer Monday.  They must of done
something to it to cause it to be loose and high with only one click
for it to lock.  I'm wondering, do I have anything to be concerned
about?

Also another question, is it necessary to use the parking brake at all
since I have an automatic?

Thanks for any input to my question?

Beth
m Ransley - 25 Feb 2006 14:31 GMT
Well they messed it up, is it something to worry about, well it should
not be loose as it was not before but it probably works, take it back.
Beth - 25 Feb 2006 16:57 GMT
Thanks for your advice.  Definitely will take it back.
m Ransley - 25 Feb 2006 20:41 GMT
Tires rot from age, sun and Ozone, tread does not make them good. At 5
years I find tires too slippery in wet or snow to be safe regardless of
tread. If they are cracked they are probably crap and dangerous. If you
slip in wet or snow this is why. Tires oxidise get hard and slippery
when old, cracking proves this. I just junked tires that had 50000 miles
of tread left after I did a  180 in snow. You wont know you needed
good traction till its to late and you hit something. You knock might be
the CV joint, I would not worry mine has done that for 12 years. Also
brakes auto adjust, but not the parking brake.
Jason James - 25 Feb 2006 14:41 GMT
> Hi,  I'm new here and was wondering if anyone knows if something is
> wrong.  I took my 1998 Camry in for brake adjustment to a Toyota
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>
> Thanks for any input to my question?

It's not desirable to have to raise the parking-brake that high to get
sufficient braking to hold the car from moving, as it is using almost all of
the available lever action of the handle. They did something wrong, and I
would take the car back to them.

As to the apparent increase in sideways movement of the lever or handle,
this may just be indicative of too little brake action to stiffen the series
of linkages and cables or something else.

Ideally, you should achieve sufficient parking brake by raising the handle
about 4 or 5 inches, as measured at the button-end of the lever. In an
automatic car, the park-brake plays an important part in holding the
vehicle, especially on slopes. The transmission "Park" position will be
enough on flat ground, but on hills or sloping ground, I wouldn't be happy
relying on just that alone as the pawl can slip in some transmissions.

On steep hills, its good practice to not only use the park-brake, but to
point the front wheels into the kerb.

Take the car back and demand they check the park-brake out.

Jason
Beth - 25 Feb 2006 16:55 GMT
Thanks so very much for your input.  I will take the car back.  Glad I
found this group.
Beth - 25 Feb 2006 16:42 GMT
Hi,
Thanks for the responses you all gave.  I appreciate it very much.  I
will take it back.  They charged me $235.00 just to do an oil change,
brake adjustment, change transmission oil, rotate tires and change the
coolant.  I only have 23000 miles on this car but they said I needed
it.  Seems a bit too much since the labor for this was $170.00.  Wish I
knew a good mechanic because I'm hearing a thump sound when I back up
and accelerate first starting the car to go forward.  Could it be the
sway bushings or strut mounts are worn.  Also my tires are in real good
shape except that there's cracking of the rubber because they are old
but doesn't have a lot of miles on them.  I was thinking about having
them replaced also.  The dealer said it wasn't necessary and they are
ok.  I'm not wanting to get things replaced if it's not needed.  The
car is old but not old in "miles".  Maybe the other things are just
wearing down because of age.  I've been reading a lot about
troubleshooting my car.  The thump is really bothering me and Toyota
dealer doesn't seem to think it's anything to worry about.  But, I
don't want to pay them $70.00 just to diagnose the problem.

Anyway,  I'm sure glad I found this group and thanks again.

Beth

> Hi,  I'm new here and was wondering if anyone knows if something is
> wrong.  I took my 1998 Camry in for brake adjustment to a Toyota
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>
> Beth
Beth - 25 Feb 2006 16:42 GMT
Hi,
Thanks for the responses you all gave.  I appreciate it very much.  I
will take it back.  They charged me $235.00 just to do an oil change,
brake adjustment, change transmission oil, rotate tires and change the
coolant.  I only have 23000 miles on this car but they said I needed
it.  Seems a bit too much since the labor for this was $170.00.  Wish I
knew a good mechanic because I'm hearing a thump sound when I back up
and accelerate first starting the car to go forward.  Could it be the
sway bushings or strut mounts are worn.  Also my tires are in real good
shape except that there's cracking of the rubber because they are old
but doesn't have a lot of miles on them.  I was thinking about having
them replaced also.  The dealer said it wasn't necessary and they are
ok.  I'm not wanting to get things replaced if it's not needed.  The
car is old but not old in "miles".  Maybe the other things are just
wearing down because of age.  I've been reading a lot about
troubleshooting my car.  The thump is really bothering me and Toyota
dealer doesn't seem to think it's anything to worry about.  But, I
don't want to pay them $70.00 just to diagnose the problem.

Anyway,  I'm sure glad I found this group and thanks again.

Beth

> Hi,  I'm new here and was wondering if anyone knows if something is
> wrong.  I took my 1998 Camry in for brake adjustment to a Toyota
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Beth
Beth - 25 Feb 2006 16:42 GMT
Hi,
Thanks for the responses you all gave.  I appreciate it very much.  I
will take it back.  They charged me $235.00 just to do an oil change,
brake adjustment, change transmission oil, rotate tires and change the
coolant.  I only have 23000 miles on this car but they said I needed
it.  Seems a bit too much since the labor for this was $170.00.  Wish I
knew a good mechanic because I'm hearing a thump sound when I back up
and accelerate first starting the car to go forward.  Could it be the
sway bushings or strut mounts are worn.  Also my tires are in real good
shape except that there's cracking of the rubber because they are old
but doesn't have a lot of miles on them.  I was thinking about having
them replaced also.  The dealer said it wasn't necessary and they are
ok.  I'm not wanting to get things replaced if it's not needed.  The
car is old but not old in "miles".  Maybe the other things are just
wearing down because of age.  I've been reading a lot about
troubleshooting my car.  The thump is really bothering me and Toyota
dealer doesn't seem to think it's anything to worry about.  But, I
don't want to pay them $70.00 just to diagnose the problem.

Anyway,  I'm sure glad I found this group and thanks again.

Beth

> Hi,  I'm new here and was wondering if anyone knows if something is
> wrong.  I took my 1998 Camry in for brake adjustment to a Toyota
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Beth
Beth - 25 Feb 2006 16:42 GMT
Hi,
Thanks for the responses you all gave.  I appreciate it very much.  I
will take it back.  They charged me $235.00 just to do an oil change,
brake adjustment, change transmission oil, rotate tires and change the
coolant.  I only have 23000 miles on this car but they said I needed
it.  Seems a bit too much since the labor for this was $170.00.  Wish I
knew a good mechanic because I'm hearing a thump sound when I back up
and accelerate first starting the car to go forward.  Could it be the
sway bushings or strut mounts are worn.  Also my tires are in real good
shape except that there's cracking of the rubber because they are old
but doesn't have a lot of miles on them.  I was thinking about having
them replaced also.  The dealer said it wasn't necessary and they are
ok.  I'm not wanting to get things replaced if it's not needed.  The
car is old but not old in "miles".  Maybe the other things are just
wearing down because of age.  I've been reading a lot about
troubleshooting my car.  The thump is really bothering me and Toyota
dealer doesn't seem to think it's anything to worry about.  But, I
don't want to pay them $70.00 just to diagnose the problem.

Anyway,  I'm sure glad I found this group and thanks again.

Beth

> Hi,  I'm new here and was wondering if anyone knows if something is
> wrong.  I took my 1998 Camry in for brake adjustment to a Toyota
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Beth
Jason James - 26 Feb 2006 15:49 GMT
> Hi,
> Thanks for the responses you all gave.  I appreciate it very much.  I
> will take it back.  They charged me $235.00 just to do an oil change,
> brake adjustment, change transmission oil, rotate tires and change the
> coolant.  I only have 23000 miles on this car but they said I needed
> it.  Seems a bit too much since the labor for this was $170.00.

To do all those jobs at the current hours formulae (in Australia mechanics
can charge approx $50 or so an hour) that price maybe right. In reality
however, mechanical shops which are independant and not part of a dealer's
enterprise, charge less.

Wish I
> knew a good mechanic because I'm hearing a thump sound when I back up
> and accelerate first starting the car to go forward.

That's not normal for a car with so few miles on it, especially if it has
started after work has been done on the car. It's in the same category as
the park-brake,..only a little more urgent. Take it back and demonstrate the
noise to them.

 Could it be the
> sway bushings or strut mounts are worn.

Could be, but I would be looking at driveline movement as well and such
things as wheel-nuts etc. That sort of problem should be easy for them to
identify,..but if you have lost faith in them,..a good mechanic recommended
by friends, neigbours or work- colleiges who have pride in their work and
dont charge the earth is the way toi go.

 Also my tires are in real good
> shape except that there's cracking of the rubber because they are old
> but doesn't have a lot of miles on them.  I was thinking about having
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> dealer doesn't seem to think it's anything to worry about.  But, I
> don't want to pay them $70.00 just to diagnose the problem.

Surface cracking of old tires may well be nothing to worry about provided
the cracks are superficial and dont open-up revealing the underlying cords.
Keep an eye on the them from time to time to ensure the cracks are really
just on the surface.

As I said, if the thump is new, tell the people who worked on the car last.
Otherwise it maybe some driveline slop or transmission bands with too much
clearance, or something in the engine stabilising area, or the suspension
etc. Check the wheel nuts (or lugs) are tight with your wheel-nut spanner.
If it is a new sound,..dont ignore it.

   Jason

> Anyway,  I'm sure glad I found this group and thanks again.
>
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> >
> > Beth
Beth - 26 Feb 2006 16:35 GMT
Hi Jason,

Thanks for you reply...

The thump...(more like a clunck) has been there for quite some time.  I
don't think it should be there with that low of miles anyway.  What I
plan to do is take it to a mechanic that someone else trusts because I
do not trust these folks.  I took my car in a year ago for them to
rotate my tires and they did not do it....so I took it back and told
them they didn't rotate my tires and all they did was appoligize to me
for not doing it.  I'm just wondering if they did all this other work
that I was supposed to have done this time when they charged me
$235.00.  I suppose I'll never know.

Beth
Jason James - 28 Feb 2006 02:16 GMT
> Hi Jason,
>
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>
> Beth

The main chunk of that service charge was the transmission service. If they
actually did do the service the ATF dip-stick should be showing bright
cherry-red oil. Automatic transmissions do wear as time goes on. Typically,
the oil starts to lose its cherry colour as little bits of band and clutch
material start to shed into the oil. In badly under-serviced transmissions,
I've seen the oil actually turn grey.

The trouble with some dealership workshops is that the owner often comes
from a car-sales background, not a mechanical background, and thus sees the
workshop as another lucrative source of income. This is not to say they will
rip people off, but they "stick by the rules" charging the full price for
every little job. You would think once someone buys a new car from them,
that they'd value that, and would not charge the maximum for subsequent
servicing and repair work,..but often this is not the case.

On the otherhand private mechanical workshops are owned by a mechanic who
has a closer relationship with his customer and their need for good old
fashioned service which brings with it, loyalty, both from the shop-owner
and the customer.

One clue to find a good mechanic is to find-out from a few taxi or cab
owners, who does their repair-work. Taxi-owners are shrewd businessman and
will not entertain shonky workshops.

Jason
m Ransley - 28 Feb 2006 13:20 GMT
I had my car at Midas for a brake flush, I saw him open one bleed valve
and left, I took it to a friend with a lift for other work and found out
Midas did only ONE wheel as all others were rusted shut. Look at a
mechanics lot, if it is packed and he is to busy to work on your car the
bet is he is honest. Seeing work done is best.
 
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