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Car Forum / Toyota / Camry / August 2008Camry toe-in misalignment on rear wheel - how critical is it?
I went to my local toyota dealership for the wheel alignment today... When I got back home and check the computer printout I've got with the invoice and I've noticed the right rear wheel toe was out of specs. Instead of being close to the middle between min 0.10 degree and max 0.30 degree I got 0.08 Surprisingly, the value for "before" is 0.11, which is in specs - barely, but in specs. Left rear is in spec with 0.22, making total toe-in also in specs, being 0.30 (within allowed 0.40 +/- 0.20 range for total toe-in for rear). Looks like after the alignment, rear wheels got a little bit worse than they were before the alignment... How critical is it? Is is worth coming back to them and discussing this issue? Or this small difference would you considered negligible for the tire wear or the car handling? Thanks, Pszemol. > I went to my local toyota dealership for the wheel alignment today... > When I got back home and check the computer printout I've got with the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks, > Pszemol. If I had paid for a four wheel alignment (I rarely bother with them) I would not have accepted paying to put the rear wheels out of alignment. Your post just reinforces my position on having it done! >> I went to my local toyota dealership for the wheel alignment today... >> When I got back home and check the computer printout I've got with the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > would not have accepted paying to put the rear wheels out of alignment. > Your post just reinforces my position on having it done! I had a specific reason to do rear aligment - I was replacing suspension parts around the rear wheels. Normally I would not bother. And of course you are right: I paid for it, I want it to get it done, but going back there, wait in line and all this hassle might not be worth it if the difference from the ideal value is not serious. So this is my question about... > >> How critical is it? Is is worth coming back to them and discussing this > >> issue? == Just had a similar situation. Printout showed wrong year and wheel size. Rather than accepting, pointed out to the service writer and they re did the alignment without additional cost. Additional adjustments were required. Alignment on Camrys is very stable. Worth getting it right the first time. The primary result is tire wear. >> >> How critical is it? Is is worth coming back to them and discussing >> >> this [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > time. > The primary result is tire wear. I got back, they took my car in and re-do the rear wheels. Now, right rear wheel is still not in the middle of the desired range, but it is within specs (0.13 inside of the 0.10-0.30 allowance). Looking at the other numbers, and front wheels, comparing the new printout to the old one I see variations in numbers reaching 2-3 points on the last significant digit, so I guess we have a classical example of a tool with a resolution greater than the usefull measurement precision and acuracy. I guess in this case, printouts showing sometimes 0.08, sometimes 0.10 or 0.13 would mean that nothing really has changed... The guy at the service counter even suggested himself the measurement can be affected by the guy leaning on the car one way or the other, so you migh want to ask the obvious: why the hell is he then touching the car at all during the measureents??? In conclusion, it was probably not worth the trouble of going back... But I have the paper with all "greens" to show for my 13-years-old camry with 246k miles on the odometer and this is what matters, right? ;-))) >>> >> How critical is it? Is is worth coming back to them and discussing >>> >> this [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > camry with 246k miles on the odometer and this is what matters, right? > ;-))) The amount of gas in the tank can also affect alignment and may be specified in factory manual. Ignored by all of course. > I went to my local toyota dealership for the wheel alignment today... When I > got back home and check the computer printout I've got with the invoice and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks, > Pszemol. Hey Pszemol, I had a similar concern with my 2006 Toyota Camry and I subscribed to ALLDATAdiy.com and it has been very useful. I am handy and like to do things myself and this subscription gives me diagnosis, repair, TBSs, recalls and labor times. I hope you find it useful - it's pretty cheap considering the information comes directly from the manufacturer. Check it out - I copied the link below for you. http://traffic.alldatadiy.com/cgi-bin/redir?pd_link=i1-a44690-o4010-c66365 Andy Deil > Hey Pszemol, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Andy Deil Canned response from a bot calculated to be alldatadiy.com advertisement? :-) Thanks "Andy" :-) That sounds like lousy workmanship to me. I've come to the realization that alignment work, like AC service, is best left to the specialists. Dealer service, as you found out, is no guarantee for quality. I found a local alignment shop with Hunter alignment machine. These need regular calibrations. I would think most car dealers use the excellent Hunter as well. So lousy workmanship is probably the only explanation. My view is, if they can't produce all green afterwards, they suck. > I got back, they took my car in and re-do the rear wheels. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > But I have the paper with all "greens" to show for my 13-years-old > camry with 246k miles on the odometer and this is what matters, right? ;-))) |
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