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Car Forum / Toyota / Prius / November 2009

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Cathy - 05 Nov 2009 02:18 GMT
I've posted here in the past, although rarely.

Have wanted a Prius since the '04 came out; drove 100 miles to see (other
than in pics) & test drive one back then.  (In fact, IIRC, someone here read
one of my posts & directed me to the upstate NY dealership that actually had
one on their lot - it was being used as a rental at the point.)  But no
matter how many times I did the math, was ~$5K difference over a 6 yr.
ownership between a low # pkg. '04 Prius & a virtually fully loaded Corolla
LE.  Couldn't justify that amt. of money (other than "want"!), so wound up
buying my 4th Corolla in a row. Perfectly good car, smart buy, etc., but by
the 4th one... pretty boring. ;-)  As it turned out, the Prius has held its
value - for a car - really well, so the difference in cost may've been more
like $1 - 2K , but never predicted that/thought to factor that in at the
time.

Anyway... over 5 years went by & when the 2010 Prius came out - and read the
reviews, decided it was about time to treat myself.  ;-)  Ordered one ( a
lowly II, but it's still an upgrade from  my Corolla LE) at the end of Aug.
& have now had it for 3 weeks; love it.  Besides the fact that I have liked
the exterior & dash designs since the '04 came out, that it feels extra
solid, that it is relatively spacious, that it has airbags out the wazoo,
etc., today - in around-town driving - got 77.6 MPG at one point! :-)

I don't miss the moonroof  I had on the last 2 Corollas - although I may a
bit come next spring/summer.  However... what I really *do* miss are:
daytime running lights & most esp. auto-on full headlights, and... why is
there no place to put one's quarters in the Prius?!?!   I've solved the
headlight problem by leaving them on all of the time, since they're
auto-off.  But have yet to find a place for car wash quarters...

Cathy
Al Falfa - 05 Nov 2009 03:06 GMT
But have yet to find a place for car wash quarters...

Congratulations!  Hope you enjoy it.  Find a cup that fits the pop bottle
holder (or whatever it is) on the inside of the front door panel.  Put your
quarters in the cup.
Cathy - 05 Nov 2009 03:59 GMT
> But have yet to find a place for car wash quarters...
>>
> Congratulations!  Hope you enjoy it.  Find a cup that fits the pop bottle
> holder (or whatever it is) on the inside of the front door panel.  Put
> your quarters in the cup.

Yeah, supposedly those are extra bottle holders.  Thanks - good idea.  I
presently have some other stuff in there, but this would work

Cathy
Peter Granzeau - 07 Nov 2009 20:05 GMT
>> But have yet to find a place for car wash quarters...
>>>
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>Yeah, supposedly those are extra bottle holders.  Thanks - good idea.  I
>presently have some other stuff in there, but this would work

In the '04 through '09, they won't handle a 20 oz bottle, the kind you
usually get nowadays from dispensers, so are mostly useless.  They seem
to be intended to hold a 12 oz can or bottle, nothing larger.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 06 Nov 2009 02:32 GMT
> But no
> matter how many times I did the math, was ~$5K difference over a 6 yr.
> ownership between a low # pkg. '04 Prius & a virtually fully loaded Corolla
> LE.  Couldn't justify that amt. of money (other than "want"!), so wound up
> buying my 4th Corolla in a row.

but, the Prius is a larger car, with different amenities.

You can't justify buying an Accord over a Civic based on price alone,
but if you want the size and amenities, you get what you want/need.

I wish the world would quit seeing the Prius on solely a gas mileage
basis, and start looking at it as a car in the same way they look at
other cars.  Compare it on that basis, and see what you think.

I rented a Corolla when my Prius was in the shop, and while it's a nice
car, it's enough smaller that I wouldn't have one--never mind that it's
cheaper to buy.

If "cheaper to buy" is your criteria for everything in your life, I'd
love to see your house.  Oh, that's NOT your criteria for everything in
your life?

Really.
Al Falfa - 06 Nov 2009 02:59 GMT
>> But no
>> matter how many times I did the math, was ~$5K difference over a 6 yr.
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>
> Really.

Go back and read her message again.  You missed the point entirely.
Cathy - 06 Nov 2009 03:29 GMT
>> But no
>> matter how many times I did the math, was ~$5K difference over a 6 yr.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> but, the Prius is a larger car, with different amenities.

Yes, it is.  But the Corolla fit my needs fine.

> You can't justify buying an Accord over a Civic based on price alone,
> but if you want the size and amenities, you get what you want/need.

I didn't *need* a Prius.  I wanted one.  Not enough of a reason for me to
spend an extra $5K at that point in time. As to amenities, the Corolla was
an LE with added options, so wasn't exactly a bare bones deal.

> I wish the world would quit seeing the Prius on solely a gas mileage
> basis, and start looking at it as a car in the same way they look at
> other cars.  Compare it on that basis, and see what you think.

What I saw was that I liked the Prius more than the Corolla, but am not
rolling in money, & the Corolla fit my needs.

> I rented a Corolla when my Prius was in the shop, and while it's a nice
> car, it's enough smaller that I wouldn't have one--never mind that it's
> cheaper to buy.

I don't *need* a car that's larger than a Corolla.

> If "cheaper to buy" is your criteria for everything in your life,

Don't get yourself in a frazzle: my criteria is : "Is it the right price for
what I need & want?"  Something can be less expensive, yet not worth buying
instead of the pricier deal.  Hmmm... thought that was readily apparent via
my choice of the Prius over the Insight.

I'd
> love to see your house.  Oh, that's NOT your criteria for everything in
> your life?

It's a lovely house; it truly is - no need to worry yourself on that count,
either.  Got this house for a good price - a very good price. And one which
was affordable. (The mortgage has been paid off - vs. being in the mess so
many people have found themselves in.)  It was built in 1920 & has a lot of
charm, HW floors throughout - incl. the kitchen, French doors, wood-burning
fireplace, breakfast nook, plaster & lath construction, etc.  The same
amenities in a new house would cost the earth & be completely out of budget.

I made the right choices for *my* circumstances.

> Really.

Yeah, really.

A simple "Congrats" would've been nice...

Cathy
Cathy - 06 Nov 2009 03:35 GMT
Oops - sorry! - thought I'd posted the bit about comparing the Prius with
the Hionda Insight, but didn't here (did in another Toyota ng).  So...

I did take some looks at the '10 Honda Insight, but IMO it just didn't
measure up.  Mileage isn't as good, it's smaller, not as much power, and I
heartily dislike the design of the dash (all knobly instead of sleek).  The
price is better, & the exterior is cute (well, gee, I wonder why?! <g>), but
overall it falls short of the Prius, AFAIC.

Cathy

>>> But no
>>> matter how many times I did the math, was ~$5K difference over a 6 yr.
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>
> Cathy
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 06 Nov 2009 04:40 GMT
> I made the right choices for *my* circumstances.

But you compared the cars based on things that didn't matter.
Cathy - 06 Nov 2009 04:51 GMT
>> I made the right choices for *my* circumstances.
>
> But you compared the cars based on things that didn't matter.

Huh?  Yes, they mattered - to me.

Cathy
Neo - 06 Nov 2009 05:34 GMT
> I've posted here in the past, although rarely.
>
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> solid, that it is relatively spacious, that it has airbags out the wazoo,
> etc., today - in around-town driving - got 77.6 MPG at one point! :-)

Reports from CleanMpg.com and Consumer Reports
say that the Prius - as with most  other vehicles with
an  instantaneous Fuel Efficiency (iFE) Display
tends to overestimate the MPG by 2 to 4 Miles.

> I don't miss the moonroof  I had on the last 2 Corollas - although I may a
> bit come next spring/summer.  However... what I really *do* miss are:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Cathy
Cathy - 06 Nov 2009 16:53 GMT
On Nov 4, 9:18 pm, "Cathy" <c...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I've posted here in the past, although rarely.
<snipped>
> Anyway... over 5 years went by & when the 2010 Prius came out - and read
> the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> solid, that it is relatively spacious, that it has airbags out the wazoo,
> etc., today - in around-town driving - got 77.6 MPG at one point! :-)

Reports from CleanMpg.com and Consumer Reports
say that the Prius - as with most  other vehicles with
an  instantaneous Fuel Efficiency (iFE) Display
tends to overestimate the MPG by 2 to 4 Miles.
=================
Okay, then it could've been 73.6 - 75.6.  I think I can deal with that.  ;-)

Cathy

> I don't miss the moonroof I had on the last 2 Corollas - although I may a
> bit come next spring/summer. However... what I really *do* miss are:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Cathy
 
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