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Car Forum / Toyota / Camry / October 2007

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Another 1993 Camry Engine/Starter/Distributor/Ignition problem

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CatsCam - 10 Sep 2007 02:26 GMT
Hello,

I have been reading through all of the posts and I pray that my problem
will be resolved through the wonderful advice that I have read.   But just
in case, I thought that I would throw my situation out there and see what
comes back.

I have just replaced my alternator and battery to my car and I was able to
drive it after YEARS of neglect (It has been sitting in my driveway unmoved
for over 2 years).   A "friend" suggested that I purchase some Lucas Fuel
Injection cleaner so that I could clean out the fuel line since the car
had been sitting for so long.  I didn't think too much of it and I trusted
him to "put the cleaner in directly through the fuel line so that it would
do a much better job at cleaning the fuel line instead of letting it go
through the gas tank".  He insisted that this was the method that he and
the "boys" used when he worked in an auto shop.  

I stupidly let him do this and after a few minutes, I noticed all of this
white smoke coming out of my exhaust and he said that it was normal.  He
revved the engine once and then I began to hear noices coming from the
exhaust which sounded like someone was making popcorn.  Well needless to
say, after another couple of minutes, the car died!   The engine quit and
when cranked, the car did turn-over, but it sounded really weak and it cut
off.  This happened a few more times and he put the car in drive to "get
the cleaner moving" and the car just kept cutting off.  

Since the last shut off, it hasn't cranked again!  That was about a month
ago.  I have had the ignition changed -- nothing!   The car will not spark
when cranked.  The car makes a pitiful sound as if it wants to start, but
the spark is not there.  

The spark plugs have been checked and they do need to be replaced, but
they are not the problem.  The kicker to all of this is the fool didn't
put the injection cleaner into the fuel line - it was the power brake
booster!   The day when all of this occured, I noticed that my breaks,
even the emergency brake, weren't working.  I'm hoping that the cleaner
has dried out and that the brakes will be fine once I can get the car
started, but I find it very odd that the car shut down after he put that
solution in the brake booster.

I was looking forward to putting my car back on the road --  it only has
132k miles on it.  My cousin, who works on cars, has thought that the
distributor may need to be replaced and that's the cause for the lack of
spark.

Any thoughts on what damage could have been done at the hands of this
idiot?   (Well I'm the bigger idiot because I trusted him to do it!)  Any
help that anyone can offer would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!  

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Yunus Dere - 18 Sep 2007 11:37 GMT
> Hello,
>
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Neither your friend nor you are an idiot.. That's how it is done, you
pour the fuel injector cleaner into the gas tank. However, the cleaner
should be poured into a full gas tank.. The problem you had may have
been caused due to high ratio of the cleaner if your tank was not full
or contained small amount of gas. Have you tried filling your tank and
waiting some.. Then try to start engine..
RACEGUY - 16 Oct 2007 17:00 GMT
YIKES and yikes!! God knows what this treatment did to your very
sophisticated engine and emmissions system. This is like diagnosing cancer
over the phone.

The extreme cleaning properties of the injector cleaner could potentially
"wash down" the oil contact between cylinder walls and piston rings. This is
common in cars that have been "flooded". In this case, removing a couple of
spark plugs and sending a few drops of motor oil into the top end might get
you enough compression to make the motor something more than a leaky air
pump.

Another consideration is your catalytic convertor which is not meant to deal
with some of the combustion by-products of whatever it was that the boys fed
your engine. Injector cleaners are best used in a full fuel tank before a
long highway trip. You may have a complete exhaust system blockage caused by
trying to feed your "CAT" a huge hairball.

God love the backyard mechanics, but this is 2007. So much of this is beyond
their abilities and understanding.

GOOD LUCK!
> > Hello,
> >
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> or contained small amount of gas. Have you tried filling your tank and
> waiting some.. Then try to start engine..
Daniel - 16 Oct 2007 17:45 GMT
I thought that I would throw my situation out there and see what
> comes back.
==
This posting is a collection of misinformation.
My first and best suggestion is to "bite the bullet" check into a
couple of Toyota dealer service departments or knowledgeable
independent mechanics specializing in Toyota and take the car in for
diagnosis and repair. Be sure to insist that no work is done without
prior authorization on the charges.
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Here's why I say misinformation:
Sounds like your first friend was thinking of "Seafoam" engine cleaner
which is poured slowly into the intake or into a vacuum line (such as
the vacuum line at the power brake booster) to clean combustion
chambers of carbon accumulation. Originally developed for outboard
motors, many have claimed it does work, though I have never used it
personally. The engine will die as the fluid is introduced to the
system, you let it set for five minutes, then restart, ignore the
billowing clouds of smoke, and drive the car.
Lucas fuel system treatment is a light oil with detergents designed to
be added to the fuel tank, not the intake system. If your friend
somehow managed to mistakenly pour a quart of the Lucas product into
the brake booster that could conceivably cause some sort of hydrolock
where the fluid prevents drawing a vacuum so the brake booster can
operate properly. Even without a brake booster if you press really,
really hard on the brake pedal the brakes should work in manual mode.
Also there should be no effect on the parking brake which is cable
actuated.
I have a very high distrust of aftermarket alternators. It is common
for them to fail and fail often. Usually, the original Denso units
only require brush replacement to keep on going. Toyota remanufactured
alternators are also excellent, but if you did not install one of
these it is possible the new alternator is contributing to your
problems. I see no evidence to suggest the distributor suddenly
failed. The ignition coil inside the distributor cap could be checked
though it doesn't seem indicated by your description.
If somehow your friend got Lucas fuel treatment full strength into the
engine cylinders, it seems entirely likely to me that the spark plugs
would be oil fouled and refuse to fire, hence, engine no start. If the
plugs looked bad as you say, I would definitely replace them.
I'm not sure I'd trust any other "friends" to work on your car, and it
seems your mechanical understanding is limited, hence the suggestion
to tow the car to a mechanic for repairs. If you find a good mechanic,
the repairs may be simple. If they have good diagnostic equipment a no
start condition should not be difficult to isolate and hopefully the
repair cost can be reasonable even including the towing bill.
 
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